[Closed] Gender is definitely the most important thing for me .

That's your choice, and as long as you accept others are free to make theirs then all is good

In simplistic terms, if you are talking relationships, partners, love then gender really isn't the most important thing. If you are talking physical sex then for recreational sex, gender isn't necessarily important, but for procreation then I guess it really is.

It means that you aren't Miley Cyrus
And that gender is the most important thing for you (in a relationship)

Miley is whatever will be slightly controversial and get her the most publicity. I would say she is probably more of a serial attention seeker than pansexual. Celebrity status is all she has known in her life, so no matter how much publicity she gets, she'll always be trying to reinvented herself for more attention. Its her job.

No.

There that’s that answered.

Gender and sex have to match. Oh, and nice jugs.

Like the whole 'same sex marriage' argument, one person saying that they're pansexual does not suddenly make it mandatory for everyone else. You're perfectly at liberty to continue your heterosexual and passively homophobic existence just as you were before you read that article.

HTH.

Hey rene59, we're in the 21st century now.

Hey rene59, we’re in the 21st century now.

And yet... oh so modern Miley.. is married. Odd.

Just to be clear, I object to rene59's use of the word "jugs" in a post. That type of 70's attitude does not encourage women to post here and goodness knows we're in short enough supply on the Forum. So, rene59, sort yerself out and don't be a d!ck.

HTH

Cougar- are you saying specifically that the OP is homophobic, or that being heterosexual is passively homophobic?

The wording of the article is deliberately inflammatory- not clear if that was her intention or the veneer of the journalist. It describes her ‘modern relationship’ rather implying that if you do not feel the same as her you are somehow old fashion or out of date. There’s a sort of superiority to it.

Pansexual - are you actually pansexual if you have only had relationships with people identifying as a man or a woman or are you ‘just’ a bisexual in that case? It feels a little try hard.

I assume that pansexual includes all non-binary options.

Or it is something to do with screwing in the kitchen.

"Pansexual – are you actually pansexual if you have only had relationships with people identifying as a man or a woman or are you ‘just’ a bisexual in that case? "

Can you be a heterosexual if you've never had any relationships? What counts is the potential I reckon

I’m not sure I understand all of what she is saying
“the couple are "redefining" what it looks like for a "queer person" to be in a heterosexual relationship.” Isn’t that an oxymoron?

Just to be clear, I object to rene59’s use of the word “jugs” in a post. That type of 70’s attitude does not encourage women to post here and goodness knows we’re in short enough supply on the Forum. So, rene59, sort yerself out and don’t be a d!ck.

You are quite correct, and I apologise. I should have used the word breasts instead.

Surely she's in a pansexual relationship and her husband is in a heterosexual one (unless he's pan too?), otherwise it suggests a hierarchy. Not that I'm bothered - glad they're happy. Several of my 14 yr old's friends claim to be bisexual. Maybe time to get them up to speed and introduce the pan thing. Got to have our labels shipshape.
Oh, and well said Cinnamon_girl.

My understanding is that pansexuals find personalities attractive, regardless of sex, gender or orientation. I can see why some have to lower their standards on here though 😂
Well said Cinnamon-girl

Just to be clear, I object to rene59’s use of the word “jugs” in a post. That type of 70’s attitude does not encourage women to post here and goodness knows we’re in short enough supply on the Forum. So, rene59, sort yerself out and don’t be a d!ck.

+1 👏🏼

If you’re attracted to someone then you’re attracted to someone, gender and how that person identifies with theirs can be completely irrelevant.

Didn't we just used to use the term Bisexual?

vickypea

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“the couple are “redefining” what it looks like for a “queer person” to be in a heterosexual relationship.” Isn’t that an oxymoron?

No, why? Your sexuality isn't defined by the relationship you're currently in.

What I mean is, on the one hand she is saying that sexuality and gender aren’t important in a relationship but then makes a point of saying she is pansexual in a heterosexual relationship? If sexuality and gender don’t matter, why all this terminology and labelling?

Just to be clear, I have no problem with anyone’s choices and preferences. I just don’t see why people have to label everything if what they stand for is about no one being labelled. And that is an oxymoron to me.

They seem to be having difficulty keeping gender and sex in the correct use. You could be pan sexual and still prefer a gender. You could be pan gender and prefer a single sex.

Also in the spirit of inclusiveness should that be "sort yourself out and stop being a non-gender, non-sex specific reproductive part"?

imo, clear evidence that humankind in the "West" is at its zenith if gender identity is its most pressing concern.

Isn't she trisexual?

I just don’t see why people have to label everything

I don't get it either. Surely it would be better to just get on with whatever relationship suits you and chances are most people won't even care.

I think some people just label themselves in an attempt to be different and gain attention, like Miley!

Or just a person that is attracted to either sex? It seriously bores me to death all this over analyzing, re-categorization and self-defining. Its perfectly fine to like both sexes - we don't need all these stupid new definitions 🙂

#firstWorldProblem

vickypea

Member

What I mean is, on the one hand she is saying that sexuality and gender aren’t important in a relationship but then makes a point of saying she is pansexual in a heterosexual relationship? If sexuality and gender don’t matter, why all this terminology and labelling?

Because labelling and terminology is kind of essential when you explain stuff to people. It's not important what a tool's called when I'm using it but if I want to get another one I need to know the name.

But I think I kind of get what you're saying, sometimes definitions are about putting things into boxes. But done right they're about understanding what the boxes are.

I object* to someone being called a “dick”

Stop oppressing us with your phallocentric gender labels.

*not really. He is a dick

Isn't the real question: how long will the marriage last before one of them is attracted to another person and files for divorce. #prenup

Panthersexual? 🙂

Panthersexual?

Yes. Extremely.😉

Or just a person that is attracted to either sex? It seriously bores me to death all this over analyzing, re-categorization and self-defining. Its perfectly fine to like both sexes – we don’t need all these stupid new definitions

How very 2017.

Or just a person that is attracted to either sex? It seriously bores me to death all this over analyzing, re-categorization and self-defining. Its perfectly fine to like both sexes – we don’t need all these stupid new definitions

How very 2017.

😀

This thread is a rather disappointing read IMO.

I suppose the only frame of reference anyone ever really has is their own feelings and attractions and perhaps you could just use that as the basis to try and relate to others (typically referred to as empathy).

Anyway I'm a relatively straight forward heterosexual male, living in a world that up until recently seemed to value heterosexuality above all other things. So I could try to pick fault with and mock every other variation on gender or sexual orientation that doesn't align directly with my own preference or experiences, or I could choose to accept that there is more than one way to be happy, and that we live in a world where being more accepting of difference is actually starting to become more the norm...

It's entirely up to the individual of course, but if you feel the need to mock others for their gender/sexual preference (or indeed a lack thereof) perhaps it says more about you than them...

Don't think it matters to be honest.

CookAA: Well said.

ookeaa

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This thread is a rather disappointing read IMO.
...
It’s entirely up to the individual of course, but if you feel the need to mock others for their gender/sexual preference (or indeed a lack thereof) perhaps it says more about you than them…

Confused.
Have you read the thread? With the exception of a mis-placed attempt at schoolboy humour I can't see any mocking?

Life is so short,

Gay/pansexual/bi/unsure it's all ok.

It's all ok in my books.xx

Their is a saying 'labels are for teddy bear's

I am straight but with no feeling of identity. (Blpd/Bipolar)

Don't beat yourself up it's ok to be different, (it's ok)

Guess your ruminating about your gender??

Your your own person before or after surgery. - the same person.

My recommendation is to just to be yourself. Xx

Just looks like attention seeking revolving around something topical to me. I'm not sure why Miley and Maggie got married to men, seems incompatible with their other expressed ideas.

As for

"It's the benefit of being able to have that open communication to say yes, all bodies are beautiful," she says.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that so I'm clearly a failure because I've seen some ugly examples of all genders.

People in the limelight have being talking esoteric intellectualised nonsense to make headlines for as long as I've been reading.

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s not okay.
It’s all okay by me, I just don’t agree with all this labelling, I don’t think it’s helpful. Gender seems to matter a lot but also not matter at the same time.

I’ve never been a “typical” woman, to the point where I even wondered if there was something wrong with me because I didn’t fit the stereotype that a lot of people seem to think I should meet. That’s all because of labelling and people having fixed ideas.

In the real world people love conforming to stereotypes. It's comforting, safe, requires little effort and no imagination. I used play on it when teaching, sometimes a risky activity. Some people are self aware, others less so and I can only assume subconsciously conform to their sterotype.

The choice of car is where many people consciously reinforce their self-imposed conformity to a stereotype, whatever their gender or chosen gender.

And yes, it allows other people to stick labels on them, welcome or otherwise.

That’s all because of labelling and people having fixed ideas.

Which run deep and almost unconscious. Witness the comment earlier in the thread on gender about schoolboy humour. As if males are the only ones who do, it are supposed to, engage in purile or scatalogical jokes