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sort yerself out and don’t be a d!ck.
Please tell me you were being ironic rather than hypocritical. I’m not condoning the use of the word ‘nice jugs’; even if heterosexual and bisexual men are always going to be thinking that, some things are best left unsaid.
even if heterosexual and bisexual men are always going to be thinking that,
You reckon.
“the couple are “redefining” what it looks like for a “queer person” to be in a heterosexual relationship.” Isn’t that an oxymoron?
No, as said you can be bi/pan and in what appears to be a heterosexual relationship. Sadly up until now those people were generally considered either confused or their past relationships nullified by the fact. See bi erasure. It is perfectly possible to be bi/pan in a heterosexual relationship and still be attracted to folk other than the opposite sex.
I’m not sure why Miley and Maggie got married to men, seems incompatible with their other expressed ideas.
I don't follow celebrity gossip as closely as you obviously do but as I explained above its perfectly compatible.
I find the term 'demisexual' interesting (A demisexual is a person who does not experience sexual attraction unless they form a strong emotional connection with someone. It's more commonly seen in but by no means confined to romantic relationships.) I've not met anyone that has identified as such but they are out there. I've met some asexual people.
People are fascinating.
what does A sexual mean?
asexual? People who are attracted to others but have no sexual urges. So you love someone but don't really want to jump on their bones.
thanks. You learn something every day. Sounds strange but each to their own.
The ultimate would be the asexual, agender, aromantic individual.
Neither identifies as a man nor a woman, no interest in sex, no romantic feelings.
My mate Neil maintains that he's trisexual, as he'll try anything 😀
Cougar- are you saying specifically that the OP is homophobic, or that being heterosexual is passively homophobic?
I'm suggesting that starting a thread merely to comment on someone else's sexuality speaks more about the person starting the thread than it does about those in the article. It's the sort of "issue" I'd have expected to have stopped being a talking point about thirty years ago.
I’ve got another mate, who bats for both teams, and thinks being exclusively straight or gay is weird because you’re volountarily reducing the amount of people you can have sex with by 50% 😂
I have to say that I couldn’t give a monkeys about anybody’s sexuality, unless you really really fancy them, of course, then it’s potentially an issue
Squirrelking- in my later post I explained a bit better what I meant- that is, she says sexuality and gender mean very little in relationships so why all the grand announcements to the media and all this labelling?
To give an example of my I hate labels: it is possible to be a woman and not be into pink, make up, high heels and all the other stuff I was told for decades that I “should” like, and was “accused” by numerous people of being “a bloke”. Because a lot of people have stereotypical ideas of what a woman is, and if you don’t match their definition they try to label you as something else.
**** labels!!
You reckon
How many men do you know, who are attracted to women but ambivalent about breasts?
Squirrelking- in my later post I explained a bit better what I meant- that is, she says sexuality and gender mean very little in relationships so why all the grand announcements to the media and all this labelling?
Probably because people will listen to her, and if somebody can look at her and listen & relate and feel "normal" it may help them navigate what's going on in their life.
How many men do you know, who are attracted to women but ambivalent about breasts?
Well I don't know anyone who refers to them as objects usually used for serving liquids, I don't know any men who make their opinion known and personally I'm more:
you work it out.
Well I don’t know anyone who refers to them as objects usually used for serving liquids, I
I do. And as a city in Bristol. And other slang. At least one of whom presents as a woman. People, eh?
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Cougar- are you saying specifically that the OP is homophobic, or that being heterosexual is passively homophobic?
I’m suggesting that starting a thread merely to comment on someone else’s sexuality speaks more about the person starting the thread than it does about those in the article.
Only I am not commenting on her sexuality , I am saying that for me and the vast majority of people entering into into a sexual relationship gender is the most important consideration . Personality etc all play a part but if you go out to buy a blue car then you could possibly decide on a red car , you wouldn't buy a blue boat instead , and Miley Cyrus is wrong to suggest that people fall in love with people not gender . But if you are determined to be offended then crack on .
To be fair, the OP is commenting on something a celebrity has announced to the media and which is in the BBC’s Top Stories on the website.
Just been working with a 19 year old student nurse and showed her this thread.
She is genuinely of the opinion that gender is irrelevant when choosing a partner and reckons that well over half her female mates feel the same.
Personally, I have no issues with it.
Amazing how quickly things have changed in a couple of generations.
I really can't see why people are getting worked up about it.
Why would anyone care?
If it increases the sum total of human happiness, bring it on.
She is genuinely of the opinion that gender is irrelevant when choosing a partner and reckons that well over half her female mates feel the same.
So, they're bisexual, big whoop.
Although, i'll bet that girl and most of her friends will end up in 'regular' heterosexual relations after they leave university.
All these label are just attention seeking and scream 'look at me, I'm special'
It's a genuine shift in how people are thinking and how they behave.
Although, i’ll bet that girl and most of her friends will end up in ‘regular’ heterosexual relations after they leave university.
So what? At least they'll not feel guilt, whatever happens in the future.
All these label are just attention seeking and scream ‘look at me, I’m special’
She's not putting any kind of label on herself or anyone else.
Quite the opposite in fact.
So, they’re bisexual, big whoop.
They might be but that's isn't what she said. Sex and gender are different things.
Although, i’ll bet that girl and most of her friends will end up in ‘regular’ heterosexual relations after they leave university.
Again sex and gender not the same thing. Could still have a heterosexual relationship with same gender.
Gay/pansexual/bi/unsure it’s all ok.
It’s all ok in my books.xx
I think that I found some of your books under a hedge, once!
If I asked you to describe yourself, you'd use labels such as sex, nationality, beliefs, music... Labels help others to be able to identify with you and give you a sense of belonging. They become more important when you face prejudice because of something like your skin colour or sexual orientation, leaving you ostracised from the mainstream. If we then choose to dismiss these labels because we think it's attention seeking or whatever, we're also dismissing the difficulties they have in being accepted
Could still have a heterosexual relationship with same gender.
I’m still waking up, but eh? How does that work?
Could still have a heterosexual relationship with same gender.
I’m still waking up, but eh? How does that work?
No, wait I think I have it now. Confusing though.
I’d be more impressed by the shouting to the media if she said she was pansexual in a pansexual marriage. It’s great that people are speaking out against prejudice but this particular story does feel a little bit like attention seeking.
So labels are okay as long as the individual in question uses them, but when people refer to the said individual it's not okay?
If I asked you to describe yourself, you’d use labels such as sex, nationality, beliefs, music… Labels help others to be able to identify with you and give you a sense of belonging. They become more important when you face prejudice because of something like your skin colour or sexual orientation, leaving you ostracised from the mainstream. If we then choose to dismiss these labels because we think it’s attention seeking or whatever, we’re also dismissing the difficulties they have in being accepted
Personality etc all play a part but if you go out to buy a blue car then you could possibly decide on a red car , you wouldn’t buy a blue boat instead ,
If the headline had been "Miley Cyrus buys a blue boat" would you have started a thread on it?
and Miley Cyrus is wrong to suggest that people fall in love with people not gender .
In most cases perhaps, but not hers evidently.
But if you are determined to be offended then crack on .
Who said I was offended? I just think it's a bit pathetic, is all.
All these label are just attention seeking and scream ‘look at me, I’m special’
Far from it. A generation is coming through that are seeking to have all these lived experiences viewed and accepted as totally normal. That's the difference between them and previous generations like mine… the language of "understanding" and "tolerance" we use is old fashioned… it's now about "normal" and "irrelevant" and battling against those who want some people to be kept apart and viewed as different or special.
I guess the irony is you're only going to get absolute attention-whores celebrities like Miley discussing such issues, all the ones who have a more solid reputation rarely discuss their private lives.
I for one don't care much for the labels and descriptions, who you find attractive is who you find attractive. More power to those who find their 'one' whatever {insert label here} human they happen to be.
Have you read the thread? With the exception of a mis-placed attempt at schoolboy humour I can’t see any mocking?
However i'm expecting some of our less tolerant forum members to turn up at any moment. I have a fresh pot of coffee on.
I’d be more impressed by the shouting to the media if she said she was pansexual in a pansexual marriage. It’s great that people are speaking out against prejudice but this particular story does feel a little bit like attention seeking.
Go and read up on bi-erasure and then form an opinion. That is the reason why this is important.
Besides, it was a bloody interview, it's not like she held a press conference to say it. You (and the BBC) have picked one small bit out of what seems to be a rather lengthy interview and made a big deal out of it.
To give an example of my I hate labels: it is possible to be a woman and not be into pink, make up, high heels and all the other stuff I was told for decades that I “should” like, and was “accused” by numerous people of being “a bloke”. Because a lot of people have stereotypical ideas of what a woman is, and if you don’t match their definition they try to label you as something else.
**** labels!!
Can I vote for you for benevolent/malevolent ruler of Earth?
Far from it. A generation is coming through that are seeking to have all these lived experiences viewed and accepted as totally normal. That’s the difference between them and previous generations like mine… the language of “understanding” and “tolerance” we use is old fashioned… it’s now about “normal” and “irrelevant” and battling against those who want some people to be kept apart and viewed as different or special.
and the thing is, right, is that those that were once considered a minority are finding that put together all those minorities make a majority... Change is happening and it's ****ing brilliant.
Go and read up on bi-erasure and then form an opinion.
Seems to me that far from supressing signs of the existence of bi-sexuality the media revel in it as it sells newspapers. I don't think I was aware of bi-sexuality until all the the media hype around Iggy Pop and David Bowie.
As I've followed your suggestion to read up on bi-erasure perhaps you'll follow my suggestion to read up on bi-sexual icons, Squirrelking.
I dnon't think being publicly bi is as much of an issue as being publicly homosexual. The examples in my head say it's more likely to make you more famous and richer.
I don't understand any of this stuff.
But then I don't need to.
I pity my son though when he's older. He'll need a slide rule just to be able to work out his options.
The progressive modern view of sexuality seems to be that people are fluid in their sexual preferences. No doubt for some this is true. However my lived experience tells me that in fact most people are plain old straight (boring I know) and that this new gender redefining has more to do with minorities inflating the size of there sub group than actual real life numbers.
How many transvestites do you regularly encounter ?
For the record, I couldn't give a **** about somebody elses sexual preferences, life's too short.
However my lived experience tells me that in fact most people are plain old straight (boring I know) and that this new gender redefining has more to do with minorities inflating the size of there sub group than actual real life numbers.
And of those who are not straight, most gay men are attracted to men, most lesbians are attracted to women. Both these groups are coming under fire (lesbians much more so), with their (same-sex) sexual attraction accusingly called a fetish and non-inclusive by the 'alphabet soup' part of the LGBT 'community'.
Labels are stupid. The only people who don't require labels are normal hetero people. This non-group definitely includes jugonauts, baconites, internet-forum addicts and car-lovers.
The rest of them are attention-seeking pansexual vegan cyclists.
The progressive modern view of sexuality seems to be that people are fluid in their sexual preferences. No doubt for some this is true. However my lived experience tells me that in fact most people are plain old straight (boring I know)
This much is true. Some folk are "fluid" and some are not. Same as some folk are vegetarian, some folk are Christian, some folk ride bikes.
and that this new gender redefining has more to do with minorities inflating the size of there sub group than actual real life numbers.
It's nothing to do with numbers, so much as people are finally feeling comfortable in not having to hide what is a big part of their life. There's been a couple of people at least on this very thread who have felt the need to express how heterosexual they are.
Besides which, they're still a group of minorities heavily oppressed or stigmatised in certain quarters. And if somewhere out there there's a young girl struggling to come to terms with her own sexuality because she's a bit "different," someone like Miley Cyrus being open about it could be a big source of comfort and support for her.
How many transvestites do you regularly encounter ?
I know a couple for a start. What's your point?
How many transvestites do you reckon you might know who aren't actually 'out' to the general public as such? They don't all swan about like Priscilla Queen of the Desert 24/7 you know.
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Yep, other people's sex lives and which bathroom they feel most comfortable using, and which bathroom other people think other people should use. Definitely, the most important things for me.
How many transvestites do you reckon you might know who aren’t actually ‘out’ to the general public as such? They don’t all swan about like Priscilla Queen of the Desert 24/7 you know.
None of the main characters in Priscilla were transvestites.
Two were drag queens (and gay), one was a transsexual.
The only people who don’t require labels are normal hetero people.
I wonder if really, they're the people who most likely do require labels, for other people.
For example: I'm vegetarian. That's not a label I want to give myself, rather it's a handy shorthand term to use to explain why I'm refusing the hospitality of someone asking whether I want sausages or a bacon butty for breakfast. Or to put that another way, being vegetarian doesn't proscribe what I can and can't eat, but rather what I choose to eat means that the word "vegetarian" is the closest widely-understood descriptor for my diet.