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Danys leap from ‘breaker of chains’ to ‘burner of peasants’ felt a bit abrupt. I feel an attack on the keep first at least would have been more plausible, ringing the bells a decoy for an attack on the dragon, then Dany goes mental.
Not at all. The idea that Targaryens have the capacity to suddenly go batshit mental and burn stuff has been flagged up since somewhere around episode 1, series 1. Her whole character arc has been littered with events that show her darker nature and ruthlessness. She wanted Cersei to watch as she levelled her entire city. The idea that she could rule as a part of a golden couple with Jon Snow was dangled as a bit of a red herring precisely so the eventual swing into madness would be more impactful.
The series could possibly had a couple more episodes, and I expected Varys to leg it over the narrow sea. The Jaime/Euron scrap was a bit lame, Cleganebowl was as good as it could have been, you knew that the Mountain was already dead, and that the Hound was going to die.
Well, Dany's tantrum has wiped out the economy of a large chunk of Westeros and made a lot of people homeless. And it's still only the beginning of Winter. Nice one.
Her going batshit did fit with her character's arc though. Where's a good Kingslayer when you need one?
Hound got the best lines, as ever.
Jamie should have stabbed Cersei in the crypt (note, not a euphamism).
Grey Worm is for the chop.
And how much fuel can one bloody dragon carry, eh? It's like they make this stuff up.
Reading others posts is interesting to me, I probably read too much online about TV shows I like - The Walking Dead for example everyone moans, because it's genuinely gone to shit. With GoT it's more like viewers are so invested they hate it when their favourite characters die, become baddies or act in a way that they don't like - it's like when you find out your Mate mugged an old Lady, a combination of disgust and disbelief.
I personally don't have an issue with Dany going mad "all of a sudden", it's been on the cards for years - she's been burning her enemies, people who betray her and sometimes people she just doesn't like pretty through the whole Game of Thrones, it's just been punctuated by periods of her smiling and being nice to her allies - as long as they completely and unquestionably devoted to her, she's a megalomaniac and always has been. She offers everyone she meets the same options - bend the knee, or die, usually by Dragon. Even before last nights episode he's probably had the highest body count in the series. Last episode she lost a Dragon and her favourite sycophant and probably worse was humiliated by Cersei. I'm not sure if she 'snapped' or that was just the normal response for her to that. She didn't need to kill all those Innocents, she wanted to, plus a pile of her own fighters.
It was a very GoT episode.
As for next week, I wouldn't be surprised if Dany ends up on the Throne, she'll need a new one of course. Jon back as King of the North and lots of fighting between the Kingdoms, just as it was with her Father.
My predictions were all wrong, so there’s no point in me trying for next week.
My prediction is that the closing scene of the final show will be a previously unknown person walking up the gangplank of a Bravosi ship in Kings Landing, handing the captain an iron coin and saying Valar Morghulis.
As the ship sails out of harbour she removes her face to reveal Arya who was seemingly killed earlier in the episode as she leaves Westeros forever having left her past behind and having truly become no one.
Dani didnt have a wobble, she decided earlier in the ep when snogging Jon, "okay, let it be fear"
im glad that big eared lass got fried for the way she treated DCI Hastings....
Can someone remind me what the green fireballs are? I remember it from before when Cersei blew up that building but cant remember what it is.
Can someone remind me what the green fireballs are? I remember it from before when Cersei blew up that building but cant remember what it is.
Caches of wildfire that were planted throughout the city by the Mad King...like the one that Cersei blew up beneath the Sept of Baelor
wildfire?
Magic green explosives
Dany’s tantrum has wiped out the economy of a large chunk of Westeros and made a lot of people homeless
This sounds a bit like the way Channel 4 News would cover such disturbing events.
Can someone remind me what the green fireballs are? I remember it from before when Cersei blew up that building but cant remember what it is.
It's Wildfire, the Mad King stashed loads of it around Kings Landing, it was his preferred method of killing people (he didn't have dragons). Supposedly he hid it all around the place so if they was an uprising he'd burn the city with it.
im glad that big eared lass got fried for the way she treated DCI Hastings….
bit harsh given she was only making a tit of herself
still, that's justice in GoT land
im glad that big eared lass got fried for the way she treated DCI Hastings….
DCI Hastings got off lightly compared to Janos Slynt, the last bent copper in King's Landing
im glad that big eared lass got fried for the way she treated DCI Hastings….
bit harsh given she was only making a tit of herself
still, that’s justice in GoT land
This is why it's difficult to stay invested with necessary levels of suspension of disbelief watching with my wife, who recognises everyone from everything, not just those with definining physical characterisics, and shares this knowledge freely.
But anyway, making the effort, cityburining was mainly her [Danny, not my wife] rage at JS: being 'rightful' king, dooming nascent relationship etc. Kind of thing that might be satisfied by pouring most of a pint of lager top over his head for most people.
The story arc doesn't make much sense this season, but burning and pillaging King's Landing isn't totally nuts according to a military strategist:
The Strategic Case for Burning King’s Landing
So basically Dani has to keep everyone terrified of her because Jon Snow and other potential challengers are much more popular so torching King's Landing shows that she means business.
Just seemed a bit of a stretch to level the entire city.
I mean sure, take out the scorpions at land and sea, pause for a bit while the bells ring then fly over to the Red Keep and torch the place, slaughtering some innocents in the process. That shows you mean business, you've torched Cersei, and leveled the citadel.
Crucially you still actually have an intact city full of people who have seen how badass you and your dragon are rather than just trying to rule over a sea of ashes.
Megalomaniac dictators aren’t really known for their rational thought.
She’s always had a mean impulsive streak - it’s been noticeably getting worse in recent years. Plus Missandei and Jorah were her conscience until they snuffed it.
But its been obvious for ages that she was going to be become the Mad Queen. And not torching absolutely everyone wouldn't have been.... well... mad!
Anyway... John Sneeeeerrrr didn't look right happy about her dragon-based burny rampage, so I think we know where we're heading next week! No more shagging your aunt! Cos she's mental!
I think final episode Jon and his auntie have a proper tiff, auntie tells dragon to torch Jon, Jon survives flames, dragon changes allegiance to Jon, Arya tops Dany, Jon and his dragon go north, Sansa takes throne, peace at last.
No more shagging your aunt! Cos she’s mental!
Words to live by.
Jon survives flames
Been waiting for this moment for a few series now. Too obvious even for this current version of GoT though?
Anyway, I'll be disappointed if we get a neat conclusion with the forces of all that's good and holy triumphing, it just won't be proper GoT. I'm rooting for a "Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss" ending. And maybe a blue twinkle in someone's eyes up North.
So basically Dani has to keep everyone terrified of her because Jon Snow and other potential challengers are much more popular so torching King’s Landing shows that she means business.
This was covered in their fireside chat in the episode. She was banging on about the people loving Jon, and the only weapon she had was fear. When he pulled away from shagging his aunt (again) she said "fear it is then" or something similar.
auntie tells dragon to torch Jon, Jon survives flames
I was kind of hoping that on one of the occasions that Jon looks up while Auntie is torching the city that'd he'd give a whistle and a "here boy" and the dragon would obey, send Dany proper mental and try to torch him, but obviously he's suffer no ill affects being a Targaryen.
think final episode Jon and his auntie have a proper tiff, auntie tells dragon to torch Jon
All that but dragon doesn't do it, and burns Dany instead.
This feels a pretty accurate view on why the last series feels very different to the earlier, book based, ones. Basically GRRM wrote characters and let the story develop based on how they would react to situations (which led him off down some deadends). For the last seasons the show runners have been working backwards from the end game.
Disappointing. The Euron/Jaime fight added nothing (Euron could have just burnt up with his ship) and the 'fatally wounded' Jaime (dragging himself towards his sword) managed to then run up into the tower, get Cersei, give her a hug before the roof fell in.
Although GRRM praises the TV show adaptation at the moment I'm sure in a few years time once the revenue from the spin-offs and syndication is in he'll end up telling the truth, D&D are shit writers who wrecked his carefully crafted story-line.
With GoT it’s more like viewers are so invested they hate it when their favourite characters die, become baddies or act in a way that they don’t like
I certainly don't mind when favourite characters die (OK I would have been pissed had Arya not made it back to Winterfell and done something cool with her new-found assassin skills but anyone else dying would be fine and now she's done that she can die to :p ), it's part of the fabric of the show. What's also part of that fabric is carefully woven story-lines developing characters in great detail and there being several strands running in parallel. That's all changed with s8, it's all about wrapping things up quickly and doing the obvious things.
Granted, once someone decided s8 would be the last it was always going to have to switch from long-running story arcs to concluding them but it still feels like we're being robbed. I don't know how anyone can defend the whole Night King arc, it's like they forgot about it and thought "****, need to wrap that several thousand year old all-powerful dude and his army up in one episode so we've got time for the Cersei v Dany stuff"
Interesting point in the Guardian...
Quite a few people have named their Kids Khaleesi in the last few years.
Of course I'd NEVER do anything like that.
D&D are shit writers who wrecked his carefully crafted story-line.
The point the link I tried to post makes it the problem is partly GRRM - he's having difficulty with his own story as well because it's developed organically. Supposedly he's given them the ending, they've had to try to work out how to get from where they were to it.
(That would have been a very wrong link above, obviously)
https://twitter.com/DSilvermint/status/1125856091261136896
That thread is pretty good.
Weird that I like GRRM's version of pantsing, but I can't stand it in TV generally - although maybe that's just because of the likelyhood of it being cancelled without resolution!
An interesting TV show that felt like pantsing done well was the The Leftovers.
Well....I didn’t understand how Tyrion survived letting Jaime go when he’d just been told ‘ one more thing and you’ll be a crisp’, also didn’t understand how Zjaime survived being stabbed twice in the side with an 18in blade, managed to kill a highly skilled person and then run around for half an hour getting better along the way.
But the fire power of the dragon was ridiculous, taking out whole stone towers with one breath.....FFS!
Anyway as I’ve said all along, Jon Snow will come out on top, anything else would be just wrong!
So who was Varys writing too? I fully expect the Martells, Tyrells and Baratheons if there are any left to come marching in at the eleventh hour and save the day, which would be, errr, shite. I can't think of anyone else with the clout to influence the ending.
I reckon Jaime's last act was to protect Cersei so she gets to die again but properly.
Jon will be sentenced to death, Danny will give it the old Dracarys but Drogon will be like WTF U mad bro LOLZ??!!
Jon boy will stay true to his word and not sit on the throne but go live on the wilderness, only coming out once a week to ride his pet dragon too market. Which would make Tyrion the next in line for the throne I believe and he'll live happily ever after with Sonzser.
I can’t think of anyone else with the clout to influence the ending.
Iron Bank? Moot point really as I think their Lannister repayment plan may have gone up in smoke.
the fire power of the dragon was ridiculous, taking out whole stone towers with one breath
Last series We saw a dragon take down The Wall - which had stood for 8 millennia - with a couple of breaths. That pretty much warned us about the power of dragons.
Made me think of the bombing of Dresdan at near the end of WW2,wasn't really necessary but we did it anyway
But the fire power of the dragon was ridiculous, taking out whole stone towers with one breath…..FFS!
Yes, I didn't get this either. If the dragon breaths explosive rounds why didn't they all blow up when she executed the master of whispers. Or can the dragon chose between just normal fire and explosive fire? And does the dragon not run out of fire at all?
She blew up the main gates. The most fortified part of any fortified city with one pass. I think it was just lazy writing and using up a budget.
Yes, I know the dragon took down the wall but that ruined it for me too. I think there were better ways they could have done it. Maybe not made the city out of stone and had more wooden roofs etc? Maybe used the hidden green bombs placed around the city ?
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Last series We saw a dragon take down The Wall – which had stood for 8 millennia – with a couple of breaths.
Enchantments aside, The Wall was made of water. In Westeros history dragons were used against Harrenhall and they just made the stone a bit "melty" looking.
Made me think of the bombing of Dresdan at near the end of WW2,wasn’t really necessary but we did it anyway
It was necessary for the plot. That's what caused Billy Pilgrim to come unstuck in time. Without Dresden, the story would have made no sense.
In Westeros history dragons were used against Harrenhall and they just made the stone a bit “melty” looking.
Pah. Harrenhal is clearly a different, more granitey stone compared to Kings Landing, which looks like sandstone. 🙂
but obviously he’s suffer no ill affects being a Targaryen.
Daenerys ability to not get burned to a crisp has nothing to do with her being a Targeryan. GGR has said as much any number of times, her walking out out of the bonfire that birthed her dragons was "just" because; magic. A one time offer, never to be repeated. Jon (and her for that matter) may as likely burn (or survive, because; magic) again) who knows...
Jons offs Dany, installs Tyrion and Sansa (who haven't divorced, although that doesn't seem to be a thing in GOT) as twin rulers uniting the North and South finally. He ****s off back to the North. Arya gets on a boat and goes exploring (as she said she would back in Season 1 ep1)
her walking out out of the bonfire that birthed her dragons was “just” because; magic. A one time offer, never to be repeated.
She walked out of that massive yurt when she torched the Khals. So at least a 2-time offer, to be repeated as necessary...
Surely you're not saying GRRM is inconsistent with his deux ex machinas? I don't believe it!
S8 has been hugely flawed in many plot respects, although I've enjoyed the mess.
As a whole it's not a show I feel compelled to re-watch (yet). Half the fun has been moaning about the plot armour and playing GoT deadpool. Perhaps a few choice episodes. And there have been some good ones. The big set piece battles have all been good. Blackwater, BoB, Hardhome, Living vs Dead. There hasn't half been some tedious crap though.
I still think the most satisfying scene was Ramsey Bolton's last, I think I actually shouted "Yes!" at the telly 😆
I thought Ramsey got off lightly, I was hoping for a long, lingering death - maybe feeding him to the hounds an inch at a time.
I think the only time I shouted was when Oberyn Martell was killed by the mountain. I really wanted him to win that fight.
... oh, and probably when Jaime stopped Margaery Tyrell from doing her 'walk of shame' at the very last moment.
Daenerys also picked up heated dragon eggs from a fire with no harm, though they seared the skin of the servant who took them from her. And in the very first episode the entered a steaming bath even though it was 'too hot'.
I don't know where GRR said it was a 'one-off', but that's clearly not the case in the tv series.
GRRM just makes it up as he goes along.
Crazy, huh?
I think the overall point of the show will be the end of magic, with the Children of the Forest, the White Walkers, dragons, warging, etc. all displaced by humans and science. Arya killed the Night King and she will also kill Daenerys. Jon Snow and the dragon will also die, so that will be the end of the Targaryens and their magic. Jon was not The Prince that was Promised. Arya will be pregnant with the blacksmith's baby. That will be the heir to the Iron Throne, so that will mark the end of magic.
I think the only time I shouted was when Oberyn Martell was killed by the mountain. I really wanted him to win that fight.
We all did - think that was peak GoT
… oh, and probably when Jaime stopped Margaery Tyrell from doing her ‘walk of shame’ at the very last moment.
We all did to that too - there's an episode or two of The Tudors you'd enjoy
In Westeros history dragons were used against Harrenhall and they just made the stone a bit “melty” looking.
That was ages ago, dragon tech has moved on you know
As a whole it’s not a show I feel compelled to re-watch (yet). Half the fun has been moaning about the plot armour and playing GoT deadpool
I re watched season 7 the week before 8 started and since then have watched seasons 1-6 whilst watching 8, has made season 8 work for me as I am watching old episodes so its fresh instead of remembering with rose tinted specs.
As a whole it’s not a show I feel compelled to re-watch (yet).
I was surprised how much I enjoyed it second time around. My wife bailed after season 3, but as everyone at work was always talking about it fancied starting again, so we watched them all again before this final season.
Absolutely loved it. Knowing what happens actually makes it super-fascinating and I never felt it dragged.
GoT will never top Tyrion shooting his father with a crossbow whilst he was on the bog.
Or the Hounds chicken scene......"If I here one more word out of your **** mouth..." 😀
The Hound is the only character I will miss - the only down to earth rational realist along with Tyrion in a land full of magical thinkers, entitled brats and ideologically driven lunatics. And the only one to see through the madness until Tyrion slowly realised what Danaerys was about in the last few episodes.
Hound: "You're a talker. Listening to talkers makes me thirsty."
*Reaches across and drinks all of Polliver's ale*
"And hungry. Think I'll take two chickens."
Polliver: "You don't seem to understand the situation."
Hound: "I understand that if any more words come pouring out your **** mouth, I'm gonna have to eat every ****ing chicken in this room."
Polliver: "You lived your life for the king. You gonna die for some chickens?"
Hound: "Someone is."
😀 Still gives me a smile.
Grrm didn't say that that event was a one off, he said that Danny was a one off - " the unburnt".
She doesn't burn. Targaryans do burn. Her brothers head burnt. John would burn. She doesn't.
I reckon the Dragon just wont do it.
Well that was below par.
Or the Hounds chicken scene……”If I here one more word out of your **** mouth…” 😀
Hounds the best, especially when he C-bombs.
Well that was a bit pants. Hope they pull it back for the final episode.
I came from the books, thought the early seasons did a pretty good job. This season was OK up to the Battle of Winterfell which was OK with a few good bits but the last two episodes have just been a bit meh.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Arya not being burnt to a crisp, all of a sudden having blue eyes and riding a white horse yet. Oh yeah, it's just started snowing in Kings Landing to boot. Did she just take the night king's place?
Oh yeah, it’s just started snowing in Kings Landing to boot.
I thought that was ash!
The ending has leaked online.
I'm assuming it's a joke but I still ain't clicking
all of a sudden having blue eyes
not on my tv...
I think it was just lazy writing and using up a budget.
https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers/blockquote >
Yes.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tomandlorenzo/status/1120291619163525127?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1120291619163525127&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fthe-goods%2F2019%2F4%2F22%2F18511097%2Fgame-of-thrones-sansa-stark-leather-armor-costumes/blockquote >
Sums up Sansa pretty well, very fine, very expensive armour - never been in a battle her in entire life and never willingly well be.
I thought that was ash!
It was, but it's symbolism, innit. Winter has well and truly arrived in Kings Landing.
Sums up Sansa pretty well, very fine, very expensive armour – never been in a battle her in entire life and never willingly well be.
Check this video out, I cant decide if its incredibly inciteful or made up on the spot.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/4/3/18287327/game-of-thrones-sansa-stark-costumes-michele-clapton
Here's a question I hope someone can help me with as it's only just dawned on me.
Early in the last episode we see Varys talking to one of his Little Birds, a servant Girl (Martha) they exchange a few words about how "she's not really eating now, and the Solders are watching her".
Later on there's a girl, the one with the White Horse Toy in Kings Landing, was that the same Girl?
I thought it was as the time, made it pretty confusing.
Early in the last episode we see Varys talking to one of his Little Birds, a servant Girl (Martha) they exchange a few words about how “she’s not really eating now, and the Solders are watching her”.
The real question is ...was he trying to poison her food?
was that the same Girl?
First girl is on Dragonstone, second one is in Kings landing so, no.
Poison the little girls food? Harsh.
Burn him, I say.
First girl is on Dragonstone, second one is in Kings landing so, no
Time and distance have no meaning in this place.
Do you think that's air, that you are breathing? Interesting.
The real question is …was he trying to poison her food?
Ooo.
And maybe he succeeded - it was them funny mushrooms what made Dany go bananas with the napalm.
The real question is …was he trying to poison her food?
Yes, absolutely. Between E4 and E5 Varys had decided to kill her to let John Snow take the throne.
A better question would be, did he manage to do it?
Why take all your rings off if you know you're going to die and have no one to leave them to? Supposedly the last one he took off was his special poison ring.
Anyway, moving on....I can’t believe that they can get close to wrapping up all the lose ends in one episode. Not even close!
Therefore, I believe that there are going to be a lot of very disenchanted GOT fans walking around next week.