[Closed] Foie Gras

entier or bloc?

I've got clean socks on, as we are sharing pointless tedious personal details.

Mine are a bit grubby, but haven't reached the crusty stage yet.

It's very good with Tariquet.

If it is a special occasion then naturally entier. For day to day duties, bloc will suffice.

I have a place in france and the neighbour keeps geese and apparantly makes the best Foie Gras anywhere

WE Will be back soon for the wifes birthday hopefully to try some too 🙂

Yay, another pointless troll.

Don't touch it myself. I'm sure it is lovely, but it just seems unnecessarily cruel to me.

No problem with other people eating it though - so enjoy 🙂

can't get enough of the stuff and I sleep really well at night.

Maybe you can get someone to stuff it down your throat whilst you're asleep 💡

it is cruel, but it's just a goose

GrahamS - not sure how you can avoid something because you think it's cruel but then be happy with others doing it. Odd.

iDave - you're just a human - cruelty is equal in all species.

iDave - you're just a human - cruelty is equal in all species.

you think? so is stamping on a chicken no different to stamping on a baby?

one mans pet is anothere mans dinner

you think? so is stamping on a chicken no different to stamping on a baby?

Nope.

so is stamping on a chicken no different to stamping on a baby?

coffeeking's point is completely valid imo. Yes it's not the same - the severity of the crime is different.
But both are unacceptable - or do you think 'stamping on a chicken' is acceptable ?

morally no great differnce.

Legally a world apart.

GrahamS - not sure how you can avoid something because you think it's cruel but then be happy with others doing it. Odd.

Not really. I didn't say I was happy, just that I don't particularly raise a fuss. We all have our own conscience to answer to. I don't eat Foie Gras, but I still occasionally eat lamb and I can't honestly say that all my chicken is free range.

I wouldn't marry someone who thought that the traditional [i]gavage[/i] method of foie gras was an okay practise, because they don't have morales that line up well with mine. But likewise I wouldn't storm across the restaurant, snatch it from someone's hand and ram a cob of corn down their throat.

Mmmmmm. Fois Gras.

Delicious.

I was of course working on the moral question, rather than legal.

Graham, I was kind of winding you up a bit, we follow the same thought process.

i'm not saying either is acceptable. but they have different degree's of unacceptability. I am not one for stamping on anything other than the ground.

Neither is acceptable, full stop, there's no shades of grey.

morally, the act of stamping on a living animal other than to eradicate a small pest swiftly (say a cockroach) is constant regardless of the species - the morality is in the act, not the victim.

The reason "stamping" is repugnant is, I think, in the preconception that stamping will cause great pain, involves direct physical contact to create that pain, and (other than in my example above to swiftly kill a non-sentient creature) it is usually a non-lethal act that serves no purpose. Killing often serves a morally acceptable purpose: torture almost never does.

So please tell me what has stamping on anything got to do with eating goose liver.

I am a bit confused

damned if I know.
🙂

fois gras is so last season darlings - now swan, that's proper posh food.

Graham, I was kind of winding you up a bit, we follow the same thought process.

Line and sinker then 🙂

Incidentally, most Foie Gras outside of France isn't made by the [i]gavage[/i] (force-feeding) method, so the OP may well sleep soundly 😀

Or baby bottle nose dolphin, if your local fishmonger has any in.

I am a bit confused

You have to stamp on the goose to kill it, so that you can eat it's liver.

A baby's liver is equally tasty, but unfortunately, stamping on babies is generally frowned upon.

Chicken livers are for cowards.

HTH

Many many Foie Gras producers feed the birds, ducks and geese by hand, no force feeding, I buy 100-150kg per year using duck for hot dishes and goose for cold.........CRUEL IS, the way that Squab pigeon are raised, they have aircraft hanger sized barns with thousands of little pigeons buried in little holes with only their heads sticking out, they can't fly meaning that they become plump without using their muscles ensuring they are tender, lovely with foie gras too

Anyone had panda cub? I hear it's very rich and tender but you need two or three to feed a table of six diners.

Is an occasional bit of foie gras really any crueller than regularly eating intensively farmed chicken?

For me foie gras as a delicious but a rare treat, probably eat it and enjoy it without any qualms once or twice a year (and I do understand that the goose doesn't necessarily want _that_ much corn to eat).

I hardly eat any intensively farmed chicken and pork (usually just bacon rolls to deal with medical emergencies!), so in animal welfare stakes I'm probably well up on most.

hmmm, other cruel recipes:

Ortolan (as eaten by Mitterand as his last meal):

[i]Take one live bunting.

Gouge its eyes out alive, or keep it in a lightless box for a month.

Feed bird on millet, grapes, and figs for one month, or until the bunting has swollen to four times its original size.

Drown bird in Armagnac.

Place bird in a high oven for six to eight minutes and serve.

Eat whole, with your head covered with a traditional embroidered cloth[/i]

as eaten by Mitterand as his last meal

What, it killed the poor ****er ? 😯

i disagree coffee king.

stamping on a baby rids the world of one potential paedo/rapist/murderer (if only potential, call it "nipping it in the bud")

the worst things geese do is crap all over footpaths in parks.

You have to stamp on the goose to kill it, so that you can eat it's liver.

Realy where did you get that from please tell

stamping on a baby rids the world of one potential paedo/rapist/murderer

And in my case, I had to do it to rid the world of the [url= ]Anti-Christ[/url]

Ortolan....nomnomnomnomnomnom.....

🙂

Really where did you get that from please tell

From this thread.

........... aren't you paying attention ffs ?

What is the moral difference between a chicken and a cockroach, Stoner? Neither is self aware, and both feel pain.

For me, the debate is about unnecessary cruelty. You could argue that for fois gras production some cruelty is required for the taste. Haven't eaten it yet, but probably wouldn't refuse it and have eaten veal in the past.

ernie_lynch - Member

Really where did you get that from please tell

From this thread.

........... aren't you paying attention ffs ?

Yer silly sod

they were spouting on about stamping on chickens and babies in some ritiuous manner

Yer silly sod

That's a bit rude 🙁

as I said above there's little moral difference save for the reason for stamping. Stamping on a cockroach would kill it instantly. Stamping on a chicken may not neccessarily come to the same conclusion....the first time. Especially when more humane methods are at a chicken-killers disposal (gassing, decapitation, neck-breaking)

As for the the moral relativity between species as seen by society I think the use of the word vermin is probably the best guidance.

Cockroach feels pain? Source?

Cockroach doesn't feel pain. Source? No idea personally, is there reearch on these things, or do you give the victim a questionnaire?

is there reearch on these things,

or do you give the victim a questionnaire?

I could really use a tiny pair of pliers...

Swan Foie Gras?

So if I stuck a pin into a cockroach** it wouldn't react in anyway at all Stoner ? ............. cool 😀

On the question of moral dilemmas Stoner, would it be ok to stamp on a chicken if you saw one scurrying across the kitchen floor trying to hide under the dish washer when you turned the lights on ?

** btw did you know that the Spanish for cockroach is cucaracha ? Which is undoubtedly one of the coolest words in human vocabulary.

btw did you know that the Spanish for cockroach is cucaracha

I did, but dont know why. Have you mentioned it before on here?
An insect with rhythm. I like.

As for cockroach pain, it may be a lot more like us than Ive given credit.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dKm6YCWZo5cC&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=cockroach+pain&source=bl&ots=hJRVu4z8SN&sig=Wd2ScVeIX3m85Lb7Gr3nfjcq4kI&hl=en&ei=S9ywSrfYLpeZ4gblvaX8Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q=cockroach%20pain&f=false

I did, but dont know why

There's loads of song (versions) about 'La Cucaracha' . That's probably why you knew.......... I was spoilt for choice when I looked a youtube for a link to a cucaracha vid.

The world would be a very, very strange and different place if we took the moral claims of all living creatures of whatever species remotely seriously. We often struggle with treating humans as though they matter. Can you imagine how much confusion there would be if we also acted as though cockroaches were significant moral patients entitled to a basic standard of respect for their personhood?

It may well be the right thing to do, but it would be extremely difficult. 🙂