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weeksy - Member
I've just spent the last 6 hours lugging bucket after bucket of water, up the road, down the drain, repeat.... again, again again....
Sorry to hear that. Is there anything practical that we (STW forum members) can do to help? eg Lobby, send stuff, etc
Why shouldn't people take personal responsibility for where they choose to live? Its pretty blindingly obvious that very low lying areas are at higher risk of flooding, likewise with properties next to River or the Sea.
nah mate, we're all good thanks. It's a very relative term, 'all good' but even if 300 of you turned up here there's little we can do, we're moving the water and getting it out of there, but the drains are full, the thing that used to be an empty stream is a raging river, the water is coming up through the drains rather than somewhere we can actively divert it from with human power.
That said, we are dry and at least right now, the situation is better than it has been for 3 days...
I'm just sitting on the sofa crying and feeling utterly utterly useless.
That sounds bloody hard work Weeksy. Hope things get better for you soon fella.
DaveT - Member
Why shouldn't people take personal responsibility for where they choose to live? Its pretty blindingly obvious that very low lying areas are at higher risk of flooding, likewise with properties next to River or the Sea.
I don't live by a river... not in the normal sense of the word, the 'river' hasn't actually had a 'flow' or even at most points any moisture in the last 7 years of us living here.
Why shouldn't people take personal responsibility for where they choose to live?
Generally people are. I see you are taking personal responsibility for being a sanctimonious **** with nothing to add to the thread. Why don't you **** off and poke a 3 year old with a stick or something?
Binders
Is it a budget or actual expenditure we are talking about?
All major metropolitan areas would have seemed to have cuts .... Inc London
Weeksy
I hope things get better over the next few days. I was wondering how it would affect the house sale 🙁
the reason second floor flats in flood plains are expensive to insure
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DaveT - Member
Why shouldn't people take personal responsibility for where they choose to live? Its pretty blindingly obvious that very low lying areas are at higher risk of flooding, likewise with properties next to River or the Sea.
Even when there is no record of it flooding, not only in recent memory, or even several generations?
You can live next to a river and have no issues, you can live well away from a river and be flooded. It's obviously escaped your notice that people are now being flooded by rising groundwater; the sheer pressure of the groundwater is forcing water out of the ground and through the actual floor of people's homes. Explain again how that's their fault for living somewhere that has no record, ever, of flooding.
RichPenny - Member
Why shouldn't people take personal responsibility for where they choose to live?
Generally people are. I see you are taking personal responsibility for being a sanctimonious * with nothing to add to the thread. Why don't you * off and poke a 3 year old with a stick or something?
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http://map.sepa.org.uk/floodmap/map.htm
does england have something like that ? - sepas pretty comprehensive and shows risk from rivers / coastal and from ground water levels.
it also shows areas that have potential to flood that have no history of flooding - as things are changing ...... sea levels rising etc.
yes
http://watermaps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/wiyby.aspx?topic=floodmap#x=357683&y=355134&scale=2
used it when I was buying my house!
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I can't even work out what is going on there...
I don't think that's a flood plain, looks more like higher up in a valley. The water is flowing fast downhill. Could possibly be a giant sink hole but it looks too big and maybe linear for that somehow.
are your feet wet kimbers ?
Thats the Spencer Court flats in Newburn - there was a victorian culvert under the site that collapsed, and the floodwater gouged everything out around it.
[b]DaveT[/b] are you incapable of empathy?
To satisfy my own curiosity, that pic was from 2012, and was due to an underground culvert collapsing in Tyne Tees.
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/topic/newburn-flats/
Edit: 1 minute too late.
due to an underground culvert collapsing during high flood waters.
my feet are dry!
fine here though we arent too far from the thames, fortunately up and away enough to be ok
the EA website shows that large parts of london however are at risk, im assuming that its protected by the barrier though rather than upstream water?
Some interesting points made here but the people turning this into a political debate of any kind are ridiculous. Sadly the media and thus politicians seem to be following suit and we will all end up worse off be it through diverted investment in other services, higher taxes or higher insurance premiums.
You would probably have to change 300 years of history to address current and future flooding issues.
- Forest clearing for agriculture
- Decrease in green spaces everywhere
- Building on flood plains
- Slow adoption of SUDS and grey water recycling in new developments
- Planning
- Constant urge for more affordable houses (at any cost)
- Under investment / poor investment in flood infrastructure
- Climate change (and all associated causes!)
But by far the biggest is the sheer amount of rain. Something which could happen in any year.
The suggestion that other countries cope with bigger rainfall is mis-direction. Land forms naturally to cope with the local climate so wetter countries will cope with wetter weather.
I'd be interested to know which of these western countries build flood infrastructure to cope with 1 in 250 year events!? I don't expect many, if any.
Well,
we survived and last night was the first night without any generators and pumps running... today the road is slightly damp... but basically irrelevent.
It took until Friday to get any assistance, then all of a Sudden we had the Army, the fire brigade, the Highways guys and just people everywhere.
we spent a relative fortune on hiring pumps, paying for fuel and keeping the water at bay.
It was possibly the most frustrating few days of my entire life and certainly some of the toughest, doing shifts through the night with the pumps, cold, dark and wet, watching the water levels rise despite the fact we were pumping 20,000 gallons of water PER HOUR !!!! Yes really... that's an average fuel tanker every 2 hours being pumped away from the houses.
We had people who were amazing and people who should be burned in the street. We had abuse from people for blocking the road, people complaining about the noise from the pumps and people just basically not grasping the whole concept that if our road was to flood, it then floods down the next bit into their homes, into the village pub, into the shop and the post office, then into the electrics and we all lost power (as did 2 other villages next to us)... depite this, they were still angry at us for making them divert about 100m out of their way to get to the shop...
It's times like this you learn a lot about yourself. I coped well on the outside and at times fell apart on the inside. The feeling of being helpless to stop it, despite doing everything within your power is just not a nice place to be. The feeling that SOMEONE must have a better plan... somewhere... but it seemed for a long time they never...
I'm very glad to be able to be sitting in the office today... it's so so nice.