The obvious link to home cooking could be a male chauvinist hangover..
Sorry Enrie, it was a joke! 😉 I will stick to Cecil in future. Probably, slightly more appropriate. Anyway thought you had emigrated as you seem to have been very quiet. Nice to know you are still there and others are keeping up the....now, stop that 😉
Back to OP - portion sizes? Compare a French restaurant with UK/US one. Drinking in moderation? Good wine to be savoured not glugged. That's what the Badoit/Perrier/Evian is for. What is the normal size glass for a beer (Formidables aside!)?
One good thing about the Bullingdon Bullies isthat the unemployed,sick and disabled will be starved into being thin.If they manage to survive at all.
it would be interesting to see ratios of fat men to fat women for various countries...
walk round any large town and McD, Quick Burger & Subway are everywhere
(Subway's success in France is amazing they're expanding at an incredible rate)
Of course you'll still have the McD flagship stores near the major tourist bits
You can't see liver disease walking around, mind.
Don't the french have a fattie's club? If you're over a certain weight you have to attend "fat club" where they take you on walks and stuff..
I remember belting down a trail in the French Alps and coming across loads of them, wider than the trail! 😯 The guy leading them (skinny) said there are a lot bigger ones further down the trail so be careful.
I think its a great idea if this is true!
"Malbouffe" isn't so much the Mc Donalds and similar, it's industrial food crammed with cheap sugars and fats. That's what I see when I visit the UK. Even things like green beans and carrots have added sugar in the UK.
A Big Mac contains French beef in French bread with French salad and unfortunately some fairly foul sauces. As a meal though there's not much wrong with it. As a meal, not a snack.
The coffee and cigarettes thing is true but only for 25% of the population, what percercenatage of Brits smoke?
As for sport I saw a table with Ireland at the top and France near the bottom. Like cycling though, I sustect the statistics are misleading. I pass lots of cyclists in my local town and so few when on holiday in Britain every one wanted me to wave back at them.
National sport of France.........?
This is a [b]cycling[/b] forum...........
French "appear" relatively slim as a nation......
So the answer is......get on your bikes and ride. Simples, we should all be happy!
If you want the starkest indication of the difference between French and English eating habits, try eating where lowly paid workmen go for lunch in France. It will probably put many restaurants in the UK to shame for quality of wholesome food at a reasonably price. The French think eating wholesome food is a basic human right.
The French think eating wholesome food is a basic human right.
quite right too, vive le vie Francaise!
Tucker - good point. We witnessed some French road workers taking their lunch break at a motorway services...
Picnic table was out with a fine selection of cured meats, bread and cheese on display. Not a fast food wrapper in sight.
McDonalds is very popular in France - its their second largest market after the US.
With who? The French, or tourists?
I know many French people that wouldn't consider going anywhere near a McDonalds, but then I know plenty of English people who feel the same.
I think I'm correct in saying the French as a rule are happier to spend a larger proportion of their income on food. So yes, they like good food, but they appreciate that good food costs money, and that's a price they are willing to pay.
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If you want the starkest indication of the difference between French and English eating habits, try eating where lowly paid workmen go for lunch in France. It will probably put many restaurants in the UK to shame for quality of wholesome food at a reasonably price. The French think eating wholesome food is a basic human right.
Good points - and how many francais eat lunch at their desks? One of the joys of working in France was a proper lunch break, eating at a restaurant with a fresh menu du jour and watching my boss going for his daily rendez-vous with his mistress at 13:30!!
Even things like green beans and carrots have added sugar in the UK.
Do they hell. Maybe from a tin, but who the hell buys tinned veg?
As for smoking - 20% in the UK. Also, remember France drinks a lot, and has some of the highest rates of liver disease iirc. Also apparently 20% more French men die of cancer than British men - lots of mouth and throat cancer from all the booze and fags.
One of the joys of working in France was a proper lunch break, eating at a restaurant with a fresh menu du jour and watching my boss going for his daily rendez-vous with his mistress at 13:30!!
Isn't that what makes the country's economy less competitive on the world stage? Wasn't that a key campaign issue in the last election?
I thought the binge drinking culture in the UK was supposed to have a more dramatic impact on health?
Edit: According to some stats I just looked at the French are at position 14 in the world's best alchoholics table... just one position higher than the UK.
watching my boss going for his daily rendez-vous with his mistress at 13:30!!
Ah yes, the French ladies. Who generally (I've both found and reliably been told by the locals) like to be feminine and don't object to admiring glances by fat old bald gits like myself.
my ex girlfriend was French. She said when a McDonalds opened in the town where she grew up some locals burned it down. Apparently it never reopened.
Isn't that what makes the country's economy less competitive on the world stage?
Doesn't matter really, the Germans will soon be picking up the tab for the French and they're non-productive afternoon liaisons 😉
Mind you. They're amateurs in comparison to the Italians. I remember being over there and wondering when anybody actually [i]did[/i] anything, as we enjoyed yet another absolutely fantastic, 2 hour, 3 course lunch with plenty of wine to wash it down
Hello Molgrips, here to rubbbish everything I say as usual? You'll make a fool of yourself as usual too. I was talking about industrial foods and in this context British carrots and beans have added sugar, check the tin or jar. I buy vegetables in jars and so do most French people, there's nothing wrong with them; the nutritional content is better preserved than home cooking.
The cancer mortality rate of men in France is only 8% higher than in the UK.[url= http://eu-cancer.iarc.fr/2-cancer-fact-sheets.html,en ]Check for yourself[/url]
In a few weeks we make our (seemingly) annual pilgrimage "au sud".
Having become a biffer in the last couple of years, I'm actually embarrassed in advance of arriving on holiday.
I think I'm correct in saying the French as a rule are happier to spend a larger proportion of their income on food. So yes, they like good food, but they appreciate that good food costs money, and that's a price they are willing to pay.
This^ and
The French think eating wholesome food is a basic human right.
This^
Are reasons why I love France.
On the point about proportion of income spent on food, I think it's telling.
Britons are sold (and therefore choose to buy) food based on two leading criteria: (1) price and (2) convenience. Buying on quality alone seems to be a criteria of a sub-set of middle class Britain.
I'm in that niche, hence my food bill is huge and I can't afford an Audi or a plasma TV....
when a McDonalds opened in the town where she grew up some locals burned it down. Apparently it never reopened
Suddenly the French have gone up massively in my estimation ...
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I can only assume their home cooking is somewhat more healthy than the stuff their restaurants serve which seems to consist primarily of cream, cheese, salt and red wine. mmmmmmmm
I put on 3 kg over a long weekend not so long back...je ne regrette rien!
Hello Molgrips, here to rubbbish everything I say as usual?
No, not at all. But it's a bit sweeping to say that beans and carrots have sugar in, when most people buy them either fresh or frozen just as they come off the plant.
I'm surprised that French people buy tinned veg - disgusting slop imo. I don't know anyone that buys their veg that way, but I suppose people do because they are available. Beans in tins often - they used to have sugar and salt, but now most are sugar and salt free.
All I was doing was pointing out that just because people aren't fat doesn't mean they are healthy. France has health problems the same as anywhere else. It's a British trait to think that the UK is a hell-hole and everywhere else is better.
and I can't afford an Audi or a plasma TV....
Why you would want either of those is beyond me.....
when most people buy them either fresh or frozen just as they come off the plant.
+1
I got back from France a few weeks ago and noticed the same thing. One thing I did notice when visiting a Carrefour supermarket was that crap food (biscuits, crisps, chocolate bars, soft drinks etc.) were really expensive (€3+ for a four pack of Lion bars, Soft drinks costing more than beer etc.) but that's probably a good thing
The fresh fruit/veg was far superior than here too (and cheaper in many cases despite the exchange rate). I must admit I preferred it to shopping here (shame getting hold of proper milk is so difficult though).
I don't think it's confined to France. There's been a noticable absence of fatties in every country I've travelled to.
Being a porker is a very British thing.*
Now, aren't we all proud 🙂
*and American, of course.
You're still misquoting me, Molgrips. You have turned my word "jars" into "tins" and missed out the word "industrial" again.
If you check 2011 stats (Wiki is out of date) you'll find French people (both men and women) have a longer life expectancy than in the UK and suffer less from weight-related pathologies. In general people who aren't fat are healthier if all other lifestyle influences are stripped out.
Edukator - I believe that Molly is trolling.
Even his first 'male chauvanist' comment is dripping with teh ironing.
There's a soda tax here on sugary soft drinks to discourage their consumption (and raise money of course).
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You have turned my word "jars" into "tins" and missed out the word "industrial" again.
I do not buy veg in jars OR tins. I don't think you can even get jars of veg here.
I was contributing to the discussion btw, you only seem to want to prove me wrong for your own benefit.
All I am saying is that the French also have national health issues, they are just different. I'm not saying better or worse. I pointed it out because I thought the debate was focusing on weight, which is not the whole picture.
The chauvinism comment was intended to open up the debate a bit. Is it the case (I don't know) that women are more of a slave to the kitchen and family than they are in other countries? After all, a lot of people eat convenience food because they would rather spend their time doing other things.
Spending ages preparing food is great if it's something you really want to be doing - it's not good to feel pressured into doing it (ad yes I know nice food doesn't have to take ages blablabla)
Every thread I post on Molgrips rubbishes what I say. The problem is that in doing so he gets insulting, misquotes, posts falacious information and generally makes a fool of himself. He has some kind of fixation on me because I dared disagree with iDave's no fruit, no cereals no white carbs, fad diet.
It's not "trolling" which is aimed at getting a general rise, it's a persoanl attack each time.
For the millionth time I don't care if you disagree with the idiet, I disagree with your conceited attitude and your poor logic. And the epithets I use are condemning your actions and arguments, not you personally. I don't know you, so that would not be right.
PS information can't be fallacious. Arguments can be.
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Preparing food is great if it's something you really want to be doing - it's not good to feel pressured into doing it.
Do you mean in the context of a family unit or pressured by society.
a lot of people eat convenience food because they would rather spend their time doing other things
Which, in the UK, mostly translates into "sitting on the sofa watching Sky"
Food & mealtimes is many cultures is an event in itself, the whole family is involved, time is spent making 'proper' food etc etc ...
Life expectancy for Western Europeans seems to be much of a muchness in whatever country. The odd couple of months difference here and there.
If the diets are so widely different, it makes you wonder if the UKs diet is really that bad [from a nutrition POV]
Which, in the UK, mostly translates into "sitting on the sofa watching Sky"
Pah, speak for yourself! Stereotyping everyone in Britian as a lazy slob is not accurate and not very nice.
Do you mean in the context of a family unit or pressured by society.
Almost entirely overlapping, no?
Well in that case enter debate rather than callin me a "prick" or a "tit", or replying to a factually correct statement I have made with "do they hell". In the UK industrial beans and carrots have added sugar so your "do they hell" demostrates your own ignorance, Molgrips.
Your first post on this thread was benign, as soon as I posted with a factually correct and constructive post you attacked me with "do they hell". You have a fixation and are trying to start a vendetta. You would perhaps do better getting your fad-diet friend to refund the STW members he has taken money from but provided no service to.
where can I get some of these mythical veggies in jars? are they pickled? will my local restaurant* have them?
*chippy
Almost entirely overlapping, no?
Errr no.
Someone pressuring their wife to cook would make them a dick.
Not appreciating the benefits of good food and being unwilling to make the effort sounds like laziness IMO. Society should educate those people not to be idiots.
