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Every thread I post on Molgrips rubbishes what I say. The problem is that in doing so he gets insulting, misquotes, posts falacious information and generally makes a fool of himself. He has some kind of fixation on me because I dared disagree with iDave's no fruit, no cereals no white carbs, fad diet.
It's not "trolling" which is aimed at getting a general rise, it's a persoanl attack each time.
For the millionth time I don't care if you disagree with the idiet, I disagree with your conceited attitude and your poor logic. And the epithets I use are condemning your actions and arguments, not you personally. I don't know you, so that would not be right.
PS information can't be fallacious. Arguments can be.
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Preparing food is great if it's something you really want to be doing - it's not good to feel pressured into doing it.
Do you mean in the context of a family unit or pressured by society.
a lot of people eat convenience food because they would rather spend their time doing other things
Which, in the UK, mostly translates into "sitting on the sofa watching Sky"
Food & mealtimes is many cultures is an event in itself, the whole family is involved, time is spent making 'proper' food etc etc ...
Life expectancy for Western Europeans seems to be much of a muchness in whatever country. The odd couple of months difference here and there.
If the diets are so widely different, it makes you wonder if the UKs diet is really that bad [from a nutrition POV]
Which, in the UK, mostly translates into "sitting on the sofa watching Sky"
Pah, speak for yourself! Stereotyping everyone in Britian as a lazy slob is not accurate and not very nice.
Do you mean in the context of a family unit or pressured by society.
Almost entirely overlapping, no?
Well in that case enter debate rather than callin me a "prick" or a "tit", or replying to a factually correct statement I have made with "do they hell". In the UK industrial beans and carrots have added sugar so your "do they hell" demostrates your own ignorance, Molgrips.
Your first post on this thread was benign, as soon as I posted with a factually correct and constructive post you attacked me with "do they hell". You have a fixation and are trying to start a vendetta. You would perhaps do better getting your fad-diet friend to refund the STW members he has taken money from but provided no service to.
where can I get some of these mythical veggies in jars? are they pickled? will my local restaurant* have them?
*chippy
Almost entirely overlapping, no?
Errr no.
Someone pressuring their wife to cook would make them a dick.
Not appreciating the benefits of good food and being unwilling to make the effort sounds like laziness IMO. Society should educate those people not to be idiots.
You can get jars of veg in any French supermarket. The contact of the foodstuffs with material containing Bisphenol A is much reduced or eliminated. Less chance in infertility, hormonal imbalances or cancers then.
The reason is exceptionally simple, and has nothing to do with red wine, big macs or anything like that.
They eat less than we do.
"I loves me a good debate" says Gerard Depardieu.
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They eat less than we do
take your common sense elsewhere
I spent a lot of time in France during the 90's and early 00's and still have mates who live in Pau/Bordeaux/Dinard/LaRochelle.
Whilst living over there I used to walk past a huge McD's in Bordeaux with queues 3 deep, so saying all Frenchies don't eat McD's is a little incorrect.
However if you do go out of the big cities, even large Towns there are very very few take away/fast food emporiums to entice the taste buds.
All my mates never touch fast food, to them a Pizza is about as close as it gets. Most eat local, are proud to eat local and will continue to eat local. They say if they can't find something local to eat that's in season they'll choose something else that is and build a meal around that.
None smole, all drink wine like there is a shortage of it.
They are all very proud of their farming comminity, will happily pay for whats in season and local and don't blink an eyelid at the cost of local produce.
We, here, well most, couldn't give a shite about our local food and producers. I'd suggest most couldn't name one local (to them) sourced produce. I can. I eat local.
They eat less than we do
Ah, so Brits are generally lazy AND greedy ...
Anyhow, so far 10 minutes of TF1's one o'clock news has been devoted to food. We've had honey, sea food and deserts. There is currently a man fishing, how long before they discuss cooking his catch? The camera moves to the kitchen as I type... .
Edukator - MemberEvery thread I post on Molgrips rubbishes what I say. The problem is that in doing so he gets insulting, misquotes, posts falacious information and generally makes a fool of himself.
molgrips - MemberFor the millionth time I don't care if you disagree with the idiet, I disagree with your conceited attitude and your poor logic
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judging from a programme that was on ITV4 last night, its nowt to do with diet, the French all seem to do lots of exercise, mainly cycling around in packs
They look pretty quick too
It's surprising considering that chasing snails isn't a very energetic sport.
But seriously, when I worked in France it was normal to have business meetings in the morning, set off for home but then at about 13h00 turn off the autoroute and drive into the nearest town where we would repair to a proper restaurant and enjoy a leisurely lunch, all fresh ingredients washed down with a decent wine. This was possible because you could stop at any town and count on finding half a dozen decent restaurants within a few yards of the car park.
In the UK good restaurants are the exception rather than the rule and damned expensive too, so the normal lunch consists of cheap industrial ingredients bought on the world market by the shipload and converted into something edible by food chemists then wolfed down in a miasma of hot cooking fat at a motorway services.
On top of that the French still mostly drink wine rather than cans of high carbohydrate Europiss bought cheap from a supermarket.
Has anyone bothered to look at a tin/jar of industrial beans or carrots to see if I'm right about added sugars yet?
Nope. I just believe you instead.
The down side of eating lunch in a restaurant or at home is four rush hours a day rather than two. A present I'm waiting for the traffic to die down before cycling to the pool.
The life expecatancy for french men is 1 year less than english men.
So maybe we are just a bunch of happy fatties!
Our women are farked though with 2 years less than their french cousins. So us men get a year longer to enjoy the company of our overwieght and closer to death womenfolk.
🙁
When I worked in Paris, horseburger and chips from Roger la Frite in Montparnesse wasn't uncommon. frankly, a bigmac and fries would have been tastier and heathier. As for these 24 hour lunch breaks of freshly caught sea truffles served by scantily clad serving wenches? Utter bollocks IME. I worked in hotels, got a half hour lunch break, staff canteen. One was good, food from the hotel restaurant, another was as average as average can be
Has anyone bothered to look at a tin/jar of industrial beans or carrots to see if I'm right about added sugars yet?
All I could see was this
or this
Continuez, s'il vois plait
Ces't tres droll, non?
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The life expency of French men born in 2011 is [url= http://www.insee.fr/fr/themes/tableau.asp?reg_id=0&ref_id=NATnon02229 ]78.2[/url]. Would people sating English men live longer kindly link a reliable source to beat that. Wiki is out of date. French life expectancy contiues to rise unlike some countires where medical science is failing against an epedemic of fat related ills.
Has anyone bothered to look at a tin/jar of industrial beans or carrots
who buys tinned/ jarred vegetables? my Nan used to. she's 92. she lived on a diet of tinned meat, tinned potatoes, sweetcorn and sweets. now she just eats sweets despite the fact that she has diabetes.
[url= http://www.essentiallycatering.co.uk/issue10/Opening-the-lid-on-canned-food/ ]Sugar has been eliminated from tinned veg since I last shopped in the UK, good.[/url]
If they ever ban bisphenol A tinned food will be back on the menu.
[url= http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/#/asda-compare-prices/tinned_vegetables/bonduelle_extra_small_baby_carrots_in_water_sugar_and_salt_added_200g.html ]However in reality[/url], the ASDA site confirms my last shopping experience.
[url= http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/#/shelves/tinned_vegetables_in_tesco.html ]and corn with aded sugar[/url]
the ASDA site confirms my last shopping experience
Bonduelle are a French company aren't they.......
Just eat less if you don't want to become a fatty. 🙄
Processed food by those big organisation will never be healthy no matter what spin they put on.
Yes, they are partly to be blamed for processed food but then you are the foolish ones that keep eating them.
Oh yes, those McDon*ld taste good and you can still eat them like once a month if you like no harm at all, but then when you treat them as a meal (it's not a meal ... junk food they are) you are doomed to become a walrus with thunder thighs.
Yes, bonduelle are French. My Googling so far suggests that if you buy branded veg in tins in the UK there will probably be added sugar, however, the supermarket own brands are generally rightly proud to be sugar free. progress. But "do they hell" was totally unjustified as many still do.
We, here, well most, couldn't give a shite about our local food and producers. I'd suggest most couldn't name one local (to them) sourced produce. I can. I eat local.
I'm lucky* that I live on the Lancashire plain. Near enough every farm has a shop selling you a wide variety pf freeshly grown, in season food..
I look out of the front of my house and see a butcher selling organic beef. I look out of the back of the house and see the cows that are turned into that organic beef.
*for food, not for riding bikes up and down hills.
So being relatively unfamiliar with processed foods, is the sugar in tinned veg intended as a flavour enhancer or a preservative ?
I'm lucky* that I live on the Lancashire plain. Near enough every farm has a shop selling you a wide variety pf freeshly grown, in season food..
Looks out of kitchen window at food ............ just growing etc.
Loads of veg, fruit [which we know is awfully bad for you 😉 ], chickens, herbs etc, etc
Loads of strawberries and tomatoes this year:-)
replying to a factually correct statement I have made
Sorry, what was that about being factually correct again?
Well in that case enter debate rather than callin me a "prick" or a "tit"
I haven't called you anything bad this thread. Even though your attitude is egregious. I called you bad names on the last one because you were behaving in a bad way and thoroughly deserved those names.
And as for entering debate - it's all I do on here. I posted page and pages of constructed argument and you ignored it. This is partly why I think your actions deserved (on that occasion) the bad names.
Anyway this is stupid. What are we trying to prove? That the French eat better than the Brits on average? This is well known. That British tinned veg has sugar? Well a) a lot doens't and b) hardly anyone eats tinned veg anyway. That the French are all virtuously healthy? Not true. That spending lots of time and money on food is a good thing? That depends on your viewpoint, either is valid.
When I worked in Paris, horseburger and chips from Roger la Frite in Montparnesse wasn't uncommon. frankly, a bigmac and fries would have been tastier and heathier. As for these 24 hour lunch breaks of freshly caught sea truffles served by scantily clad serving wenches? Utter bollocks IME. I worked in hotels, got a half hour lunch break, staff canteen. One was good, food from the hotel restaurant, another was as average as average can be
Paris is not typical of France. I love France as a whole, but can't abide Paris. Many French feel the same.
Generally I find food in France (and Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands) is of a higher quality, fresh stuff is cheaper and even the canned/prepared etc stuff is not as packed full of crap. There's plenty of crap to eat if you want of course but it doesn't seem to be the larger part of the shops unlike in the UK. People seem far more likely to cook from fresh and that most towns have bi-weekly markets backs this up. Where I lived in the UK last, we had one "farmers market" a month.
It's also a generalisation but I find it puzzling how in the UK, fruit trees/bushes in public places are just left alone. Each year I get 10kg of mirabelles and plums from trees near my house and almost nobody else bothers with them. Same with brambles. I've been camping and picked fresh watercress from streams and people looked at me like I was a mentalist.
So I guess my summary is that there seems to be a healthier attitude to food in general and that reflects on people.
I didn't particularly enjoy the food in Germany, to be honest. Big emphasis on jarred veg and also very little choice. The convenience food there was was awful - in the UK you can get some excellent ready made stuff that ISN'T full of crap. Most sausages weren't so nice either apart from the French style bratwurst which were lovely. There was also hardly any beef available.
I couldn't find anything to hold a candle to Waitrose in the suburbs of Munich.
FTR the brambles around us are stripped bare - the ones within reach at least.
The convenience food there was was awful
Come on Mol, how about Curry Wurst, thats epic!!
That spending lots of time and money on food is a good thing? That depends on your viewpoint, either is valid.
If it's conducive to being thinner / healthier... does that have an impact on your viewpoint?
Do you eat fresh home cooked food Molly? Edukator does...
Currywurst? Awful stuff. I'm steering clear after a couple of tries at places German friends told me are "Really good" as their concept of good seems different to mine.
FTR the brambles around us are stripped bare - the ones within reach at least.
Good. Maybe it's just the part of Surrey my place is because when you overhear kids asking their parents "why are those people eating plants" you have to ask what's gone wrong. There's even a wild strawberry patch in my local park here and I get a couple from it most days. Cherries out in the countryside and I've already got the apple trees marked out for later in the year.
There will obviously be an element of diet involved ( the northern French are fatter drink more beer, and eat more carbs and grease) but i don't think it's the only thing. France has it's fair share of crap eateries (buffalo grill is always full and it is as bad as any burger bar)
The weather is better so it's easier to do stuff outdoors, the telly is awful so there is no incentive to stay on the sofa, sport for kids is actively encouraged/subsidised by the local authorities and schools etc. Also people seem to take their sport/exercise more seriously in France.
As I said though, things seem to be changing a bit.
The life expency of French men born in 2011 is 78.2. Would people sating English men live longer kindly link a reliable source to beat that. Wiki is out of date. French life expectancy contiues to rise unlike some countires where medical science is failing against an epedemic of fat related ills.
It was a wiki fired tounge in cheek comment implying all the women here are fat biffers. I couldn't give two sh*ts if life expectancy is actually higher in France or the UK.
If you are that angered by it I'd sugest updating the wiki page would be a good source for your rage, rather the arguing pointlessly with people on here.
If it's conducive to being thinner / healthier... does that have an impact on your viewpoint?
Well I dunno, it's perfectly possible to make healthy crap-free food without starting from scratch. There's nothing in Lloyd Grossman's spag bol sauce for instance that I wouldn't put in in my own kitchen:
Tomatoes (44%), Tomato Puree, Red Wine (6%), Celery, Onion, Carrot, Garlic, Sugar, Sunflower Oil, Sea Salt, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Concentrated Lemon Juice, Oregano, Basil, Black Pepper, Thyme, Nutmeg, Ground Bay Leaf
FTR the brambles around us are stripped bare - the ones within reach at least.
Are you sure?
They should still be in flower, not fruit
There's nothing in Lloyd Grossman's spag bol sauce for instance that I wouldn't put in in my own kitchen
Surely it also contains preservatives?
Plus from the ingredient list you've shown it's got nearly no veg in it. Sounds pretty shit to me.
Can't read it all because I have to go to an interview but :
general level of quality in food in France is falling.
Difference is mainly du to eating habits. When back for the UK, my mum noticed that every time I was out in town I had to eat something. And I didn't do that before coming to the UK.
I concur on the less processed food, and when it's processed it has less added stuff.
There's definitely not as much "Wandering around eating food" in France (excluding markets where its relatively common). People give me odd looks here if I eat my morning pastry whilst walking to the car. Likewise, walking around with a coffee is still quite a rarity outside cities with Starbucks etc.
I can only assume their home cooking is somewhat more healthy than the stuff their restaurants serve which seems to consist primarily of cream, cheese, salt and red wine. mmmmmmmm
Restaurants are that good, and supermarkets that bad that I can only assume that they don't cook at home and just eat out, but only once a week.
Must be a good life, being able to discriminate against fatties and Parisians, and kicking your cellulite free wife or mistress out of bed every couple of days to make you a small plate of salad
I would concur that you don’t see anywhere as many bifters in the general French population as in the UK.
But strangely my mother who moved back to the UK after living in France for 14 years said that most UK supermarkets now were way better than those in France in both quality & choice of fresh produce (sea food excepted though she did live mostly in Brittany)
I guess it might depend where you live but the quality of supermarkets in France on average seems a lot higher than the UK on average. Getting a tomato or fruit that is ripe and tastes like what it is in the UK can be a job unless you're buying the supermarket premium stuff.
There's definitely not as much "Wandering around eating food" in France
I think its only right to blame our glorious leaders who, quite frankly, have recently been setting a terrible example
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Plus from the ingredient list you've shown it's got nearly no veg in it
Apart from being half tomatoes, and having onion in it.
And it's not a meal in itself, it's a sauce. You add veg 🙄
Surely it also contains preservatives?
I don't see them on the list...?
Getting a tomato or fruit that is ripe and tastes like what it is in the UK can be a job unless you're buying the supermarket premium stuff.
So what you're saying is.. the expensive stuff tastes better.. is that news?
Why not just use a tin of tomatoes and chop up some onions and veg yourself?
Cos I can't make it taste as nice, and it's more effort. Why NOT buy a jar, if it's that good and wholesome?
Because it's lazy and it's not that good?
It describes itself as being packed with carrots, celery and wine.
With wine only accounting for 6% of the total sauce and carrots and celery beign even smaller proportions.
Do you honestly add extra veg or just pour it over some mince?
Apart from being half tomatoes
which are a fruit 🙂
If you like eating variations on a Mediterranean diet you'll be very much at home in a French market/supermarket.
If you like bread and cooked/cured meats and dairy products then Germany will feel like home.
I you like your stodge then a British supermarket is ace.
Just because foreign supermarkets don't have the things you like on the shelves doesn't make them worse, only different. I can't get Marmite in my local supermarket but it has an excellent selection of cheeses made from goat's milk or sheep's milk and Poulain drinking chocolate.
When I went into a Waitrose I was impressed by how many foreign products were on sale. Often at two or three times the price but the British consumer at least has to option: "you pays your money and takes your choice".
When I went into a Waitrose I was impressed by how many foreign products were on sale. Often at two or three times the price but the British consumer at least has to option: "you pays your money and takes your choice".
Does Carrefour not have a decent foreign selection?
I haven't been into Carrefour for years, Leclerc has very little foreign stuff. Lidl does a British promo every few months so they had peanut butter today.
It's quite funny don't you think that with all the pain au chocolat and coffee eaten that the French would be the size of a Northern Lass.
Odd non?
Did anyone see BBC news this morning ? The story about the guy who won the hotdog eating competition, didn't he eat 66 of the things.
Puts the Geordie lot to shame like dunnit .
It's just that Carrefour Madrid had an extensive range of British food, if that's your thing.
Does Carrefour not have a decent foreign selection?
Its where I get my baked beans from and Geeta's chutneys.
The beer is pish though, which is horses for courses as far as french beer is concerned. 33 Export anyone? Or would you prefer a Despé?
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FWIW, within 10 minutes from my front door, we have: Maccy D's x2, KFC, Subway and Quick. Plenty of fat people here.
Since most stw regulars are inn here, ou et TJ ?
Il est chez nos cousins celtiques, non?
I said less choice, not a different choice.
TJ disappeared after making some perfectly reasonable comments on a thread about a vid of some riders being thoroughly anti-social on their way down Ben Nevis on a bank holiday. He pointed out that they would have been better to choose another day and that if they did insist on riding then should have given way to pedestrians as right-thinking mountain bikers do. One of the people trying to justify the selfish behaviour of riders was... . To continue would break forum rules.
When I visit the continent it never ceases to amaze me how beautiful the food is but there aren't a lot of fat folk about.
Back to Paris for the first week in August JG. Can't wait!
French person here living in the uk .
In France
Portions are a lot smaller .
Not everything comes on same plate .
Lots more fresh products
every food advert on tv has a message about 5 a day .
But it is changing .
Can't wait to go back .
Does Carrefour not have a decent foreign selection?
They do, jaffa cake priced like gold, marmite, keetle crisps heinz tomato soup and Dr DEW drinks
Telly in Britain is a lot better then other European countries, so I'm guessing that a lot of Brits sit down to watch their favourite programms, while stuffing their faces with oversized grab bag this, bogof that and never move until it's time to waddle off to bed. imo of course.
ou et TJ ?
Well please stick to english...
Où est...
TJ disappeared after making some perfectly reasonable comments on a thread about a vid of some riders being thoroughly anti-social on their way down Ben Nevis on a bank holiday. He pointed out that they would have been better to choose another day and that if they did insist on riding then should have given way to pedestrians as right-thinking mountain bikers do. One of the people trying to justify the selfish behaviour of riders was... . To continue would break forum rules.
Not one of the team from STW Towers, I hope. No, it could never be that. Could it?
No. Silly idea. Of course they would never defend idiotic asshats riding in a selfish, arrogant manner which would damage the reputation of the vast majority of decent mountain bike riders.
So, it wasn't one of the team from STW Towers. I wonder who else it could have been.
Some useful info to put the cause into context
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorleywood_bread_process
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/11/why-our-food-is-making-us-fat
Basically it is zee Germans fault, and your mums
Edukator - MemberIf you like eating variations on a Mediterranean diet you'll be very much at home in a French market/supermarket.
Just like my local Sainsburys & Aldi
Just because foreign supermarkets don't have the things you like on the shelves doesn't make them worse, only different.
Any other rice than some Uncle Bens shite (Carhaix Plouger Brittany) wanted some Risotto rice (3 different types in my local Sainsburys)
When I went into a Waitrose I was impressed by how many foreign products were on sale. Often at two or three times the price but the British consumer at least has to option: "you pays your money and takes your choice".
I found unless it was French you were stuffed.
My French is a bit rusty/sparse but I successfully managed a 50% discount on some fruit & veg in Leclerc as all that was on offer was so poor in quality and selection.
Like others have said I think the main problem is people not what is available in the shops.
There were at least 30 different types of pasta in the supermarket in Florence, some of which I'd never seen anywhere ouside of Italy. How many in Sainsburys or Leclerc? Is that an issue for me? No.
Supermarkets sell what sells. They choose products on the the basis of DPP (direct product profitability) and profit per metre of shelf space. Farmers do the same. If the farmer with a stall on the local market can't sell something he'll grow something else.
Watching what other shoppers put in their trolleys is always informative. Extremes I've seen include an old couple in an ex-RDA village with just a huge sack of spuds and a bottle of vodka, and a young woman in my local supermarket with only soft drinks and bags of sweets. British trolleys contain lots of industrial cakes and indusrial ready meals.
Edit: so is TJ banned, on holiday, or has he recently got himself a life?