The whole thing (no penalty for lat weeks stunt, the fallout where drivers don’t know where they stand overtaking/being overtaken on then outside and now this blatant slam dunk under yellows) absolutely stinks. I’m with reluctantjumper on this one, gonna save my time and money if they start taking the piss with the overall governance of the sport. I hope Hamilton gets his 8th WDC sealing his status as the GOAT regardless of this nonsense.
3 place drop for bottas
5 for Max:
😁
5 place penalty for Verstappen
Edit: I was too slow, yellow flags innit
I was wrong nothing unusual.
Kind of funny how the Max document needs a much longer explanation than the Bottas one.
It seems that Bottas just said "yeah I didn't see it, sorry" whereas Max tried to argue his way out of it.
Horner >>> Gasly…
“Now then Pierre - about your future in the Red Bull family. A little defensive action will help your prospects”! 🤣🤣🤣
Horner claiming it was a rogue marshall who just stuck his flags out
Red Bull AlphaTauri’d for the third race running.
Max came through 16 seconds after Gasly stopped.
If that is true Twodogs it’s a new low for Horner to suggest bias amongst the Marshalls. In every form of motor racing at every level it’s the Marshalls at trackside who you obey first and foremost.
muffin - man I new low for horner can he get an lower than he is?
The thing is that Max can and should regain 2nd place which, based on practice, is probably where they would be if he started 2nd on the grid. Heck I've even heard of people winning after having worse starting positions...
So will Max be mature enough play the long game, play it safe at the start and realise he has 10s of laps to work his way through the field or will he try to do it by the exit of Turn 1?
Horner claiming it was a rogue marshall who just stuck his flags out
Just saw his interview with the Sky crew, he really doesn't get it does he? He tried to argue that Massi should have ultimate control of the flag lights, completely ignoring that the marshalls at every post are highly trained, can react instantly to any incident and are the ones ultimate yputting their lives on the line. A marshall over on the Pistonheads forum has said categorically that if he was overruled like it seems happened on the incident in question (the electronic system was quickly showing yellow/clear/yellow/clear whilst the yellow flags were being waved) then he would refuse to marshall under those circumstances, as would a lot of his colleagues. The flags always have precedence according to the FIA and BRDC rulebook as the electronic system can fail, so a yellow flag overrules a green light, red flag overrules a yellow light etc. The only exception would be a yellow or red light with no flags being waved.
Also there's a rumour most of the paddock is calling Horner 'Karen' which suits him perfectly!
So, Hamilton starting on the medium tyre with Gasly, Alonso, and Norris starting on softs. Realistic chance of Alonso leading at the end of lap 1.
The off-track shenanigans and the annoying habit of the media of feeding off it all and bigging up the "conflict" is getting incredibly tiresome.
Red Bull being whiny little bitches about anything and everything they can possibly find, arguing every single corner and manoeuvre just sounds like the kid in the playground who'd be happy beating the other kids up for their sweets but as soon as the same happened to him, he'd be running to the teacher. Sir, Sir, he said nasty things to me!
Realistic chance of Alonso leading at the end of lap 1.
All things being equal, the Mercedes will leave the Alpine for dust won't it?
Horner is maybe doing his job in fighting for his team, but arguing against slam-dunk penalties just makes him look pathetic.
Perhaps his job is at risk? As since the 4 titles in a row for Vettel Red Bull have underperformed. And the golden era was down to Newey’s skills as a designer as Horners man-management was lacking back then too.
All things being equal, the Mercedes will leave the Alpine for dust won’t it?
Alpine on soft tyres, and the better side of the grid....(or have I got that wrong)..definitely soft tyres
If Lewis gets a good start he should be OK as the run to turn 1 isn’t too long. Yep, Alonso starting behind Lewis on the good side of the grid on Softs.
All things being equal, the Mercedes will leave the Alpine for dust won’t it?
Hamilton has Gasly next to him with Alonso in P3 and Norris in P4. Hamilton is on medium tyres, the others all on softs. It'll depend on who gets a good launch, but Hamilton knows that the points are awarded for the final lap, not the first lap so will aim to avoid trouble on lap 1. If Hamilton doesn't get a clean launch off the line, he'll probably just let Gasly and Alonso ahead for the first lap and pass them later on.
Surprised they didn’t change Max’s front wing at that stop if it is damaged. Losing half a second a lap will leave him exposed to Bottas.
Losing half a second a lap will leave him exposed to Bottas
Not any more!
Bit of a strategic cock up by Merc to be leaving Bottas out there for so long that his tyres fell to pieces.
Honestly if Bottas fell into a barrel of tits he'd come out sucking his thumb
Front left tyres...
That was all a bit dull.
Ahahahahaha...Karen's been summoned to the stewards for alleged breach of sporting regs....presumably his comment about "a rogue marshall" 😂
Very dull shame about Bottas.
Horner in full Grovel mode on Sky right now 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
Horner in full Grovel mode on Sky right now
damn...missed it..what did he say?
He basically apologised without apologising for calling the marshalls who threw the yellow flag during Q3 'rogue' and saying that Massi should have them under tighter control. He didn't day he was apologetic for the comments he made, just that he was sorry that they caused any offence. Not once did he actually apologise and say it was wrong. It was hilariously painful to watch him squirm as Button revelled in his uncomfortableness and Ted, who had just been doing a piece to camera about how naughty Horner had been, trying his best to hide while still hearing what Horner had to say.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving person 😂
He didn’t day he was apologetic for the comments he made, just that he was sorry that they caused any offence.
How very 21st century.
Some opprobrium for Christian Horner here
Laying into the opposing team is understandable but having a go at the marshalls is not ok. I'm glad he's been pulled up on this here
Does anyone else want to see those curbs at all the other race tracks too? It would def stop the drivers defining the track limits as they see fit, and it definitely added a fair bit of excitement watching Alonso nursing his tyres home to finish 3rd
No great surprise to see Coulthard referring to "a rogue steward". The FIA should ban him from attending the next race 😁
Marks out of ten for the designer of that racetrack?
No great surprise to see Coulthard
I’ve been satisfied with my one month Now TV purchase. Should get three GPs in plus I might get to see Brentford.
Listening to Coulthard I didn’t realise Horner was running a4 car team. What does the alpha tauri team head do all year apart from whatever Horner tells him to
Why, yet again was Bottas pottering round in 11 Ty for so long? He made a lousy start and then didn’t seem interested in doing anything about it until toto gave him the hurry up
Some opprobrium for Christian Horner here
He undid all of that later though: (from the BBC)
In the news conference he called to issue this apology, it was pointed out to him that in recent days he had accused Wolff of buckling under the pressure, criticised FIA officials, and effectively accused Mercedes of cheating. Did he have any regrets about the way he had conducted himself, he was asked?
"No not at all," he said. "I believe in my team. I am a straight-talker. I have always conducted myself in that manner. I am not an overly emotional person. I don't rant to cameras.
"I think the way I've conducted myself, I've got no issues with. I'd do exactly the same [again]. The only issue regarding any marshal, was if there was any personal offence taken for referencing a rogue yellow flag; [it] was not intended at any individual.
"I don't know whether you heard the interview I gave this morning, but I don't think it was unreasonable."
So basically a non-apology apology. If you read between the lines about the rogue marshall comment not being targeted at an individual he's actually tarring them all with the same brush. The man doesn't know when to stop digging does he 🤣
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Why, yet again was Bottas pottering round in 11 Ty for so long? He made a lousy start and then didn’t seem interested in doing anything about it until toto gave him the hurry up
Yes it was very bottas. To be kind maybe the plan was to tyre save to go long.
On McLaren, Danny ric said they had some kind of problem which meant they spent the whole race fuel saving. Not sure if that was just him or both cars.
Horner using the past exonerative in his apology:
"Some comments were made, I think in our interview earlier..."
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/past_exonerative
