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I didn't take Hamilton's comment to mean fisticuffs
Neither did I, more that they should talk it out in person not through the media. Learning from the Nico media spats of the last few years but yes, he could have phrased it better!
(although it would have been funny to have seen a repeat of the Coulthard/Schumacher agro after Schumi did similar in heavy rain and then blamed Coulthard).
Coulthard has since said that crash was more his fault as he lifted off but stayed on the racing line whereas the understanding between the divers is to move offline then lift off to let a car overtake.
Yeah, but can "someone" apply further sanctions over and above the pathetically lenient 10s stop and go? Wasn't Rossi's punishment doled out by race officials at the time?
(No idea about DC...he was just being thick, maybe)
I think Mercedes could appeal the decision and the FIA would need to justify why an increased penalty was not applied. Think back to Schumacher in 1997, he kept his race wins but was disqualified entirely from the championship for intentionally driving into Villeneuve. I don't think you can say that swerving into someone is better when it's earlier in the championship rather than the last round. After all, chances are that Vettel and Hamilton will be battling for the title for the rest of the year.
I doubt Merc will appeal though.
What would be the grounds for appeal though? Mercedes were not harmed in any way by the incident, if there had been damage then it would be a very different matter.
The Schumacher-Villneuve incident was totally different, as Schumacher was looking to wipe him out (worst attempt at wiping someone out ever seen mind you) at racing speed. Would be a stretch to say that Vettel was trying to take Hamilton out of the race when they were trundling along.
The Schumacher-Coulthard incident was totally different again. As above, Coulthard stayed on line and Schumacher was blinded by the conditions and it was full race-pace again
Could the bumps from Vettel have unsettled the headrest from its locating pin? Not outside the realms of possibility.. (I think!) but no one seems to have considered in the media? I've looked at the footage a few times and it doesn't appear to move or jump immediately.. but could have weakened something that became loose later.
Nah. If that's all it takes to unsettle safety equipment then it would be Mercedes in line for a baw toeing
Edit - Double post
Hamilton mostly talks in lifestyle guru spiel. I'd prefer it if he was offering people outside every week.
+1
When Senna was doing it - it was fine - but oh shit when Hamilton simply suggests it everyone loses their minds.
What would be the grounds for appeal though? Mercedes were not harmed in any way by the incident, if there had been damage then it would be a very different matter
I think they could say that they'd breached some basic requirements of the FIA regulations. For example:
Obligation of fairness
All FIA Licence-Holders and all Participants in International Events must
not, in any way whatsoever, infringe the principles of fairness in competition,
behave in an unsportsmanlike manner or attempt to infl uence
the result of a competition in a way that is contrary to sporting ethics, in
particular within the context of betting on the competitions registered on
the International Sporting Calendar.
I think ramming would be considered by most as "unsportsmanlike behaviour". Potentially Vettel's superlicense could be revoked but obviously that's excessive in this case.
When Senna was doing it - it was fine
Senna actually punched people too, memorably, Eddie Irvine. From memory, he didn't get penalised for it as it was after scruitineering and therefore outside the race meeting.
Surely the incident is made more serious because it happened when the safety car was on the track?
There's been a lot of controversy over the leading driver deliberately driving too slowly behind a safety car, but this is beyond the pale. I'm amazed that Vettel got away with a ten second penalty, for once the conspiracy theorists have a point about Ferrari seemingly being treated with leniency that would be denied to other teams' drivers.
And it's been over three decades since we had an on-track Formula One punch up. The incidents with Mansell and Senna and Senna and Irvine all happened off track.
Splendid.
atlaz - Member
I think they could say that they'd breached some basic requirements of the FIA regulations. For example:
They absolutely could, but then they'd have to go in saying that they want a harsher penalty just because he was bad, very bad. Can't see it happening, as what happened is currently great for the sport and it's their (Mercedes) own fault that they weren't able to gain further from it.
Like I said, I doubt it'd happen. I think the biggest chance is the FIA decide to revisit the marshals decision in light of Vettel's apparent ramming of Hamilton but this would require the FIA to want to ruin the title race by removing one of the contenders.
That said, 9 points on his license... could make life interesting as the stress ramps up.
Not really. It's only really an issue for the next race and he will be on his best behaviour.
After that, it's more than a year since the first infringement and 2 points will fall away.
The Schumacher-Coulthard incident was totally different again. As above, Coulthard stayed on line and Schumacher was blinded by the conditions and it was full race-pace again
IIRC DC was asked to move to the right of the track and slow to allow MS to pass. Trouble was, the right was the racing line where he chose to do it. For whatever reason, MS didn't hear/understand/get told what was happening so kerblam. Ferrari took the blame for that one fairly and squarely.
Remember watching it with some disbelief as Mclaren then sent DC back out.
Sebby does seem to get away lightly, after effing and jeffing at Charlie in Mexico he could've been punished a lot more but got away with that too. Hamilton reverses 3 feet in the pitlane and they get the cuffs out... Go figure.
Still, adds a bit of spice just in time for Silverstone in a couple of weeks. Anyone going?
In other news, McLaren have somehow collected two points!
*waits for McLaren fail scrutineering news*
Mclaren still last in the wdc though. They've still got to catch the leaderless team who developed the 2017 car with no budget while the team was being sold and who are using last year's engine.
To balance that, "last years engine" was pretty good.
This years Honda, less so.
Senna actually punched people too, memorably, Eddie Irvine.
Nothing unsporting about punching Eddie Irvine.
He'll only have 7 by the start of the next race and then only 4, after another pair of races.That said, 9 points on his license... could make life interesting as the stress ramps up.
Who was it that said street circuits are shit? 😳
Another cracking race. Loving it there's some animosity back, it was all getting to nicey nicey.
Vettel: [i]where did I do dangerous driving?[/i]
Rest of the world: [i]**** off Seb.[/i]
Just caught up on this. Bloody hell. Like hamo days, I'm glad my 4 year old didn't see vettel's behaviour.
Nothing unsporting about punching Eddie Irvine.
Indeed.
Can we add Eddie Jordan and David Coulthard to that list too?
Yes we can
If EJ was on the list you'd never get past that. I'd imagine he's someone you'd never get tired of slapping
DC came across as a right bellend on the podium on Sunday so he's definitely on the list.
Actually.
Can I move DC and EJ across from the punching list to the shoeing list please?
Does Flav have a list all of his own? How he's still allowed anywhere near an F1 event is a mystery to me. Probably the same 'justice' system that applied to Seb on Sunday...
[url= http://sniffpetrol.com/2017/06/27/yea-i-murdered-a-homeless-guy-so-what-by-sebastian-vettel/ ]Yea, I murdered a homeless guy. So what?[/url]
He'll only have 7 by the start of the next race and then only 4, after another pair of races.
Still has 9 at the next race, then drops to 7 before Silverstone. He'll be behaving in Austria I'm sure.
Lets be honest it's all good for F1, adds a bit of spice. Senna and Schumacher were hardly shy and retiring when it came to punting other cars out the way, so why should Vettel be. I'm all for it, about time F1 got interesting again.
Still needs less aero shit hanging off them so you can crash with less risk though
[quote=njee20 ]Silverstone. He'll be behaving in Austria I'm sure.
I'm wondering whether anybody will make a deliberate attempt to wind him up. The thing is though, given the way he sometimes reacts will he remember until it's too late if put in that sort of situation - he does seem prone to a descent of the red mist
But you could argue that brings the safety car out and spices things up a bit?
Has anyone mentioned Lulu demanding, over the radio, that Valteri should slow down to create turbulence for Vettel?
No clear #1 driver at Mercedes? Yeah, right.
This wouldn't be so bad but Lewis has made thinly-veiled digs at Ferrari for favouring Vettel over Kimi. 😕
Has anyone mentioned Lulu demanding, over the radio, that Valteri should slow down to create turbulence for Vettel?No clear #1 driver at Mercedes? Yeah, right.
Well, no, he said "if Valtteri's not racing anyone can he slow down to block Vettel?", they said "no, he's chasing Stroll and we don't want Vettel to get DRS".
He can ask all he wants (and I can't see Bottas asking), but that doesn't suggest favouritism, it was a very clear "negative" from the team.
Has anyone mentioned Lulu demanding....
Big fan then?
I was before he went all Hollywood on us. I'd say I was more Lulu-neutral now. (please tell me he's not a scientologist 😆 )
Did other posters get a telling-off for referring to Nico as Britney?
Wasn't LH suggesting he back the pack up under the second safety car to allow Bottas to catch up whilst unlapping himself?
Or something similar. I seem to remember Brundle pointing it out.
Wasn't LH suggesting he back the pack up under the second safety car to allow Bottas to catch up whilst unlapping himself?
I seem to remember something and the team reminding him to keep within 10 cars lengths of the SC.
bluearsedfly - Member
Wasn't LH suggesting he back the pack up under the second safety car to allow Bottas to catch up whilst unlapping himself?
Different part of the race
Has anyone mentioned Lulu demanding, over the radio, that Valteri should slow down to create turbulence for Vettel?No clear #1 driver at Mercedes? Yeah, right.
^what njee20 said.
Lewis didn't know Bottas's position in relation to other drivers. It wasn't a demand, just a suggestion that if Bottas wasn't fighting anyone he could drop back, hold Mr Finger up in the corners to give him a chance of passing.