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The full transcript is due on F1 fanatic later this week but this little snippet is on there...
Hamilton: “Guys if Valtteri can’t catch the man ahead, tell him to slow down a bit to cause a bad wake.”
Different part of the race
That's the one.
I was trying to point out it's not all take from LH.
And as I said, they said "no", so not sure where favouritism comes into it?
[quote=the-muffin-man ]It wasn't a demand, just a suggestion that if Bottas wasn't fighting anyone he could drop back, hold Mr Finger up in the corners to [s]give him a chance of passing.[/s] make the red mist descend so Mr Finger tried to punt Bottas off and got another penalty
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[quote=njee20 ]And as I said, they said "no", so not sure where favouritism comes into it?
In comes in from the haterz
Did other posters get a telling-off for referring to Nico as Britney?
sorry, my bad, forgot to add a 😆
njee20 - Member
And as I said, they said "no", so not sure where favouritism comes into it?
The team made the correct call as Valteri just managed to pass Stroll at the last possible moment.
Asking your team mate to mess with your nearest championship rival is within the rules but doesn't seem terribly Senna-esque to me.
I'm not sure that this is the first time Lewis has pulled rank this season but Bottas is on thin ice, contractually, so he won't make too much of a fuss when he gets the smelly end of the stick.
There's a long way to go, this season, so we'll just have to see how things play out regarding team orders and drivers with #1 status.
Errr - pulling rank is making stamping your feet, making a demand and people then cave in to it. Not asking a question and being turned down!
There's only one leading team with a No.1 prima-donna driver and a past-it No.2.
but Bottas is on thin ice, contractually,
Ooh, tell me more.
He's only got a one year deal - and a certain Spanish fella would like his seat next year! 😀
Just seen this! McLaren have completed more race laps than Red Bull so far this year... 😯
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-mileage-mclaren-f1-2017-924077/
It may not be over for Vettel
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(Why can't I get urls to work anymore?!
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Cos I'm not very bright?
Just caught up with this.
Amazing race, can they have it at Baku every weekend!
Is a 10 second stop go the harshest penalty that can be handed out during a race short of a black flag?
What did Maldonado get for running into Hamilton, not sure the two are directly comparable as I'm sure it was during qualifying rather than the race.
Is a 10 second stop go the harshest penalty that can be handed out during a race short of a black flag?
Apparently so
Twodogs - Member
linkCos I'm not very bright?
Interesting development. Presume it'll just be a slap on the wrist but should be good for adding some more tension to the championship nonetheless.
What Vettel did was beyond the pale - had he overtaken under the safety car, he'd have been sanctioned but stuffing into the back of Hamilton, then pulling onside to wave a finger at him and then sawing the wheel sideways and clashing wheels is simply not an acceptable way to gain a place. There's no way that a four-time world champ capable of placing a car with millimetre precision on a racetrack at 180mph swiped Hamilton by accident.
10 point deduction? Start from the pit lane next race?
I reckon missing a race would be a fair penalty but it would have undue effect on the WC so seems unlikely
So, I'll propose starting from the back of the grid next race or better still, losing his points from Az GP
Yep, should lose his points from that race
From a rather personal perspective, I did not enjoy the excitement in the latter half of that race. I was on for a stupendous amount of points from my Fantasy F1 team as I have Lewis, Vettel, Massa, Perez and Ocon in it.
Got to watch each one of them crash, retire, have dodgy headrest and get penaltied out of their winningsome places.
Jean Todt is current boss of FIA, ex Ferrari team principle, Vettel will get half an hour on the naughty step at the most, total farce, should have a minimum of points deduction, possibly one race ban.
Only happen if he infringes again and gets anther 3 points on his licence
Has anyone confirmed that Hamilton was within 10 car lengths of the safety car at the time Vettel went into the back? I assume he was, but if not it changes the complexion a little.
I'm still wanting to see what punishment Mercedes get for the failing safety equipment.....
Has anyone confirmed that Hamilton was within 10 car lengths of the safety car
He doesn't need to be once the safety car has signalled it's going in
Fair enough.
It's pretty clear cut.
LH didn't do anything wrong. SV made a mistake and in the heat of the moment massively over-reacted. Doesn't excuse it and doesn't do him any credit still denying that he cocked up.
If I was a betting man I'd put a tenner on sweet fa happening to Vettel other than lots of frowning from the powers that be.
If I was a betting man I'd put a tenner on sweet fa happening to Vettel other than lots of frowning from the powers that be.
Ditto - if Hamilton had won the race (which he would easily have done), the fallout wouldn't have been half as bad.
Yeh I'd agree he should just admit he's in the wrong - however I think the punishment for what he actually did is enough.
Driving into the back of LH was a racing incident and then the bit pulling alongside him wasn't dangerous really - just a bit of a weird and very unsportsman-like behaviour. Really wasn't impressed with that!
Having said that - if it wasn't for Vettel being a ridiculously competetive nutter we'd have another massive snorefest season where the other ridiculously competetive nutter Lewis hamilton just drives off at the start of every race and then wins all the time. Boring!
Nice guys usually finish last (well not consistently at the front) in F1 - it needs self obbsessed, tantrum throwing nutjobs to make it interesting. At the moment we have are lucky to have three great candidates to make it entertaining - Max V, LH and SV.
Anyway to summarise - what I'm trying to say is that Vettel is a ****. Long live the ****s and put them all into F1 cos they make the racing exciting!
(and don't punish Vettel to the point where he's out of contention for the title - cos its more exciting when there are more potential champs)
Vettel is a disgrace and got off lightly.
I'm still wanting to see what punishment Mercedes get for the failing safety equipment.....
Being ordered into the pit to fix it and losing 22 seconds not enough for you?
the bit pulling alongside him wasn't dangerous
No, but steering into him was a) potentially dangerous (could have damaged LH's suspnsion b) massively unsportsmanlike, and setting a crap example
Losing his points for that race would leave him in contention, but prove that the FIA care about safe driving, as they claim
Should've been a black and orange flag as soon as he was racing and faffing at the same time. Being less facetious, I do wonder if scrutineering had a look/word
I do wonder if scrutineering had a look/word
He was instructed to come in by the stewards.
"my car veered off cos my other hand was giving him the bird" Lewis should have taken a leaf out of footballs book and taken a "dive" and veered off into the barrier when seb hit him and then feigned injury. That should have got all his (seb) wdc points taken off him 😉
they were under the safety car they were not racingDriving into the back of LH was a racing incident
Strange how the race lap counter was going down. The pace of the race might be controlled but the race was still live.
He was instructed to come in by the stewards
I mean a proper look at the mechanism to see why it could fail.
Breaking news.......
[url= http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40431244 ]FIA to have meeting 3/7/17[/url]
Wonder if they'll put Seb on the naughty step?!
https://adamcooperf1.com/2017/06/28/fia-confirms-vettelhamilton-investigation/
Interesting point here on the Mexico points decision regarding setting an example. I know this is a different type of transgression but you could make a solid case that the point holds.
The governing body noted then: “The FIA will always condemn the use of offensive language in motor sport – especially when directed at officials and/or fellow participants – [b]and expects all participants in its Championships to be respectful and mindful of the example they set for the public and the younger generation in particular[/b].
they were under the safety car they were not racing
Grey area as it was coming up to restart. I'd argue that there is a competetive element to that.
Actually it's not. They're still under safety car conditions with the lead car taking on that role which is why you still can't overtake anyone. You can position all you like but there are rules for the lead car (which LH adhered to) and everyone else.
You can position all you like
Vettel's defence 😉
as noted the safety car is the equivalent of stopping the race and restarting except they go round in a procession with no one allowed to "race"
the race officially restarts
When the safety car is ready to leave the circuit it will extinguish its orange lights, indicating to the drivers that it will peel off. Drivers must continue in formation until they cross the first safety car line, where green lights will indicate they are free to race again. However, DRS will not be re-enabled until two racing laps have been completed.
Seems clear to me its a procession and not a race until the safety car has gone
Yes the race is still live but they are not allowed to race
therefore its not possible to have a "racing incident" as you are not actually racing. Its just a driver error/mistake/miscalculation or failure to follow the rules. same as if you ram someone on the procession lap - its not a racing incident in the sense it is usually applied
Aacch, he was just bumping shoulders to say "oi, hammerman dinnae be dayin' that eggen". 😉
PS does anyone else thing someone named Lewis Hamilton ought to be Scots?