Good evidence!
[quote=simondbarnes ]Either for all of the debris coming off Rosberg's car
That's what I was wondering, hence the leading question - you can hardly penalise a driver for passing a car which is causing yellow flags by dumping rubbish on the track. Though I presume NR being under investigation for not stopping effectively nullifies any penalty for overtaking him under yellow.
Will be interested to hear Nico "not my fault" Rosberg's reaction to the ruling, though somewhat disappointed it wasn't a 15s penalty to at least drop him a place (I'm nasty like that).
edit: have finally managed to watch the replay, and whilst I still can't spot the yellows, if it was where LH overtook NR, then almostly certainly for Perez as you see him in the barriers just after.
Why Britney?
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In response to a call from the pit wall at the 2006 Brazilian Grand Prix to let Williams team-mate Nico Rosberg pit first...
"Don't think so mate. Britney's in the wall"
We are looking like a bunch of idiots and it's disrespectful to 1500 people who work their nuts off to prepare the cars and this is why it needs to end.
Toto's comment above rather annoyed me - there are 1500 people working to build RACING cars - not 'after-you, no after-you kind sir' cars. Let them race or split them up and have a definite No.2 in one of the cars.
Yes I believe team orders are allowed so if you don't want them to scratch the paintwork tell them to hold station. Otherwise leave them alone and don't whinge - though in this case I did think Nico was out of order and got what he deserved, a drop from 1st to 4th.
Presumably team orders today would have told LH not to try to get past? So penalising the driver who wasn't to blame for the incident (according to the stewards). In fact isn't it going to be LH penalised most of the time by team orders? And isn't it NR who's been responsible for most of the incidents? So NR now has added incentive to create another incident...
In fact isn't it going to be LH penalised most of the time by team orders?
I suppose that depends upon who they think will consistently win them more points. In the past few years, that has to be LH. Also, assuming they take into account that the rest of the pack will eventually catch them technologically (and Ferrari already are except they keep screwing the strategy), who's more likely to come out best in a scrap? That definitely has to be LH.
But, it's a German manufacturer, run by German management, and NR is ze German driver. Who knows....
[quote=zokes ]I suppose that depends upon who they think will consistently win them more points.
I thought the suggestion was that team orders would be to maintain station, and given NR is incapable of passing LH on the track...
Presumably team orders today would have told LH not to try to get past?
Not necessarily.
LH spent 3.5 seconds longer in the pits waiting for his tyres to be fitted. If he was within 3.5 seconds of Rosberg the team could fairly ask him to let him by.
LH was told towards the end (not sure which lap) that it was 'Hammer time' which doesn't suggest 'hold station'
[quote=aracer ]Will be interested to hear Nico "not my fault" Rosberg's reaction to the ruling
Well there's a surprise:
[quote=Nico "not my fault" Rosberg]"They gave me the blame, which sucks," he said. "I'm of a different opinion, but that doesn't help."
I loved that he said he "didn't expect Lewis to turn in".
Why the hell not? That's what generally happens when you get to a corner!
Yeah, that was the funniest part - in Nico's head LH was supposed to keep going straight off the track because Nico had the inside. I'm not sure he's yet worked out that the racing line isn't to drive straight past the apex, and that actually he doesn't have the right to push other drivers off the track in the middle of a corner.
It looks like Mercedes have decided Nico should be given the title this year but the other driver hasn't gotten the memo or has chosen to ignore it.
I'm sure Hamilton's car will begin suffering from a lack of reliability until the points gap opens back up to a comfortable distance again. 👿
It looks like Mercedes have decided Nico should be given the title this year
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I take it you didn't read as far as Paddy Lowe's explanation? LH was on the right tyre.
If Rosberg drives as badly as he did on that last lap, for the rest of the season then it'll be Hamilton's anyway.
cheers Klunk, really enjoyed that, thanks for posting
So how long can the Merc duo remain together? From these comments by Lauda, then tensions aren't anywhere near easing!...
And talk of suspensions...
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10412603/mercedes-could-suspend-lewis-hamilton-and-nico-rosberg
...I might put a tenner on Lewis taking that Ferrari seat next to Vettel.
Weren't they on different tyres because Britney had run out of Softs?
If he was within 3.5 seconds of Rosberg the team could fairly ask him to let him by
Seriously?
the-muffin-man - Member...I might put a tenner on Lewis taking that Ferrari seat next to Vettel.
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Ferrari seem to prefer having a definite first and second driver though. Don't think Hamilton or Vettel would be up for that!
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Weren't they on different tyres because Britney had run out of Softs?
Yes, this was made clear on the Channel 4 highlights but it might have been missed on the Sky coverage
In an ideal world, Merc want a German champion. With LH in the same team, that's not going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if LH wins his 4th world championship, then leaves, so NR can win next year.
I watched it on sky so it was defo mentioned there.
I'd sooner finger my own arse* and sell my soul to Murdoch rather than watch anything with Eddie Jordan in it.
*May not actually be true.
Not much EJ, which is good. Apparently he'll there for Silverstone though, lucky us!
Weren't they on different tyres because Britney had run out of Softs?
Not quite. LH had an extra set of softs to use on Friday to evaluate tyre wear. He didn't use them because of the rain. Therefore he had an extra set available for the race. LH actually questioned the choice of tyres and wanted to know why NR had faster (but less durable) tyres. If the team really wanted Rosberg to win, all they had to do was to fit the same tyres to both cars.
Both Mecs still allowed to race BUT with huge financial and racing penalties should they come together again.
BUT with huge financial and racing penalties should they come together again.
And who would impose these penalties?
Merc aren't going to hobble their own cars, and it's great for the show when they clatter into each other.
maybe they relegate them to the caravan of doom for the race weekend and they have to make their own tea?
Is it a case of he ran into me or I had to avoid running into him. Maybe there is a crash damage accumulator , endplate minor infringement, losing 4 wheels is a write off 🙂
I can well imagine Britney being on the blower a lot whilst Hamilton tears past him. Is this really good PR for them as it just highlights the fact that they cant control the situation.
And who would impose these penalties?
And who is going to aportion blame for the penalties if the stewards put an incident down as a racing incident with no blame? That could get interesting internally.
Merc will. Massive fines and possible suspensions from a race or two. Neither driver would want to miss a race-that would potentially be it for the WC.
Don't forget from a constructors point of view the drivers WC is a distraction. Their money comes from the constructors WC and this is why they're so keen on 1-2's and stuff the drivers racing if that's ultimately what they need to do.
Do you think Hamilton would stay at Mercedes if they actually suspended him for a race?
Do you think Hamilton would stay at Mercedes if they actually suspended him for a race?
Depends upon where else is an option. Ferrari are showing signs of ascendency, but as already discussed, they tend to like a clear hierarchy amongst their drivers. I can't see that working out well with Vettel and Hamilton. Not sure Red Bull would be of that much interest to him either TBH.
Latest news is that Kimi is staying where he is for 2017.
I'd like to see hamilton set up his own team.. there has always been a nice story about racers winning in their own team although I reckon its highly unlikely with the politics and money involved.. It must be considered the pinnacle of a F1 driver.
Merc will. Massive fines and possible suspensions from a race or two. Neither driver would want to miss a race-that would potentially be it for the WC.
Never in a million years would Merc do that.
Brawn to return and Lewis to go somewhere with him. Williams?
Raikkonen re-signs - there goes my tenner then! 😀
A worrying thing for all teams is that Adrian Newey is excited by the 2017 regulations - so what loophole has he found?
Sad news that Murray Walker might have been to his last GP -
Legendary former F1 commentator Murray Walker will be a rare absentee at the British grand prix this weekend.The iconic Briton is synonymous with the sport after serving for decades as a commentator, but now aged 92 he admits he is "too frail" to be at Silverstone this time around.
"I am an old man, my legs aren't what they used to be," he told the Mirror. "You know four days of walking about at a grand prix is very hard work indeed.
"I would rather quietly stay at home," Walker added. "You never like to say never but I think I have been to my last grand prix. Do I like it? No I don't. But you work with the hand you are dealt."
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