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Junky of course we haven't forgotten you are Scottish, we are sharing in the moment. Its hysterical.
I'm not a proper football fan, but I like to watch the WC/Euros type stuff.
My take on England's problem is partly to do with pressure. England are on a hiding to nothing as soon as they qualify for a tournament. The pressure for England to do well is immense. This isn't helped by our media's big them up to knock them down mentality.
There is absolutely NO pressure on Wales/Scotland or N Ireland to do well like there is on England. This is partly to do with the fact they haven't been to as many tournaments and also the fact they are much smaller nations with much smaller player numbers. And this is how it should be.
The sooner we (The English) accept the fact that England are shite and stop bigging them up so much, the sooner we can start to rebuilt and start to look forward to being mediocre and maybe one day decent.
The players are good, maybe not world beaters, but they are good. But they should be allowed to enjoy the tournament they did so well to get to. The pressure should come from themselves to play well and win when they get to the big games, not the media and the like.
It was the same for the Rugby team in last years world cup, whereas I don;t believe Wales had the same pressure from the public/media.
I actually thought the hype around the England team was less this time around than it has been for a long time.
I don't buy this pressure thing: I think it's purely down to poor team selection and management.
It's certainly not the only problem, but I think it's there and plays with the minds of the players and management. Suppose you could blame weak management for that though.
namastebuzz - MemberHowever, you can certainly compare and contrast the determination, fortitude, skill under pressure, organisation, team spirit and professionalism of our English national rugby and football teams. The rugby team having just won the Grand Slam and whitewashed Australia 3-0, the "A" Team having won in SA and the U-20 side having won the World Championship for the 3rd time in 4yrs
errr..do you remember just a few short months ago our rugby team's ignominious dumping out of it's 'own' home world cup?
It's the coach. We have some half decent players they just need to play in a modern system that works for them under a world class coach.
Hodgson = Lancaster
Now who = Jones?
I don't think class has anything to do with it but education does , something isn't happening at youth level that gives us the mental strength that other teams have . If the Germans had gone behind against Iceland in a knock out game you can be sure that the players on the pitch wouldn't of gone into their shells like England did , they would of organised taken control and won .
We have good enough players. Indivudally our players are clearly better than those of Iceland. Its about how we play.
Roy was seen as the safe choice, in a sort of unoffensive middle of the road way. Thats just how its turned out. MOTR mediocrity.
So up next
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At the start of the tournament, Mrs Binners mate put a fiver on Iceland reaching the final at 90/1.
Could they conceivably do a Greece?
I don't think so. I think they may beat France, but Italy or Germany will have the measure of them.
If the Germans had gone behind against Iceland in a knock out game you can be sure that the players on the pitch wouldn't of gone into their shells like England did , they would of organised taken control and won .
This is what I was thinking last night watching the headless chickens in England kit. I think a quality manager and more importantly, a good captain to ORGANISE the rabble when there is a set back would go a long way.
I know this is getting like linking to the mash all the time, but David Squires take a bow. Yet again.
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the usual excuses of englerland not being technically good enough or have the mental strength tosh being rolled out again.
So how technically good enough do you have to be? If that were so why are they commanding such high wages.. because mugs in the uk have sky! Interesting how many uk players are plying their trade outside.
Mental strength is gained by doin well in previous tournaments according to bbc poundit lineker. ( has he not seen the remaining teams in the last 16 or who just beat england ?????)
Its deja vu after every tournament and it gets very tireseome .. lucky its only every 2 years and just as well fans have a short memory.
the usual excuses of englerland not being technically good enough or have the mental strength tosh being rolled out again.So how technically good enough do you have to be? If that were so why are they commanding such high wages.. because mugs in the uk have sky! Interesting how many uk players are plying their trade outside.
Wrong players, wrong formations, no run of form.
Picking Wiltshire was the classic example, then getting nothing for most of a game before putting the young lad on too late. Leaving someone like Townsend back at Newcastle when he was flying at the end of the season. Messing with formations, not thumping the Slovaks etc. glad it was all on in the middle of the night for me
so really what lineker was actually saying was its the manager that is technically inept and lacks mental strength.
I do feel the poor performance and slack play is down to the players. I can miss balls in the local park as good as the england team. Its complacency and believing that football tournaments owe them something rather than earning it. Yes you have qualified for the tournament but everything is reset and the winning is the next phase.
As per boxers stop thinking about the next fight and concentrate on the current one. ( see slovakia / iceland game). It would be interesting if any of the players take accountability and do something positive
I heard Lineker on the radio last night. Sounded like the FA had his family in a basement somewhere, as I really cannot make any sense of what he said otherwise.
This tournament came round too soon for this young group of players? Oh really....
Can we not have all this pish in the Euro 2016 thread, as England are erm... Out?.
There's another thread that would be more appropriate for analysis/post mortem/crying in yer carling in the England manager thread.....
You will take my pish, and like it, young man.
As long as you keep calling me young man, sir! 😆
@bongo I met Linekar at a work so once, he was pretty candid. Why be a manager or any other high risk, high stress job in football when you can just sit on the fence as a tv presenter
How about we withdraw from the world cup on principle as its being held in Russia. It would save money and further false expectations. We could also let our players rest more 🙂
@Nobeer, yes true enough. Allez Les Bleu
As long as you keep calling me young man, sir!
🙂
*polite cough*
Poland v Portugal (ITV)
I would really like to see Poland progress, but Portugal seem to have that scrape through vibe going on. Plus Lewandoski has left his shooting boots on the England bus.
...but I am going to chuck a couple of quid on Poland doing something.
I've chucked a few quid on Poland too Bongo. I reckon I might have a bet on a silly score like 4-2 to Portugal though, as well
With Skybet they give you some ridiculous odds on various scenarios. So for example I chucked a quid on it being 0-0 and no booking points. Which, given who's playing was stupid.
...but, if both Ronaldo and Lewadoski score a header, I get £150 off £1. 🙂
All of the above have more of a chance of paying off than my Raheem bets from the other night.
🙂 Bongo you can't defend quality like that !
Heart says Poland, head says Portugal
2-0
Come on Poland.
0-0 aet Ronaldo to fluff his lines in the penalty shoot out...
Plus Lewandoski has left his shooting boots on the England bus.
Heh
boom ..now lets see ronny get his game face one
Blinding finish that! My bet on 3-2 to Portugal might be in with a chance 🙂
Bizarrely - Ronnie to score during the match was 3/1. Seemed rude not too really. That's just free money, surely?
It is till I bet on it 😉
Poland to bore Portugal into submission now...
Gareth Bale would have scored that.
Harry Kane would have put it out for a throw.
Harry Kane would have [s]put it out for a throw.[/s] just about made it reach the wall
FIFY
Some of the ball control Lewandowski has been showing tonight.....
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I watch other teams and wonder why cant England pass and move like that? What do England do in training?
I watch other teams and wonder why cant England pass and move like that? What do England do in training?
Dance?
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Woof!
Edit: A little deflection, Andy Townsend? Looked quite a big one.
Edit 2: Ok, corrections have been made.
Nice finish!!!
geez you call that dancing.. next you're going to say man utd play attractive penetrating football under lvg!
oopss banging it in
Well...that knackers my HT/FT bets.
Portugal and Russia....my nemesiseses when it comes to bet spoiling.
I've forgotten how rubbish the commentary by Townsend is. All pretty cliched. Poland coming back them. Now will Ronny score with a rocket to win the match?
All a bit divey...
All a bit boring...