Forum menu
I'm super keen to have Bill Gates' control chip injected in me, as I like being an early adopter of technology.....
We should send a gunboat and sort them out, rule Britanniaaa and all that.
FFS don't give them stupid ideas! They're good enough at that on their own.
This faux vaccine patriotism is exactly what the Government and swivel-eyed loons want. The UK managed to one thing right, probably borne of desperation as there were few options left in the face of an unfolding disastrous response to Covid. The problem will be when the smell of the dead cat has long left the room, everyone has had their jab and the UK will still be a $hit-show because of the dual impacts of Brexit and the fallout from the bungled lock-downs whilst elsewhere will be getting back on track. The US is going to experience a big growth because of stimulus, even Australia is booming relatively whilst the UK gets Austerity II, the sequel whilst Boris and chums attempts to divert as much ‘stimulus’ investment to their mates. Meanwhile, back in the UK most are wailing about when they can go get pissed by their mates down the pub, go to the footy or head-off for 2 weeks in Benidorm.
The perils of outsourcing to lower-paid economies, maybe…
UK has vaccine manufacturing capability, it's making lots. Spreading the sources of supply spreads risk.
But you keep on your hobby horse
UK has vaccine manufacturing capability, it’s making lots. Spreading the sources of supply spreads risk.
It's not making enough. The UK government recognize this now, hence why they have gone on a large drive to build nationalized manufacturing capability.
The UK managed to one thing right, probably borne of desperation as there were few options left in the face of an unfolding disastrous response to Covid.
The vaccine procurement strategy started right at the beginning, before they had chance to realise they may be stuffing it up
UK will still be a $hit-show because of the dual impacts of Brexit and the fallout from the bungled lock-downs whilst elsewhere will be getting back on track.
Current progress means we are likely to be well ahead of the rest of the EU in vaccination, parts of the EU are going to struggle with low take up rates. I suspect the UK will be out early, Boris likes spending money so some stimulus already will happen
head-off for 2 weeks in Benidorm.
Which will be bonkers from a public health perspective. Economically surely we want people to get pissed here supporting the UK economy rather than in the EU?
It’s not making enough. The UK government recognize this now, hence why they have gone on a large drive to build nationalized manufacturing capability.
I imagine lots of countries in far worse position than us are thinking the same
TL:DR?
The UK wrote a better contract with AZ than the EU is my understanding..
https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/
I imagine lots of countries in far worse position than us are thinking the same
As I've stated, the only reason why we are in a good position is because we were first off the bat to approve. If we hadn't been, we'd be in the same position as the Europeans - if not worse.
Countries with younger populations, need not worry so much either.
Current progress means we are likely to be well ahead of the rest of the EU in vaccination, parts of the EU are going to struggle with low take up rates. I suspect the UK will be out early, Boris likes spending money so some stimulus already will happen
I wouldn't count on this, I suspect vaccine nationalism is about to go hot and every man and his dog is going to be attempting to put export controls on product and materials.
Economically surely we want people to get pissed here supporting the UK economy rather than in the EU?
Try saying that on the ski and snowboard thread or the holidaying in the EU thread. 🙂 Or try saying that to someone who works for Mark Warner etc. Or even somone who works for London tourism because London is the second most popular tourist destination after Paris IIRC and these things work both ways.
It's falling into the trap of thinking making Britain into a protectionist island cut off from Europe is a good thing when it really isn't.
Feel free to point out any factual inaccuracies in their reporting…..
I think some would be surprised to learn that the FT is somewhat apolitical with a strong tendency to stick to factual reporting with little obvious political bias. In the past it has supported both labour & Tory PMs.
As I’ve stated, the only reason why we are in a good position is because we were first off the bat to approve
We also started funding manufacturing sites to increase capacity before we even had a viable vaccine as the Vaccine taskforce recognised that production was going to be a major bottleneck....
We also started funding manufacturing sites to increase capacity before we even had a viable vaccine as the Vaccine taskforce recognised that production was going to be a major bottleneck….
Yes, but only one of those is close to being operational.
It’s falling into the trap of thinking making Britain into a protectionist island cut off from Europe is a good thing when it really isn’t.
Posted 9 minutes ago
It's going to happen to some extend regardless, we've made it harder to trade / visit etc to Europe. Both the UK and the EU are protectionist and as we're now competitors we'll be trading and visiting less than before.
Doesn't really matter whether you like it or not, that's just how it will be.
Yes, but only one of those is close to being operational.
I think the Valneva or is it Novavax site is manufacturing but not authorised for use. Dont know what sort of quantity that's in. What's the Fuji site doing?
Tbh, even though it's very easy to be critical and negative. I'm still astonished where we are with vaccines, I honestly wasnt expecting an authorised for use vaccine until at least 18 months, and we are a lot further down the line.
No idea if Fuji Kyowa Kirin are manufacturing C19 vaccines yet.
I'm mostly talking about the semi-nationalized outfits backed by government funding.
I conversely thought that authorization would be the easiest bit to speed up, it's manufacturing that is always the total bitch that throws a spanner in the works. People, training, materials, facilities - it's a huge task to scale up production like we're trying to. What seems like a really small issue to an outsider can cause a batch to be delayed or binned.
It doesn’t seem like a small challenge to me, I didn’t think we’d be producing any or have a realistic chance to for several years.
It doesn’t seem like a small challenge to me, I didn’t think we’d be producing any or have a realistic chance to for several years.
+1
Miles ahead of where I thought we'd be.
th ewhole brexit thing is a shambles as is Uk gov media manipulation, however the EU are also being total bell ends.
What, the goody two shoes EU? Naa.
I'm a big Europhile but it doesn't mean I blindly think everything they do is always really great.
They've made some pretty big mistakes when it comes to vaccines and at times lately their statements have sounded borderline Schizophrenic to me regardless of which newspaper I read them in.
Yep, quite surprising as they're normally the grown ups in the room. Good to see they too are human and capable of being as stupid as the next person.....
AZ vaccine back in use in France as of tomorrow morning. Not even a week of delay and people can now go and get vaccinated knowing there are no duff batches, all production sites are equal and the odds of having blod clots are acceptably low. Castex a few seconds ago.
I find it saddening to read the comments on this post and to see how eager some people are to speak down about the UK, whatever the topic.
I've lived in other countries and there's generally a sense of cohesion and wanting the best for one another.
It’s falling into the trap of thinking making Britain into a protectionist island cut off from Europe is a good thing when it really isn’t.
Nope it's saying allowing your citizens to roam the world like nothing is happening and return home with no quarantine is bonkers. The vaccine isn't 100% effective, lots of people haven't had it, the virus could mutate to a more deadly variant with the vaccines have reduced protection. Waiting a year for covid to be managed globally may upset the jet setting middle class on here but they can cry into their prosecco and go a year shivering on a British beach
I find it saddening to read the comments on this post and to see how eager some people are to speak down about the UK, whatever the topic.
I’ve lived in other countries and there’s generally a sense of cohesion and wanting the best for one another.
brexit has indeed poisoned the,country, cant see it healing anytime soon, the government actively stoke culture war issues over policy as they know it is a vote winner, the divide will only increase
Good news vaccinations will resume, every 100,000 vaccinated = 15 lives saved iirc, so even pausing a few days could be hundreds of lives saved
Waiting a year for covid to be managed globally
2023 before large parts of the world can expect vaccination in earnest
True Kimbers. And there are also large parts of the world using measures other than or as well as vaccines to control the virus. Travel is going to be complicated for a few years, with different rules and freedoms when moving between different parts of the world. A “go ahead, you can go on holiday anywhere” one hit approach will be a long way off, even if our own government were daft enough to try it soon: it can’t be done unilaterally.
some people are to speak down about the UK, whatever the topic
Speak down about the UK, or its government? In every other county in the world I’d be comfortable living in, vocal criticism of the government is common place.
god1406
Free Member
I find it saddening to read the comments on this post and to see how eager some people are to speak down about the UK, whatever the topic.
Worth remembering that those who voted for Brexit did so because they don't like the country as it is. They put Britain down. They were actively saying their own country is currently sh*t because (insert BS of your choice.)
People that voted remain actually thought this was a pretty good place to be all in all and given time with the right governance it would get even better.
As for the vaccine rollout, I am hugely impressed.
Let's not give the government a get out of jail free card though. One of the biggest deaths per capita in the world is not a mark of distinction.
I find it deeply sad that the institution most despised by government as a waste of money and cut to the bone during Austerity V1.0 is the one being tasked to save their arses.
Waiting a year for covid to be managed globally may upset the jet setting middle class on here but they can cry into their prosecco and go a year shivering on a British beach
I'm not sure a week in Benidorm is exactly middle-class, tbh.
Good news vaccinations will resume, every 100,000 vaccinated = 15 lives saved iirc, so even pausing a few days could be hundreds of lives saved
Pausing 300 000 in th emost infected areas for a week might have cost 5 lives at the current infection rates in France, I presented the numbers on the other thread. It only costs 15 lives per 100 000 if you have an infection rate much much higher -edit, and there's not catch up which there will be. Edit: there are only 1.8 deaths per 100 000 per week in France at present.
I hope you can visit in September, Elshamino. Once there are enough free hospital beds I'm certain most restrictions will be lifted. Governments are aware that people are comfortable with the level of risk if you let them choose and once the pressure is off the hospitals people will be let off the leash - that was castex's promise a few minutes ago.
I've been saying a week which is lazy because the suspension will have only been 4 days. Apologies.
Madame has a soft spot for Comté, she lived in Dijon for a couple of years. My favourites are fromage pur brebis de la Vallée d'Ossau, Fourme d'Ambert and bleu d'Auvergne.
I find it deeply sad that the institution most despised by government as a waste of money and cut to the bone during Austerity V1.0 is the one being tasked to save their arses.
Hmm.
Not sure they despise the NHS, rather their ideology prefers private healthcare. Let’s not forget as well the NHS has been neglected for decades by both Labour & Tory govs.
The govs ass has been saved by some incredible scientific endeavour & I, for one, will definitely NOT be letting them off the hook!
Edukator - anecdotally I’ve heard the French are quite vaccine suspicious as a general rule. Is this the case, and will this AZ pause make it worse in your opinion?
There have been a few quacks and non-quacks that over the years have made people cautious here. The "sang contaminé", "médiator" and combined kids' vaccine debates have erroded trust. There's no longer blind faith, people want transparency.
I think the strategy has been the right one. There were too many unanswered question to go on a few days ago. Answers have been provided and I for one have reinstated AZ as a vaccine I'd have tomorrow if offered. So I don't think it'll make the overall take up worse. Some people might hang on for one of the others though which won't change anything in the overall strategy as they can use all the AZ they can currently get their hands on.
It's interesting to follow how the various vaccines are perceived, the Johnson and Johnson is getting a lot of good press here but that may change once the kind of numbers have been vaccinated that compare with AZ.
I’d be shaking my fist at the TV
SOP in the Sandwich household. It's only the lack of access to firearms and ammunition that is preventing me going full armed rebellion and Falling Down!
I thought the efficacy of the J&J was lower than the others? Maybe because it is single dose?
As I understand it, the O/AZ was originally designed as single dose but they changed it to 2 for better results.
66% for J&J but I think there’s a few ways to make comparisons.
Is J&J even on the U.K. order list? I think our next vaccines will be Moderna in April & Novamax soon after.
Good article in the FT about the damage the EU's political manouvering over the AZ vaccine will do to take up in the 3rd world (as AZ is all they've got).
https://www.ft.com/content/434e4909-c71d-4fbf-9ecd-fbb5c3af0f78
Is J&J even on the U.K. order list?
30 million, the one that was "missed" by the Vaccine TF was Moderna, but we still got an order in eventually.
A couple of things about linking FT articles, Footflaps. They're behind a paywall and anyone outside the UK will give them the same credence as Fox News, dismissing the content as right-wing anglo-saxon, neo-liberal bollocks. Aimed at the FT, not you personally. I wouldn't expect you guys to take it seriously if I linked La Croix as a reliable impartial source.