This tweet from the Luxembourg PM sums it up quite nicely
Lux PM Bettel: "They were in with a load of opt-outs. Now they are out, and want a load of opt-ins.”
Damn EU… stopping member states trading with the rest of the world…
https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1GM088
(Reuters) - French and Indian companies signed contracts worth 13 billion euros ($16 billion) on the first day of President Emmanuel Macron's visit to India on Saturday, the French presidency said in a statement.
think what he could have done under WTO rules 😉
That's a pretty crazy "ban", isn't it.
After a long ride this afternoon, mostly in the rain, (107 km and 1397 m of ascent - yay for me) I think post Brexit UK (meaning really engerlund) should rename itself to better reflect its new status in the world and the rest of the world's true and proper perception of it. So from Brexit day next year the UK will henceforth be renamed simply David Brent and its subjects as the Brentish and queenie will be Queen of the Brents I am off to start one of those petition things.
With a motto, yes it's shit, we knew it would be shit but we did it anyway
But won't he have to leave the eu to do that?
Never mind snowflakes France describing itself as business friendly is an offence under the Trades Description Act 🙂 At least Macron has got the joke on deficit reduction etc and is planning €10bn in privatisations. France does plenty of global trade, they sell Saudi 4 times as much military hardware as do we.
A reminder on the NI border from the head of UK customs, no need for anything on the border in any circumstances
Ah more propaganda from brexit central, who do you trust more Robert Mugabe or brexit central?
Jamba, can we have a quote from the head of UK customs about whether CDS will be ready for your favoured "WTO rules" scenario? 12 months 20 days to go… While you're at it, ask him how WCO conventions would be satisfied by trading without an agreement with the EU/EEA and without a customs border between us and them?
A reminder on the NI border from the head of UK customs, no need for anything on the border in any circumstances
Care to explain why this isn’t complete horseshit? Can’t wait to see the DM et al. go apoplectic when “floods of economic migrants pour into the country whilst simultaneously both scrounging welfare and taking all our jobs”. After all, I thought one of the key tenets of Brexit was us “regaining control of our borders”.
This is just blatantly obvious stuff. I don’t mind an alternative view point, but it’s helpful if there’s an ounce of logic to support it, which clearly there isn’t here.
You're years out of date on how difficult it is to set up and run a business in France, Jamba. The "Micro" system couldn't be easier - junior uses it. I've a challenge for you, find a country where it's easier to start a business and then pay all ypur tax and social security. Being objective you need to find somewhere with less than one declaration to start a business and less than four income declations a year with no formal accounting simply a payment of 25% of your income each quarter to cover all tax and social security. Depending on what you do you may have to pay an additional local professional tax but in the case of ski instructor that's zero.
It's worth watching the Benn / HMRC guy video with the sound off and looking at the body language, especially when the HMRC guy concludes his evidence
Oh dear, I've been pulled into this thread 🙁
Wow. That video is awful. It starts with the premise that Hilary is fundamentally untrustworthy, and that other bloke is. Really shamelessly manipulative. And why are there cuts in between the questions and answers?
And he says his measures would cover 'the vast majority of trade'. So basically, everyone who wants to play by the rules can do so, but that's not what border infrastructure is for is it?
I'm trying not to join in the derision Jam but you are making it very difficult to do. Seriously, take those Brexit-coloured glasses off.
France's deal with india compared to this
Just highlights the deluded isolationism of Brexit
And more good news. I particularly enjoyed the part about the UK being a guinea pig for a harsh new US trade policy.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/uk-must-concede-everything-for-us-trade-deal-1-4703683
"This is what your bullshit xenophobia and bigotry inevitably leads to"
I'm not sure this adds to the the debate or if it undermines the argument for remaining in the EU, given your view of the target audience.
I’m not sure this adds to the the debate or if it undermines the argument for remaining in the EU, given your view of the target audience.
I think it’s more a warning of where populist policies of “otherisms” can lead to.
Stuart lee said it better
Vince cable wasn't wrong either.
Scapegoating immigrants or the EU for our own shitbag politicians incompetence has a short lifespan of we actually leave
So it's costing billions & creating ever more red tape & beuracracy to make the country poorer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43372084
And that is news? I think we covered that before page 10
Disgraceful post @perditus. Truly disgraceful.
Just so you understand my point of view my father in laws twin brothers were sent to Dr Mengele
It’s quite clear that irrespective of how much of the brexit vote was underpinned by racism and nostalgia, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by pointing this out. People have a great facility to convince themselves that they acted on the most exemplary of motives, and when you accuse someone of bigotry the one response you’ll never get is “oh yes I can see you’re right, I’d better change my mind”.
Pointing out that brexit isn’t working and cannot possibly work in the way that they want, on the other hand, may have some chance of convincing them.
Jamba - I don’t mean this in a nasty way, more a bewildered way, but based on what you posted, I can not understand your point of view. It seems totally internally inconsistent. Have you looked at the other supporters of Brexit?
Slow down and look round, ask yourself if Britain First etc, or Farage with his thinly veiled reworking of Nazi propaganda posters are really the folk you wish to align yourself with.
If that’s what happened to your in-laws (and it was horrific the things that happened) then I do not understand your position. Sorry.
Pointing out that brexit isn’t working and cannot possibly work in the way that they want, on the other hand, may have some chance of convincing them.
Given the levels of cognitive dissonance presented by leavers, I suspect you'd almost have more chance of someone accepting that they're a bigot.
If that’s what happened to your in-laws (and it was horrific the things that happened) then I do not understand your position. Sorry.
This. It would pay to look at the history of the 10-20 years preceding that photo, and compare that with where we are now. Insular nationalism has a rather unhappy history.
Don' forget that Jamba has expressed support for the French FN, read this thread for the period of the French elections and the joy he expressed at their results for confirmation. Once Fillon was eliminated he was right behind Marine Le Pen. Her father, the founder of the FN Jean Marie LePen, has been prosecuted for calling the holocaust "a detail of history" thus trying to rewrite history. The FN is xenophobic and anti-semitic.
Good to see as strong members of the EU we can expect support from the other member states in our current travails with Russia (sorry brexies for using a foreign word)
Don’ forget that Jamba has expressed support for the French FN
Ah yes, I remember that.
Definitely a case of "doth protest too much" going on, Jamby.
”they sell Saudi 4 times as much military hardware as do we.”
This isn’t something to admire you know....
It is ok, the Front National are about to change name to be less racist.
"One nation" perhaps?
So Brexit is going to cost EU 27 businesses 35 billion. The population is 443 million so that's about 8 euros per EU27 citizen. Brexit will cost the UK 30 billion for a population of 65 million (2015) si that's 46 euros per UK citizen. Try putting positive spin on that.
The EU27 meet in ten day's time, I'd love to be a fly on the wall.
Not only just 46 Euros each, but we get blue passports, more brown people and maybe unicorns....
Try putting positive spin on that.
Frankly if you can't spare 47 Euro's you shouldn't be here and are probably jobless scum. It will all be made better by the lower yacht taxes.
If the question was would you pay an extra £42 in VED what would the answer be?
I drive an electric car.
In France.... you just need to find 8 Euro in change somewhere
TYpical lazy stereotype from Vince Cable, which has been laughably amplified on here, illustrative of why LibDems seem to be stuck on 7%, one third of ethnic minority voters voted for Brexit.
"Brexit vote wasn't against immigration."
"How about a new relationship with the EU, as a third country, but keeping the four freedoms on the table?"
"That would betray the Brexit voters"
"Why…?"
"The majority of them voted on immigration issues."
…infinite loop…
Was that a reason mefty or just a list of unrelated statements?
How many of the 17 million voted because of immigration?
illustrative of why LibDems seem to be stuck on 7%
Stop talking out of your arse.
Just highlights the deluded isolationism of Brexit
But whilst India still wants to get away with exploiting the British immigration system, Australia looks like it just wants streamlined access for buisness people. I worked at an Indian pharmaceutical company based in the UK, they employed 90 percent tier two visa or spouses of tier 2 visa workers. They employed them on the minimum needed to get them into the country, then worked them over 70 hours a week under the threat of sending them home. They blackmailed the workers into producing drugs that were a danger to the patient.
I am fine with increased Aussie immigration though. At the very least it would hopefully be reciprocal in terms of visa opportunities.
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Don’ forget that Jamba has expressed support for the French FN"
He defended literal nazis in America, murdering people
I am fine with increased Aussie immigration though. At the very least it would hopefully be reciprocal in terms of visa opportunities.
Quite a large number of Aussies can (until the axe falls) come to the EU due to having UK/EU relatives, makes a bit of sense trying to expand and maintain that. Given the Tories have consistently stated they want immigration down about the 10k level that is a very small number of reciprocal visa opportunities that would be available.