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"China now buys more Ferraris"
Amazing 😂
I had a right laugh at you a few months back when you used your yacht buying friend as a barometer for how Brexit was going, but you've really raised the bar with Chinese Ferraris
You're so out of touch and myopic that I actually feel sorry for you. You really are the walking embodiment of the blind men and the elephant tale.
What he really means is that Italie, France and Germany will negociate a deal with China to sell cars, and they are not really bothered about the UK deal .
Brexit thinking at its finest !
I was having a few beers last night with some mates, one a senior academic who lectures at universities all over Europe, and another who's a senior IT bod who's presently working for a government dept, and has worked for quite a few as a consultant, and inevitably we ended up discussing brexit
We concluded that its probably now reached the point where British Business's and Banks etc - who lest we forget are the ones who fund the Tory party - are going to say to May "ok... you've had your fun, indulged your nutters and backward-gazing racists, will of the people and all that shit - but enough is enough! So stop *ing about, bollocks to your ridiculous red lines, and get a deal sorted that remains as close to what we've already got! Or else you and your party are *ing finished for the forceable future! Because you see that beardy marxist over there? Well right now he's looking like a safer bet than you shower! Get it sorted! NOW!"
Then this just popped up in my news feed
https://news.sky.com/story/strike-brexit-transition-deal-urgently-bosses-to-tell-davis-11282054
Thread still going around in circles I see.
So stop *ing about, bollocks to your ridiculous red lines, and get a deal sorted that remains as close to what we’ve already got! Or else you and your party are *ing finished for the forceable future!
The problem with this assumption is there are those in the Tory party and beyond who wouldn't be bothered about the end of it as long as their own long term aims have been met.
Brexit is simply disaster capitalism in action, destroy something to rebuild it in your image with no regard of its consequences to others.
Might I suggest that those here who are still angry at brexit move on to the next phase. When we take it back from these people.
How?
Worst case scenario, in my opinion, is that we leave the Conservative party in power long enough to do the "destroy something" part, beyond even what most Brexit campaigners envisioned … and then elect a Labour Party that restrains the "rebuild it" part.
The Conservative party, under the influence of disaster capitalists, digs a great big hole for the UK to fall into… followed by the Labour Party, under the influence of capitalism deniers, preventing the ladders being built to try and get back out of it. No real support for any of this across the UK… but with plenty of people repeatedly having little to no option but to vote "against" what they see as the worst of two damaging agendas, it seems pretty likely.
Sadly the Indy appears to be the only paper running that Tusk story. To good to be true I suppose
i see the UK will ask US for exemption on the steel tariffs. Has certainly put the EU’s nose out of joint saying that would threaten the integrety of the EU. Welcome to the real world eh ?
Sadly thr Indy appears to be the only paper running that Tusk story. To good to be true I suppose
Nonsense. I knew about it from multiple other news sources… and have only just now read the Indy link to see what you were on about. It's not even an opinion piece… just the actual words straight from Tusk's mouth.
jambalaya
Sadly the Indy appears to be the only paper running that Tusk story. To good to be true I suppose
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43333274
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-comes-first-in-brexit-talks-tusk-1.3419979
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/08/donald-tusk-warns-ireland-must-come-first-brexit-talks/
https://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/tusk-threat-to-freeze-brexit-talks-until-irish-get-deal-1-4702854
You are great comedy value 😉 Have this one to mull over r UK / US trade and the toryboy view of the future
"May has strongly signalled a desire to negotiate a bilateral trade agreement with the US after Brexit, but critics said Trump’s “America first” rhetoric underlined the potential danger of being too reliant on a transatlantic relationship.
Senior government figures told the Guardian that plans to keep Britain closely tied to European standards after Brexit, which were outlined by the prime minister on Friday, had also cut the chances of a major trade deal with the US.
One cabinet minister said sticking to EU regulations in a number of areas, particularly around industrial goods, would constrain the breadth of any future UK-US trade links"
Sadly thr Indy appears to be the only paper running that Tusk story. To good to be true I suppose
The express ran the story too, THE EXPRESS! Lol!
Although they added thier trademark puerile spin to it.
"Donald Tusk issues veiled THREAT to Britain as he cosies up to Ireland for Brexit leverage"
Yeah but apart from the indy, no-one else is running that Tusk story apart from the BBC, Irish Times, Telegraph and Scotsman.
Apart from the Express.
Anyway, it's not on Brexit Central.
Except actually it is.
Anyone follow Corbyn's speech today in Scotland? He is so much more behind Brexit than the PM… she feels she has to do it… he genuinely sees benefits (even though they are based on misunderstandings over how the EU works, and what trade deals we will require to replace it will entail, in my opinion).
Are you a Corbyn fan now ?
I'd vote for Farage if he promised to keep us in.
I am a fan of anything that stops or slows down the madness.... go JC!
I guess the choice will be Leaving or Leaving and giving the tories a kicking .
I ****ing hate tories.
Corbyn wanted to Trigger article 50 the morning after the referendum. He’s spent his entire career railing against the EU as a capitalist conspiracy, despite all evidence to the contrary. He still thinks it stands in the way of the establishment of his socialist utopia.
As usual he’s out of step with his own MP’s, most of the labour membership, the majority of labour voters and even most of his disciples in Momentum
To the Brexiteers he’s just a useful idiot ensuring the Labour Party will not act as an opposition to this lunacy
Apart from Yvette Cooper who is pretty much the only labour MP prepared to constantly challenge this madness
I think the A50 thing was probably Corbyn playing politics and bouncing the Tories into the catastrophe now unfolding rather than that he actually felt a compulsion to leave asap. I could be wrong of course.
I suspect you are.
JC will not stop Brexit. He doesn't understand it, but he does support it. Don't believe the "all things to all voters" spin.
Yeh JC's position is very ambiguous, we know he's anti Europe, so for him to be apparently offering a much softer brexit than the nasty party can only be for one reason, to get into power.
Another party before people agenda, just like the tories but for different philosophical reasons.
Maybe we can hope for a lib lab coalition next GE.
so for him to be apparently offering a much softer brexit than the nasty party can only be for one reason, to get into power.
No, it's cos of the above mentioned clash between him own views and the party membership.
weird isnt it May is delivering something she opposed and Corbyn is pretending to oppose something he supports
Democracy is such a wonderful thing.
Binners anti corbyn post was actually spot on for once.
Nothing weird about it at all as they are elected to carry out the parties wishes, not their own.
But Corbyn isn’t doing this, is he? That’s the whole point. All but a handful of his MP’s were/are pro-remain. Party members and voters are pro-remain by a huge majority. Even his own lemming-like Momentum followers are overwhelmingly remainers
But Corbyn is doing what he’s always done..... ignoring all of them and just representing his own personal anti-EU opinion
Brexit supporters - stil definitely not racist.
https://news.sky.com/video/student-films-racist-abuse-at-uni-11280917
Nothing weird about it at all
Please feel free to list the times this happens and give other examples - it will help if it such a major issue. There must be loads seeing as this is not weird and I guess it happens all the time.
they are elected to carry out the parties wishes, not their own.
I think the PM is elected to carry out the people wishes so she at least has a get out but I still dont recall a leader doing something this large they opposed
Binners [ back to usual I note] notes Corbyn is not representing his party he is pretending to.
My understanding is that MPs, including the PM, are supposed to do the best thing for the country, or thier constituents, that doesn't nessesarily align completely with the will of the people, but of course popular opinion should be carefully considered.
Take a different subject, I'm sure the will of the people would be to bring in a 4 day working week and lower retirement age to 40, but it would destroy the economy.
It's an MPs job to know what's best and balance the will of the people against the practicalities.
Unfortunately most MPs don't think that way, they have thier own agendas.
One Conservative MP finally manages to get the majority of the country to unite behind something…
https://twitter.com/nsoames/status/972220427065012226
…his grandad would have been proud.
(Edit: as @kelvin noted yesterday) Comrade Corbyn has been on message in Scotland these past few days pointing out how EU rules on state aid prevent him running the economic policy he wishes including nationalisations (hence May should not sign up to them *) and how freedom of movement allows immigrant workers to be used by “unscrupulous” bosses to undermine workers wages. Now Dugdale is comparing Corbyn to Farage 🙂
* Corbyn neglects to mention that Labour’s Customs Union plan would absolutely require the UK to sign up to these rules as the EU regards them as part of the “level playing field” requirement
@matty 80% of the vote at the snap 2017 General Election was for parties supporting Brexit & ending freedom of movement (explicitly in manifestos) and leaving customs unions (statements by ministers/shadow minsters). It was only the Lib Dems, Green’s and SNP that where suggesting otherwise. Pretty clear democratic mandate to just get the F on with it.
@Kelvin well I hope you are right. Bring on WTO as of April 2019 (inc total withdrawl from Common Fisheries Policy) and zero payment to the EU too. Win win.
still does not solve Ireland and other borders ?
Maybe you need to have another look at wto rules .
In the last election people were either voting against Corbyn or aagainst May.
A lib vote these days is pretty much wasted unfortunately. I can’t bring myself to vote labour but the chance to give that **** grayling a scare is tempting.
still does not solve Ireland and other borders ?
EU have already solved their own problem with that, with an extensive report on how to avoid a hard border that completely undermines all their own posturing:
I guess you missed it, but that's old news, Jamba posted it while you were away.
It's unicorns.
Yep been posted several times, but doesn't address the issue of no infrastructure at the border and also somewhat ironically ( tho brexies & irony seem immiscible) amounts to a load more red tape than the present situation & ultimately is dependent on some sort of customs/market/trade deal that will have to reconcile with many of Mays bonkers red lines.
It's good that Brexies are starting to pay attention to the EU, but maybe next time actually read what you are linking to?
still does not solve Ireland and other borders ?
EU have already solved their own problem with that, with an extensive report on how to avoid a hard border that completely undermines all their own posturing:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf
I haven't read it all but I did skim it and search for a few keywords such as IRA, Republican, Violence, Vandalism, Dissident, Murder, Smuggle, Kill, Intimidation etc but there seems to be no mention or consideration given. It's as if someone thought they'd just look at borders anywhere else in the world that wasn't a warzone and thought, yeah, that'll do rightly.
It’s unicorns.
What, the EU are selling people unicorns now? Who knew? I thought that it was just the evil, philandering Brexies who were doing that...
doesn’t address the issue of no infrastructure at the border
So, you’re telling me that despite all the hardline posturing, the EU have, behind the scenes, been planning to sell the Irish down the river with a negotiated compromise after all ? Who could have guessed?
You really haven't read it have you?
Very good blog on the nonsense of brexit:
http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/brexit-gets-silly.html
I had a quick skim through that report; to me it also looked like a hard border, but with expedited paperwork.
For example:
ePassports: The use of ePassports with biometric capabilities can facilitate the
faster movement of persons across borders. The international standard for
ePassports is governed by the International Civil Aviation Organization 53 .
This is a lame attempt to dress up the fact that it's just not possible to avoid a hard border.
But Corbyn isn’t doing this, is he? That’s the whole point. All but a handful of his MP’s were/are pro-remain. Party members and voters are pro-remain by a huge majority. Even his own lemming-like Momentum followers are overwhelmingly remainers
But Corbyn is doing what he’s always done….. ignoring all of them and just representing his own personal anti-EU opinion
Really? You really think he can ignore all the above and still expect to be PM? Where are his votes coming from? Could it be that a decent amount of working class potential labour voters are leavers so the path to power requires subduing both sides?
I’m remain and a left wing leaning labour voter so no reason to cause a fuss but these threads have a habit of disappearing up the same posters arses just so they can disagree with others. Makes for a tedious thread and tedious forum. At least THM seems to have stopped fouling the forum.
The border issue is proper unicorns. It’s patently impossible for any border to be less restrictive from a red tape and infrastructure perspective than the current one. Yet, if we leave the EU then there will have to be one, in what is, for anyone with memory and half a brain, a rather unpleasant paramilitary war zone. Good luck with that. At least I won’t be in Manchester when they blow it up this time, and I’ve left school so bomb threats there won’t affect me.
Dramatic? Yes. But this is what the IRA and others did, and those dismissing this out of hand really need to read some history books.
Then we have the bollocks about public ownership, which is simply that: bollocks. It’s been done to death on this thread, so unless Jamby and Ninfan would like to bring new evidence to the table then please stop repeating it.
And yes, Corbyn is treading a fine line. But it’s one he has no choice in. Everyone underestimated the numbers labour haemorrhaged to the kippers, so treading an ambiguous line is from some perspectives sound politically at present, even if it’s very frustrating for left leaning europhiles such as myself. He’s not the PM, he has that freedom. To win an election he needs over 50% of the population (give or take) to vote for him. 52% of them voted to leave. Sure, probably fewer would now, but nonetheless a large proportion still would, and he needs a not insignificant number of those to win an election. In those terms, it would be one hell of a risk to run on a overtly europhile remain policy, and if he did don’t win, we’d still be leaving, and the Tories would be in power.
You only need about 30% of the population to vote your party into government
Well that’s patently false: both Labour and the Tories got over 30% at the last election and neither won outright.
It is a bit more than 30, and I mean a bit more. The disfunction nature of FPTP means you never need 50%+1 to win, you just need to have your voters in the right consituencies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_elections_overview
Good link perditus.
Sadly a good chunk of leave voters & every brexiter politician appears to have their head in the sand!
Yup, good link, perditus. At what point can queenie go “stop that, it’s silly!”?