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I worked at an Indian pharmaceutical company based in the UK, they employed  90 percent tier two visa or spouses of tier 2 visa workers. They employed them on the minimum needed to get them into the country, then worked them over 70 hours a week under the threat of sending them home. They blackmailed the workers into producing drugs that were a danger to the patient.

Im assuming you reported this to the authorities!?!


 
Posted : 13/03/2018 4:55 pm
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30 billion divided by 70 million is over 400 quid for every person not 40. And 30 billion is a ridiculously small estimate.


 
Posted : 13/03/2018 7:31 pm
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You're right I'm wrong. I should use a calculator rather than doing it in my head at my age. And even that wouldn't help as I lost the zero before getting to the calculator


 
Posted : 13/03/2018 7:38 pm
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In todays great, flag-waving Brexit news

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/15/unilever-brexit-rotterdam-hq-london

Unilever denies their decision to ditch their UK HQ and move it all to Rotterdam had anything to do with Brexit. Hmmmm....
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Well they would say that, wouldn't they? Because if they don't then the Daily Mail would have a patriotic hissy fit and its front page tomorrow would be calling for a boycott of Unilever products for them failing to believe in Empire 2.0. I expect this will be the start of the exodus of companies also saying it has nothing to do with Brexit, while sprinting towards the welcoming arms of the EU

But don't worry Dippy Dave has said he could 'live with' a shorter transition period. Like he had a ****ing choice?! This is how it works Dave.... they tell you how its going to be. You nod, then say you can 'live with' that.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/15/david-davis-says-he-could-live-with-shorter-brexit-transition-period


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 10:53 am
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" The Netherlands offers better protection against hostile corporate takeovers than the UK."

is another way of saying we need the protection of EU anti-trust laws and there is no guarantee that the UK will provide the same protection post Brexit.


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 11:03 am
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i think even the Daily Mail smell a rat 🙂


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 11:05 am
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is another way of saying we need the protection of EU anti-trust laws and there is no guarantee that the UK will provide the same protection post Brexit.

I would be unsurprised if many of those economically in favour of Brexit would oppose this status quo - it allows non-EU capital to flow through the City during aggressive takeovers and enriches them, normally at the cost of 'efficiencies' ie jobs and the migration of assets/control away from the UK. It's an interesting unintended consequence that this free-for-all has caused a major corporation to move its base. I'm sure others who are at risk of this kind of hostile takeover will be looking at this with interest.


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 11:13 am
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Daniel Hannan is apparently advocating a EU deal on the Swiss model.  Interesting.

So freedom of movement for people, roughly in the common market  - good.

But no voting rights, payments (which could of course be higher than they were given we got a rebate) - probably not so good.

And no ECJ - which people will have mixed views on. Supranational courts can be quite useful when nations decide to do whatever they feel like - and they do.

Of course Daniel can be a bit of a pariah in Brexy circles due to his ability to think as well as support the ideology of Brexyism.


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 6:03 pm
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So freedom of movement for people

Is the Swiss model really FoM?  I had to jump through hoops to work there for a few weeks and that was just an assigment with my normal job.  I still needed a work permit and it was pretty restrictive.


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 6:41 pm
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Bottled it.... swivel eyes have Stockholm Syndrome i reckon.


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 6:43 pm
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The Swiss are a pita. Getting equipment in and out means customs clearance, declared values, all that, and punitive fines if you get it wrong. It's an expensive place to live and expensive to do business. The last time I was there ( a few months ago ) my hosts explained how the government tried to stimulate business but to not great effect, particularly in the tech sector.

Beautiful place, and if you're a native in work, or well off, undoubtedly fabulous.


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 9:43 pm
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A loooooonnnnng thread, but a good read from Steve Analyst (@EmperorsNewC) which gives lie to some of the bullshit spun out by some of the main Leave protagonists on an almost daily basis.

https://twitter.com/emporersnewc/status/974373411165270017?s=21


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 11:15 pm
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Daniel Hannan is apparently advocating a EU deal on the Swiss model. Interesting.

Switzerland is in the Schengen area.

So is he saying that leaving Brexit means removing any kind of passport controls from our borders?

Of course Daniel can be a bit of a pariah in Brexy circles due to his ability to think as well as support the ideology of Brexyism.

🙄


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 11:22 pm
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Seems the UK government is now not going to shaft its citizens living in the EU and vice versa, how very noble of them.

We'll be staying in,  in all but name if not a complete reversal.

I suppose the question now is how far is this band wagon going to roll whilst the UK sheds influence, jobs and business to the mainland, before the whole sorry mess is laid to bed?


 
Posted : 15/03/2018 11:33 pm
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Of course one of the things the Brexies got right is that being in the SM / CU without being fully in the EU is a bad thing.  All the rules with no voting rights.

So in solidarity with that point of view I suggest we remain in the EU and keep the voting rights.

I think that’s what IDS and the like meant.


 
Posted : 16/03/2018 1:06 am
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Is the EU report on the irish border that Jamby keeps on pushing as solving the problem the same report that the UK govt stated does not present an adequate infrastructure-free solution?


 
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Seems the UK government is now not going to shaft its citizens living in the EU and vice versa, how very noble of them.

Spain said the same but now there is this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/16/gibraltar-warns-it-could-rescind-citizens-rights-if-spain-uses-veto-on-brexit-deal


 
Posted : 16/03/2018 1:00 pm
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What have you seen on citizens rights?  I haven't seen anything recently


 
Posted : 16/03/2018 1:16 pm
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What a farce.

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409


 
Posted : 16/03/2018 7:00 pm
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yep no checks at Dover and other borders , not sure it complies with WTO rules though .


 
Posted : 16/03/2018 11:32 pm
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no checks on the UK side.  Plenty at the french side.


 
Posted : 17/03/2018 12:40 am
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yep no checks at Dover and other borders , not sure it complies with WTO rules though .

<div>Two opinions I have come across, either may be right or wrong,</div>
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<div>you can have no border checks but you need to have no border with anyone, ie scrap passport control at all airports....</div>
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<div>or you must have a border to ensure rules of origin etc.</div>
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<div>Either way the UK can have no border but that won't stop the rest of the world imposing them to protect their businesses etc.</div>


 
Posted : 17/03/2018 8:33 am
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“No border” was never a serious option, it’s just indicative of the quality of blether that comes out of the mouths of the govt we are currently blessed with.


 
Posted : 17/03/2018 8:52 am
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no checks at Dover and other borders

I wonder how much this is forced on the government because they've realised they just can't build the infrastructure and hire the people in time, and the costs would do horrific things to the UK budget.

Just imagine what people will think when it turns out we can't afford to build a new hospital or recruit nurses, but we can afford to build customs posts and recruit vets to check livestock, or highly paid Capita consultants to write shonky customs software or...whatever.


 
Posted : 17/03/2018 9:03 am
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Does this mean I can go to Belgium stock up on chocolate and bring it back without being stopped?


 
Posted : 17/03/2018 9:10 am
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Facebook suspends controversial data firm Cambridge Analytica

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43440043


 
Posted : 17/03/2018 3:56 pm
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red line may caves in to EU demands.... but we can sign trade deals during the 21 month transition shame they'll take 6-10 years to negotiate 🙂


 
Posted : 19/03/2018 9:28 pm
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Good job by the growns ups today , or not ?


 
Posted : 19/03/2018 9:29 pm
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Oh I think we can all applaud Teresa’s excellent achievements...so long as our priority is to applaud Teresa at all costs and ignore the reality of what is actually happening, like a good Tory serf.

Just hope some of the spineless ****ers have the guts to vote it down like they keep promising to do. I’m not holding my breath though.


 
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<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">TBH I am struggling o think of an issue where they have moved and one where we have not</span>


 
Posted : 19/03/2018 9:42 pm
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the locals at brexit center are not impressed


 
Posted : 19/03/2018 9:46 pm
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https://evolvepolitics.com/top-british-qc-has-letter-from-senior-bbc-figure-confirming-bbc-does-code-negative-messages-about-corbyn-into-programmes/

hmm.... not strictly Brexit but does suggest something very wrong at the heart of the uk media.


 
Posted : 19/03/2018 9:48 pm
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The express readers do seem a little upset


 
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Tomorrow DM front page should be interesting !


 
Posted : 19/03/2018 10:01 pm
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cchris2lou

Only on theEU side for not just chucking the whole thing away.  this is exactly what we could have had a year ago.  The EU have their position based on legal certainty.  The tories can either like it or lump it.  there was no room for the EU to move on 90% of it.  For example creating two classes of EU citizens in the UK - simply not possible for the EU


 
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hmm…. not strictly Brexit but does suggest something very wrong at the heart of the uk media.

the bbc deny "photoshopping" but they are the same image with the hat doctored to look more "russian" and less fisherman which conveys a message when tinted red and plastered over the kremlin.


 
Posted : 19/03/2018 10:13 pm
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except that from the image provided it looks like it's just been tinted red all over, rather than the hat specifically being messed with. just look what they've done to the presenter as well, the monsters.

i would imagine that for every image of corbyn in front of the kremlin they've done one of maybot in front of the munster's house.

if you were looking for something to demonstrate bbc bias IMO you need to do better.


 
Posted : 20/03/2018 10:46 am
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Do feel a bit sorry for fishermen, they actually believed that Tories/Brexiters have a crap about them.

Even moggys half arsed flapping looks forced these days.

Ruth Davidson now bricking it that all those gains in scotland are history


 
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if you were looking for something to demonstrate bbc bias IMO you need to do better.

Try reading the link mrmo posted then. Oh, and using your eyes. That BBC photoshop is frankly outrageous.


 
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i would imagine that for every image of corbyn in front of the kremlin they’ve done one of maybot in front of the munster’s house.

I am rather more interested in what you can demonstrate rather than what you can make up in your own head.


 
Posted : 20/03/2018 11:43 am
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while we get to sign trade deals in the interim?

😎  you have no idea what the deal said do you 🙂


 
Posted : 20/03/2018 11:54 am
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As you are here, Ninfan, could you give some examples of how Britain has so far benefitted from the Brexit process, you know, simple things like companies investing in Britain on the basis of how much cheaper and easier it will be to do business post Brexit. I've looked and failed to find.


 
Posted : 20/03/2018 12:00 pm
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yeah, i read the link provided, and TBH i'm unconvinced.

X did not say that this was a general policy of the BBC or that there was some institutional directive to ‘smear’ Jeremy Corbyn.

so someone at newsnight wants sacking for having a laugh? fair enough, these are difficult times. down with this sort of thing!

if you think the image above demonstrates that Jez's hat has been messed with i'd suggest you use your eyes and see if the presenter is looking very clear in the same image. good grief. i'm afraid i find it laughable how those on the right and those on the left 'both' say that the bbc is biased against them. who in favour of, i wonder? the greens?


 
Posted : 20/03/2018 12:02 pm
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ninfan - wat have the tories got for their year of posturing and infighting?  exactly what was on the table right from the beginning and in the process they have used up a lot of time and a lot of goodwill.  and this is only an outline agreement - the legalese still needs to be written for most of it, there are still huge questions over the NI border and "until everything is agreed nothing is agreed"


 
Posted : 20/03/2018 12:09 pm
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Ninfan, the way you and the other Retreaters carry on you'd think that we are the skinny kid in the EU playground.

Them nasty Germans are stealing our dinner money.

We are not a skinny kid, we are the big tough guys more than capable of running the playground .

No ,you lot would rather run away back to mummy where she tells you how "special" you are.

You make out like you are some sort of warriors of St George. You are just a bunch of pathetic Retreaters.

I would rather we stood up and took our natural place in Europe as Leaders.


 
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