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Ironically last time David Davis quit government it was over ID cards, the kind of big brother approach he's all for if its EU citizens or at the NI border.
But Brexit & hypocrisy are not uncommon bedfellows
An open border, but with reduced rights to work and settle for those free to cross that border, suggests more internal checks, for which documentation will be required. Not exactly a scare story Mr @FuzzyWuzzy. But I admit "constant checking" was hyperbole.
Like the quick check most employers should be doing at the start of a contract? It's not an arduous requirement is it?
If we get ID cards we could use them as legitimate ID on flights inside Europe instead of those awkwardly sized passports we are stuck with....oh...wait....
Best description of brexit yet on Today this morning - giving up a three course meal now on the promise of a packet of crisps in the future.
& that description came from one of Liam Fox's own trade advisors!
still. blue passports
still. blue passports
I've got one. Has a kangaroo and an emu on it, but it's blue. Doesn't at this stage do anything more for me than the burgundy one with a lion in a crown and a unicorn.
relax Boris is on the case and its just like the congestion charge apparently.
We really have had enough of experts haven't we
I am not saying its impossible to find a solution but there is nothing obvious, easy or politically acceptable to all side and the DUP have May over a barrel
The Maybot is wheeling out the big guns today. Make way for the intellectual heavyweight delivering his analysis....
I’ve got a passport, a driving licence, a works security pass and various other bits of ID. I don’t think I need another ID card thanks.
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I’ve got one. Has a kangaroo and an emu on it, but it’s blue. Doesn’t at this stage do anything more for me than the burgundy one with a lion in a crown and a unicorn.
But unicorns!
I love Liam I do! He has an uncanny ability to repeat other people's drivel while holding a 1000 yard stare then looking confused and inside his bucket head two rats are having a fight over the last cell.
Same old, same old. Attack the individual to try and discredit the argument rather than make any kind of counter point. Fox is spot on, the future lies away from the EU.
Top trolling from Ryan Air today announcing closing of Glasgow as a hub “due to Brexit” and not only that but Brexit is apparently hitting Scottish air travel particularly hard. Nothing to do with a business model under increasing pressure with an exodus of pilots to new competitors who pay more and offer better working conditions. Many more cancellations due over Easter I hear, more Brexit excuses I wager
@perditis depends on the cost if that meal doesn’t it. We are busy paying for 5 courses, wine and private jets for the EU plus those hefty salaries and pensions upon which virtually no tax is paid. Thats a “special deal” don’t you know
By the way on ID cards it seems one of Germany’s largest food banks has been asking people for passports as it will give food parcels only to Germans after it found 75% of applicants where immigrants. Kinder gentler EU eh ?
Ryanair continues to express serious concern over Brexit, saying: “There remains a worrying risk of serious disruption to UK-EU flights from April 2019 unless a UK-EU bilateral (or transitional arrangement) is agreed in advance of September 2018.
“We, like other airlines, need clarity on this issue before we publish our summer 2019 schedules in mid-2018 and time is running out for the UK to develop and agree these solutions.
“We believe the UK government continues to under-estimate the likelihood of flight disruptions.”
That was as they announced a 12% rise in profits a few weeks ago. Obviously Jamba facts are still a thing I wager.
Lazy again, Jamba. Please can you provide a source for Ryanair blaming Brexit?
They blamed low passenger numbers and levels of duty combining to mean they cannot offer low fares to Glasgow. They are, however, increasing services to Edinburgh as well as consolidating other bases from EU cities (such as Berlin) to that same location.
Last time I checked, Edinburgh was still in Scotland and Berlin will remain in the EU post-Brexit. Come on, who is really trolling here Ryanair or you?
How does the localised actions of one food bank, that seem to have garnered considerable criticism, relate to the wider eu? More whatsboutery
Same old, same old. Attack the individual to try and discredit the argument rather than make any kind of counter point. Fox is spot on, the future lies away from the EU.
Oh the ironing....
Have you read back some of your insightful Corbyn comments recently?
Trouble is with Fox's speech there was no detail to attack
20 months of internal squabbling, brexiters undermining the PM, still no plan
just vague assertions and aspirations
amazing that brexiters still have faith in hot air & unicorn fantasies.
there was a rumour of impact assesments at soem point but they did/didnt actually exist, werent finished/cant be trusted.
So rather than evidence based policy its just hopes & prayers?
No wonder that the Tories have lost their credibility as the party of business!
to try and discredit the argument
What argument? he just insists everything will be brilliant, there is nothing concrete there its just , like you , bright new horizons await us as we step into the future emboldened ready to embrace the opportunities as a proud nation self governing etc - its meaningless aspirational soundbites STILL.
Did you her what Fox said about Donnelly. I very much doubt you will criticise him for doing this [ and actually being factually wrong with hsi method of shootign the messenger]....still principles eh what are they to the Brexiteers who will subvert anything, including facts. to achieve their aim [ then piss off abroad]
Liam Fox pre-ref..........
"I believe that the best way forward is for Britain to renegotiate a new relationship with the European Union – one based on an economic partnership involving a customs union and a single market in goods and services."
https://www.liamfox.co.uk/news/dr-fox-mail-sunday
So I've not heard but I'm guessing...
They need us more
They wouldn't dare
More cake 🎂🍰🥧
Grown ups
We will get a deal
Brexit means brexit
Time for lunch.
Looks like a snake, sounds like a snake, moves like a snake... it's most likely a snake.
Jamba transpose to Liam Fox but feel free to substitute with Idiot, Zelot, flat earth believer.
I criticised Liam because he offered nothing of any substance or original positioning. As we say in my part of the EU the water is over his wellies...
So to summarise Little Liam’s speech:
everything is going to be absolutely bloody brilliant upon the rebirth of the British Empire! Don’t you worry your pretty little heads about the detail...
and don’t listen to that beardy bloke. He’s a communist. And the CBI are too! Bastards!
When we have determined the relationship we seek we must set a negotiating timetable with a referendum at the end.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">from the same link</span>
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Happy we are beating him with facts now Jamby? </span>
I believe that the best way forward is for Britain to renegotiate a new relationship with the European Union – one based on an economic partnership involving a customs union…
Yes, yes… but people on the "remain side" pointed out that Liam Fox is an intellectual lightweight, a liar, and a self interested arsebag… so when people voted Leave, they did so in the full knowledge, and explicit support for, the idea that we absolutely can not be involved in a customs union with the EU, of any kind. Keep up. No one ever believes what Liam Fox says, or can trust that it has been thought through, therefore we should all get behind what he is currently saying.
I would genuinely like to understand from someone in the know (and as such that excludes you jambalaya) what these fantastic trade deals we are lining up for that are not going to be a rather one sided butt*. Unless you are in the 'services and digital industries' Liam the Liar has just said you can go yourself. I can see my hill farming clients benefiting from the new EU/Japan deal. How specifically is a trade deal with the USA/Australia/New Zealand going to benefit them? Should I just be telling my clients to pack it in an aspire to a zero hours contract with Amazon?
Brexit - "flamboyant labels on empty luggage"
The foreign secretary said on the radio this morning that everything would be brilliant and we just need to pull together and the CBI and anybody else have always got it wrong .
He nearly answered the question about examples of the massive trade with the rest of the world that would make up our new amazing opportunities but got flustered and sidetracked, then sadly interrupted before he could answer the question, if he could have just answered that we would all be OK.
We will be able to use congestion charge technology to get smugglers to pre-pay duties at the border between NI and E , the ligitimate businesses will be able to do the same if they are not exempted by the detail of the customised CU that we are/not negotiating .
I have a question - will we have the same duty free allowances as we used to have ? Will they apply equally to all - or will the be customised based on memberships ? As a dual national UK/EU will I be able to use both allowances or have to change nationality in between borders?
one of Germany’s largest food banks has been asking people for passports as it will give food parcels only to Germans after it found 75% of applicants where immigrants. Kinder gentler EU eh ?
Sorry Jam - not following. An charity in an EU member state has done something - what's that got to do with the EU? Surely you're not just looking for random mud to sling are you?
Well, it's a good example how "minimal checking" of ID cards can escalate and become intrusive and discriminatory. Not sure Leaving the EU will prevent such things happening in other countries though, or if it's the role of the EU to step in… one for the Germans to sort out themselves… sovereignty and all that.
Who's going to do the recent newsworthy quotes from current and past WTO chiefs… too depressing for me. Jamba? I'm sure you'll try a positive spin on them… pretty please.
What where Pascal Lammy said he reckons that the good Friday agreement is finished?
Perhaps he's read Borris Johnsons memo to the PM saying it's fine to sacrifice it for Brexit
Meanwhile belgium, Ireland ,holland already preparing for customs queues post hard Brexshit
It seems only the unicorn rustlers of our own government are unconcerned
The disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox.
Gotta get his title right.
IMHO With his moon mileage it’s a pity that he wasn’t in Elon’s Tesla.
IMHO With his moon mileage it’s a pity that he wasn’t in Elon’s Tesla.
Elon makes trucks too doesn’t he? Put the whole useless shower in one and send them to Mars. Or further.
Surely you’re not just looking for random mud to sling are you?
the craziest aspect is its a policy jamby is more likely to propose than oppose and if we were doing it here he would be supporting it
Yep, if you can't be constructive....
Just caught the ending lines on newsnight.
Staying in the customs union is not delivering the verdict of the referendum.
Anyone see that question on the paper?
Mike Cameron and Osbourne told us voting Leave meant leaving both. A Customs Union (any) does not allow control over trade policy. Frank Field has been pretty vocal about it.
Molly I mentioned it as it was the anti-immigration stance of the charity that I thought was relevant here as Remainers try and portray Leavers as racist etc. It is an example of the same issues and legitimate concerns being shared accross the EU. As I amspeaking about Germany its worth noting their military is in a huge mess due to lack of funding. So much for the EU’s richest country. Both stories on dw.com
Yes but others promised 350 million a week going to the nhs, how were we to know which ones to believe. Still no coherent leave plan then.
@finishthat there is already widespread smuggling across the border due to differences in duty.
Well my nan voted leave for racist purposes, that I can tell you is a fact. But she won't be around in 10 years to reap what she sowed.
But she's my nan, so what can you do.
Can you cite your source please ?
@finishthat there is already widespread smuggling across the border due to differences in duty.
Does that mean it can be fixed with congestion charge cameras?
Or is give up the new Tory party motto for tax evasion and everything elae?
Agricultural Standards. I’ve not seen this covered at all in UK press but the EU is proposing to allow hormone treated beef into the EU from South America. Getting lots of press in France as it's the big agcricultrual show at the moment. EU is also struggling with “chlorine” washed chicken due to salmonella in Poland and the obvious solution being ....
Remainer love to demand that Leavers predoct the future but we have no certainty of any future inside the EU apart from ever closer integration and a move away from the “remain and reform” campaign agenda. Covered here in this Brexit Briefings piece
https://briefingsforbrexit.com/macrons-vision-and-the-remainer-project-a-crisis-for-what/
Interesting source again,no refs and not sure it mentioned much about agriculture. More like a long brexie rant.
Anyway still seeing if you want to let us know which countries are leaving trading blocs or heading to wto.
Or why ignoring more smuggling is a good thing.