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No,Ninny,you're going to have to explain that again,I hope you're more successful than last time.
ninfan - its you that are distorting my point. Its the facts. a year ago we had a net gain of 1000 eu nurses a month comig to the UK and registering. This has fallen to a net loss of 800
These numbers are from the NMC - the nurses regulatory body that managers the register of all nurses and midwives in the UK.
You keep on conflating NHS england with all nurses UK wide
THM has no credibility left having been shown up as a no nothing fantasist who when pressed for evidence of his ridiculous claims cannot substantiate them
You on the otherhand Ninfan merely like to distort peoples posts tomake debating points.
Here is the data
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;"> https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/special-reports/nmc-eu-report-june-2017.pdf</span>
Aw tj,you know they don't like evidence.
had a net gain of 1000 eu nurses a month comig to the UK and registering.
No, The data doesn't say that, it says you had a net gain of 1000 a month <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Registering for the first time</span>
You have NFI when they arrived in the UK, and the NMC themselves puts part of the blame on the decline down to new language tests rather than Brexit
So, you except that registrations have fallen drastically, and that Brexit is a major reason for that Ninfan? You can throw some shade about other related issues, and when exactly nurses set their feet on UK soil, but you agree with the main point made?
you except that registrations have fallen drastically
Of course I do
but thats not what TJ initially claimed, he referred to the number <span style="text-decoration: underline;">coming to the UK</span> which simply doesn't follow
THM: your supercilious twaddling is happening again
Trying to keep up zokes, trying to keep up. The bar is set very high
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px; background-color: #eeeeee;"> I for one cannot hope to match those efforts. Never could, never will</span>
Probably because you just declare you are right and dont bother with tedious little details.
Nurse applicants now require an English Certificate if its not their first language. I’d wager that’s the single most important factor in the decline in applications.
Stay classy Jamba
I know that english requirement is not onerous for EU applicants but is much more onerous for non eu - thats my experience of working in the NHS all my life. EU nurses have better English by and large
Ninfan - you just showed your complete ignorance of how the registration process works. Numbers of non eu nurses joining the register is the same as the number coming to the UK. You don't join the register after living here for years, you don't join the rgister if you are not coming to the UK
Pigface ?
You may well be right TJ but as I have said numerous times a good friend is an ex-NHS nurse and now works in HR for the local NHS Trust.
I’d wager that’s the single most important factor in the decline in applications.
Is this based on your extensive experience?
TJ kindly posted all the evidence you needed a few pages back. He’s very helpful
Mike based on speaking to my friend amd on the timing of the change in application requirements
So no then.... like most of your posts.
I'd take the word of people working directly in the field or the guy speaking to people turning down the UK jobs because of Brexit as a more legitimate source rather than opinions to back up your brexit fantasy.
Putin must be chuckling into his borscht at his investment in brexshit managing to even damage the NHS
https://www.byline.com/column/67/article/2048
I don't blame brexies, they didn't realise they were being manipulated
Ad I said mike go and read TJ’s sources - all you need to know and plenty of support for both Jambas and ninfans points.
and the ones about the translators, and ikea and all the other crap like WTO terms?
We have a lot of people being very clear that they don't see the UK as somewhere they want to move post brexit.
Citigroup? BNP Paribas? Both oddly swimming against the tide
Still at least Brexshits been good for investment...
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Citigroup? BNP Paribas? Both oddly swimming against the tide
There is a world outside of banking. It's called the real world where we need nurses etc.
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Iirc BNP said they were trying to exploit the confusion caused by brexit to gain a market share which they currently lack not sure that's such a ringing endorsement and they are moving roles to Paris
They are French kilo !!
well mike TJ already posted the data that shows that blaming Brexshit for NHS nursing is BS
So the prospect of being kicked out of the country has not had an impact?
BNP is in free fall and has never been much good in London anyway. Brexit is just convenient excuse for management rather than admitting they’ve not really established themselves as juch of anything investment banking wise. Banks like Deutsche are much more of an indicator and they’ve said they will move lower level trade processing to Germany, high value add positions remain in London. As I have posted before IMO many banks will use Brexit as an excuse to close down business units which frankly they should have shut a while ago as non viable/profitable.
THM with more assertions without evidence?
*insert chewin the fat meme "I smell............"*
@kimbers it is normal that investment was put on hold during period of uncertainty. As I said before I expect a bit of Brexit Bounce once there is clarity on the outcome even if thats WTO
Jambas BNP are investing IN London
So BNP expanding in London is an excuse to get out due to Brexit?
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">Brexit Bounce once there is clarity on the outcome even if thats WTO</span>
And I'll waste my time again asking you which countries trade on WTO only in the world. It's a very inconvenient thing you keep avoiding....
You posted the evidence TJ thanks. We don’t have to.
Is you kilfile not working these days ?
No mike is simply disproves a lot of the bllx posted about the impact of Brexshit.
THM that was a reply to Jamby's fantasy land. You still are short of the UK objectives of brexit, don't worry May will brief us all if she makes it out of Belfast with her knees intact
Labour are just the worst of all at the moment, they are sitting on the fence just to win the next election on ambiguity<span st, rather than being honest about thier intentions.
Corbyn has always ironically been anti EU, Thier absence of opposition is just as much to blame here as the the tory plan, but it suits thier agenda.
That leaves the public with no real choice unless they vote lib dems.
Edit, I tried to clear the tags, but this forum.. Jeez...
The government and the opposition simply want to get in for party political reasons , regardless of the fallout. Short termism at its best. Sod the country.
blaming Brexshit for NHS nursing is BS
Sigh - many factors - one of which is Brexit - all the others lie at the door of the government… so, a combination of the government's approach to Brexit, and their movement of the goalposts for migrant health workers within the EU, and the hostile costly environment they have deliberately created for migrant workers from outside the EU, and the removal of funding for training for UK recruits, and the crisis in funding of NHS hospitals, and lack of funding of in community nursing, and arms length provision of nursing homes, and care homes… and… all AS WELL AS BREXIT.
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Labour are just the worst of all at the moment, they are sitting on the fence just to win the next election on ambiguity...
Being generous… it's because they also can't form a Brexit plan which would be supported by more than about a third of the population… both parties keep kicking the can down the road… what choice do they have?
There has been a 0,4% in total nurses according NMC figures from the peak two years ago. Drop in EU nurses is less than 5%, 1,765. NHS figures for England show increases for both.
It's not labour's job, it's not labour's mess, and unless strong 'n' stable calls another election, one way or the other it'll be done before they get a chance to do anything about it even if they had the most coherent policy ever formulated.
Sure, I personally would be much happier if they had a policy position that was articulate and clearly stated, but I'm also wise enough to see why for political expedience, having their cards on the table might not be such a good idea right now. It's not as if they need to take political risks to score points on the government right now, the Tories are astonishingly good at that themselves.
And here comes mefty also in egypt. Read the NMC figures - they are for TOTAL nurses across the UK not just NHS ENGLAND
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">" [quote="jamba"]Banks like Deutsche are much more of an indicator and they’ve said they will move lower level trade processing to Germany, high value add positions remain in London"</span>
And this has been categorically ruled out by thew EU as insufficient. Computer systems senior staff all have to be under EU law to trade in much of the EU financial service market
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">Michel Barnier, the European Commission’s chief negotiator, publicly ruled out a special deal for the City in December, stating that Theresa May’s red lines on Brexit made the loss of the so-called “passporting rights” inevitable. </span>
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<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">“In leaving the single market, they lose the financial services passport,” he said in an interview with European newspapers at the time.</span>
TJ if brexshit has shown us anything it's that it's all about little England!
NHS digital said that the rise in unfilled nurse positionz rose by 8% last year, im sure we can't blame Brexit for all of that but certainly doesn't help.
DUBLIN (Reuters) - Britain’s financial companies can either establish full-blown subsidiaries in the European Union after Brexit or fall back on financial regulatory “equivalence”, European Commission Vice-President Valdis Dombrovskis said on Thursday.
EU negotiators see no room for Britain keeping “passport” access to EU financial markets for its banks, diplomats in Brussels said earlier this week. And Dombrovskis told a separate event in Dublin late on Wednesday this could be discussed given Britain’s wish to leave the single market.
“Equivalence is applied to a third country with a regulatory and supervisory framework comparable with the EU and can be used as a tool,” Dombrovskis told a news conference in Dublin.
“Another possibility, which is currently available is the establishment of presence in the EU27, that doesn’t mean letterbox companies.”
Equivalence is a legal mechanism that allows countries from outside the bloc to access the single market of 440 million consumers in limited circumstances.
Banks were already speaking to local authorities in connection with relocating within the single market, Dombrovskis said.
“This is all that is currently available, but I cannot prejudge at this stage what the outcomes of the negotiations will be,” he added.
Thats the EU position
Equivalence has been ruled out by May and co with their adherence to stupid redlines, passporting is ruled out, letterbox companies are ruled out. All thats left is for the banks to move their operations into the EU unless May can come up with something in the next couple of weeks. Financial services have siad they need clarity by march.
it’s not labour’s mess
Oh, but it is. Without Labour MPs playing their part in the Leave campaign, do you really think things would have gone the same way? And the Labour leader going MIA when it came to key national campaign set pieces fed into the anti-Cameroon aspect of the vote. Oh, and the small matter of calling for A50 to be triggered early, and then whipping MPs to support triggering A50 without first planning what should replace EU membership. And if that wasn't enough to "doubt" the Labour leadership… since the snap election it has done bugger all to help form the future of this country or to hold the government to account over the Brexit issues… and yes, those are rules we should expect the official opposition to perform. Labour are failing us just as much as the government… when did they last do something that made you think that we'd be any better off as regards the Brexit process if they were to take power?