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THM, ask Bloomberg for a new graph if you're so keen to compare apples with oranges. The graph I posted wasn't created by me… so repeatedly asking me to produce you a graph is just time wasting trolling.
So "Brexit dividend"… why does this keep popping up if "people get the point about the negative impact"? Additional borrowing projected by OBR suggests that is fantasy… but it's still reported as news by most media outlets (it was impossible to avoid it on the BBC this week).
Your the one who was putting up a pointless chart and then getting narky when it’s pointed out. True remoaner style. Exaggerate and abuse when fronted
And BTW it’s Richard to you
But his actual comments are merely common sense.
You'd think so… but only this week key ministers were saying they expect no negative impact as a result of not being inside SM & CU.
I don’t GAF what they say in posturing. - which is all that’s happening
i an merely relieved that Uk economy is doing better that expected, that manufacturing is recovery, jobs are being created etc all at a slowing part of our very extended economic cycle I am also happy that the EUs later recovery is now well established and accelerating although concerned that this might be capped by strong € I prefer win:win scenarios
but frankly more concerned about what happens when official stealing ends in 3Q this year, are we ready for a shock?
“Igm – agreed, the forum is basically screwed now.”
Think Of the new forum as post-Brexit Britian: sort of works, some sycophants think it’s brilliant, but it’s essentially ****ed
Johnson as you would expect merely talks sense
"There's a lot of uncertainty about how damaging," he says.
“If you think a sovereign state should have control of its borders - and it's not unreasonable to think a sovereign state ought to have control of its borders - then you need to be outside the EU," he says
"But there is a cost to that, an economic cost," he says. "What both sides are wrong about is suggesting you can have your cake and eat it, to coin a phrase."
Agreed
Johnson as you would expect merely talks sense
It's always confusing when you dip back into this thread at the end and have to read up for context. A different Johnson - that explains it.
What i thought a well aracer
Still THM seems to have taken cougars comments to heart and has stopped trolling his arse of prodding at everyone but jamby and igm
Its an edifying and beautiful sight to behold him discussing like a grown up
This could actually be a debate if we stopped feeding him.
Exaggerate and abuse when fronted.
Cite my exaggerated claim.
My abuse is rare, and as far as I can remember, has only been aimed at one person when it has slipped out… not due to having a different opinion, but because of tone and attitude. Nether the less, I should never do it, it's always the wrong thing to do. I apologise THM.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: #eeeeee;">We are literally becoming a 3rd world country.</span>
It would seem to me you have never been to the third world ? We are the 5th richest country in the world and Brexit is going to be beneficial to us
TMH of course the EU is our richest neighbour, they are our only neighbour 😉 As for making trade more difficult, possibly marginally so yes. The issue is the trade off, we will be making trade with the rest of the world (where 90% of global growth will come from) much easier. Plus we will lose lots of unecessary and irrelevant regulation. Net net its going to be a massive win imho. It’s the EU which have realled F’d this up, decades of heading in the wrong direction and too stubourn to acknowledge it. Junker and the EU took a punt on a Remain vote and lost, they too fell into the trap that somehow the views of Farage et al where in a minority.
Cheers Kelvin but nae probs. You might as well get “dick” comments when there is no report button 😉
That this is no longer correct, thanks to Brexit
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12.8px; background-color: #eeeeee;">We are the 5th richest country in the world</span>
https://www.ft.com/content/7508bf1e-8a46-11e6-8cb7-e7ada1d123b1
Just marks this as self-delusion
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12.8px; background-color: #eeeeee;">and Brexit is going to be beneficial to us</span>
As for making trade more difficult, possibly marginally so yes.
So you think the ending of free trade might just cause some trade issues....possibly. It has to have a negative effect for economic reasons even I understand 😉
both of these are hopes not reality where as trade being affected is certain.The issue is the trade off, we will be making trade with the rest of the world (where 90% of global growth will come from) much easier.
except we are port it all across . Even if true it will take some time for this win to happenPlus we will lose lots of unecessary and irrelevant regulation.
I genuinely read that in the voice of TRump In fairness I think this says more about me than you.Net net its going to be a massive win imho
“We are the 5th richest country in the world and Brexit is going to be beneficial to us”
Thought it was 6th since the Brexy vote.
”Plus we will lose lots of unecessary and irrelevant regulation.”
Unfortunately not. The reality is the standards and regulations will end up still applying de facto, but we will no longer have a say in defining them. Such is life. But you’ll get used to it.
igm it moves about a bit due to fx rates, hence 5->6 post Leave vote and now I believe back to 5th
Relative GDP growth since 1998 (not chart is to March 2017 but story is the same)
Lol graph stops on 2016...
So you’re story is we’ve done well as part of the EU then Jamba, me old son. That’s what you’re chart shows.
Smiley winking face.
Wow being in the EU has been amazing for the UK according to jambas graph
igm it moves about a bit due to fx rates, hence 5->6 post Leave vote and now I believe back to 5th
Latest report still has us behind France. The good news is we're due to move out of 6th place this year though. India is due to overtake us too.
So going by that graph, if anyone should be leaving the EU it’s Italy. Unless Greece can blame Europe for its crash.
Remain, that ship has sailed
Jeremy Corbyn on Marr show today
@zokes EU has held us back, Eurozone is disaster for most esp Italy. Greece abused the system using euro as it’s tool of choice.
I never knew you were such a Corbyn fan
Eurozone is disaster for most esp Italy.
Well it's a good job we're leaving that then...
“EU has held us back”
You don’t half chat some shit. Take another look at the graph YOU posted and try again.
You see that dip in 2008 zokes? That was the EU was that.
😂😂😂
its takes a real special levels to both post a graph that does not support your claim that ends before the period we are discussing.
Chapeau Jamby
TBH it's fairly tough to find any evidence to support the claims, better off just being bold and hoping people don't look at it
Are you taking about remoaners or leavers, mike?
Seems like a no score draw so far
It pretty obvious who he is talking about not least because he says it.
I note you chose to not defend jamby but went for the approach of shooting those who pointed out the weakness in his point/graph, so weak even you cannot defend him/it. Given this why shoot folk/a point you actually agree with?
As i said previously you are correct the current economic view is mixed [ but we are growing slower than them and the B of E think it has cost us]and it seems as if its not going to be as bad as project fear [ many of us never thought it would be]. However that is not saying its going to be better - which again is a view you yourself hold.
Essentially you have attacked him even though you agree with his points.
1066
Wasn’t project fear the thing about billions of Turkish / Syrian immigrants overrunning your school / GPs?
It was pretty successful. Playing to people's fears normally is.
Both sides did it with one side over egging the economic consequences and one side lying about how much money was spent and immigration.
I dont see a lot to be proud of in either campaign personally but I think leave were both the bigger lies and , self evidently, the more successful.
The problem is now many of us can still just see the lies and that it wont achieve what they want and cannot get behind this, where as thm can [ no insult intended]. The country is probably more divided now than before the vote and I dont see a resolution to this near 50/50 split. Some people are going to be unhappy.
My real problem is we will end up with a deal that no one was really voting for and probably could not have won if the choice was the deal we get or remain. Another referendum on the final deal, whilst still my preference, wont help heal the rift that splits parties and the people.
Pretty clear who we’re talking about, thm. Stop trolling.
2nd ref is looming I think.
EU has held us back
You keep saying this, but you've not managed to bring any convincing evidence. You're covinced though so you must have some. Haven't you?
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Heard that (always listen to that show). Oborne is a good writer, but panel shows don't really suit him, do they?
THM and Jamba have very different views of what should, and what will, happen as regards the UK and rEU… and very different styles of posting about that… not hard to tell them apart.
Seem to remember saying something similar to this previously based on my own knowledge and experience. Not sure it’s nice to see folk agreeing with me.
It seems that the Tories too busy briefing against each other over Brexit to bother fixing any of the real issues that affect the country.
It's the Traitors Vs the Swivel-eyed
Indeed. I wonder if the infighting will lead to some sort of schism within the party, or will permanently taint the Conservatives in the eyes of the electorate.
Apologies if that reads a lot like wishful thinking.
the swivel-eyed are going to be furious if they dont get what they want, unfortunately for them a recent poll has only 16% wanting to leave the single market
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;"> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/majority-back-continued-single-market-membership-after-brexit-new-poll-finds-a3744116.html</span>
In the 50/50 world of brexit, thats a big number and underlines that Mays Lancaster House speech was just another of her standard misreadings of the situation
From her time as Home Secretary, it's been obvious that May's long term strategy has been to dither, obfuscate and generally do very little until a problem goes away. May is playing for time, it's obvious to her that Brexit is most definitely not a binary choice and that we need to be closely aligned with some trading bloc and as a result there will be a supranational agreement and legal framework of some description that makes a mockery of the idea of "sovereignty". There's genuine distaste amongst the public for a trade deal with the US that will result in lower food standards or letting US big pharma gouge the NHS. Likewise, simply engaging with the EU and asking for concessions in exchange for remaining in the EU isn't enough to placate those who were told that bendy bananas, incandescent light bulbs, brown people with prosthetic hooks and "red tape" are costing us £350m a week and that we can have all of the advantages offered by membership of the EU for free because Winston Churchill single-handedly liberated Europe in 1945. Likewise, remaining in the Customs Union and Single Market means some open border policy and adherence to trading bloc rules without any say in future legislation.
You can't blame May for bumbling along, promising everything to everyone and hoping that the problem simply goes away, a bit like the Westminster abuse inquiry.