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and what about the increase spending in Calais and TM saying the UK will accept more immigrants ??
I thought that France will have to pay for the border , another red line turning pink ish ........
[quote=tjagain ]UK: You bastards! Nigel was right. You're out to destroy us. We'll go and speak to Donald instead. HE has unicorns!
EU: Errrrrmmm, there ARE no unicorns.
UK: Donnie, can we have some unicorns please?
Donnie: We have the best unicorns, the best. Making unicorns great again!
EU: There are no unicorns, you don't have any unicorns Mr Trump.
Donnie: Fake news. Sad.
another red line turning pink
The UK obviously prefers it in the brown rather than the pink.
Possibly too crass? Mods Feel free to delete if nessesary.
Kilo. My brain sticks to very simple things
Hence I read what people actually say rather than sifting through what others claim they say including what the EU thinks would happen to EU Fis activities in the UK in the event of a no deal that the foolhardy might expect. It comes in the first few pages of their briefing paper.
BNP are not muppets and they will have sounded out the powers that be re likely outcomes. Hence their actions this week are an important clue about what the French really expect. Unsurprisingly they are not alone
Smart folk are capable of dealing with the shades of grey that lie between black and white. ‘‘Twas ever thus.
Yeah and stupid folk will riot when they don’t get their unicorns. ‘‘Twas ever thus. Hope you’re hoping for a cold wet summer.
teamhurtmore - MemberBNP are not muppets
Yes they are.
No like the negotiations I am hoping for the best (while preparing for the worst)
Odd to hope for nasty things
"Cold wet summer" comment was clearly related to "riots", which no one wants (although some threaten).
I would not hope for either.
But if people keep exaggerating things I guess it could happen. Who needs responsible people?
Given today's "Brexit means more custom costs and an agreed increase in immigration" news, I think we all do.
What a shower of crap this government is. They could appoint the former director of carillion and get better quality.
Mis Sold Brexit
Don't tell the Conservatives, we'll end up with a 2018 swim suit calander featuring theresa may with a carefully placed sash over her nips.
None of us voted for that.
When 99% of the EU side say - "this is what is impossible, this is what is possible" and the Tories say "this is what we want" despite it being rules out categorically which side will prevail?
The side that contains 27 countries and is all completely aligned and rock solid or the side that has an wish list that has been ruled out and that changes from week to week?
One side has solid policy, the other side has a wish list
Problem is, the only thing holding the Tories together is their fantasy brexit. As soon as they have to make a meaningful decision the govt will fall apart.
As aligned and rock solid as the defence at Anfield
What was the question earlier?
Well done Brexiteers...who needs to move forward when we're heading back to the 1950's anyway.
https://euobserver.com/science/140617
Yebbut who needs Galileo, and all the associated industry that comes along with it, when there's that UKIP chap who wants us to be mining asteroids by 2026?
When 99% of the EU side say - "this is what is impossible, this is what is possible" and the Tories say "this is what we want" despite it being rules out categorically which side will prevail?The side that contains 27 countries and is all completely aligned and rock solid or the side that has an wish list that has been ruled out and that changes from week to week?
One side has solid policy, the other side has a wish list
You appear to have forgotten that we went to the EU and said "We were elected on the basis of trying to secure a better deal, so, what can you offer us?... and please bear in mind that we need to put it in front of the people in a referendum"
So the EU made their offer
and the people said, "not good enough, we'd rather leave"
Which is why we are where we are now.
but we should have gone back after the non-binding referendum, and said "ok this is serious shit now...what can you give us?"
[url= http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/01/18/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-brexit-endgame-in-five ]Another very concise explanation of where we are and what happens next[/url]
Assuming your reply has any relevance at all to what you quoted, it's interesting logic to be surprised that we can't get unicorns now we're leaving when they wouldn't give us unicorns when we were still members.
Though how many leave voters do you think voted leave because the EU's offer wasn't good enough? How many would have voted remain if the offer had been better? How many were even aware that there had been any negotiation at all? How many voted leave for completely different* reasons?
* double meaning intended
I'm looking forward to going on the Boris bridge to France.
He could launch a cryptocurrency to fund it. Brexitcoin.
Though how many leave voters do you think voted leave because the EU's offer wasn't good enough? How many would have voted remain if the offer had been better? How many were even aware that there had been any negotiation at all? How many voted leave for completely different* reasons?
I dont know, you tell me.
Ah, my apologies, I assumed you were implying the EU's offer was significant in the outcome of the referendum. Clearly that's not the case.
So the EU made their offer
and the people said, "not good enough, we'd rather leave"
The referendum made no attempt to put "their offer" to the electorate.
So we are steaming ahead with Brexit whilst continuing to play ball in Calais and Boris wants a bridge to improve links to Europe.
Ironing anyone?
was it kelvin who had feed the troll to the tune of band aid going round in his head?
Twodogs suggests EXACTLY what Boris and others proposed would happen if Leave had a narrow win. Hey ho.
And … "bridge!" … "squirrel!"
Boris really is a (highly successful) devious shit, isn't he.
Yeah, but the seemingly juicy steaks I'm putting out are poisoned.
Jamba/ninfan/THM - any views on the relocation of the satellite centre to Spain? Presumably moves like this are a price worth paying? Particularly as they don't affect you directly.
So we are steaming ahead with Brexit whilst continuing to play ball in Calais and Boris wants a bridge to improve links to Europe.
Looks like going to be even less successful than his last bridge.
He seems fascinated with infrastructure programs which just wont work.
Although admittedly it might solve the daily hates issue with Russian warships sailing through the channel if a bridge makes it too dangerous for all the traffic to navigate.
Hey I'd be on for a zipwire across the channel. Maybe he could test it out.
Not really getting the bridge thing,actually find it a bit incredulous that he would say such a ridiculous thing considering what he is part of.
TBH I vaguely remember some images of a bricked up eurotunnel on my Facebook by my esteemed brexiter FB school friends, I don’t think they voted to have more access to France.
Why are you asking me AD?
Though how many leave voters do you think voted leave because the EU's offer wasn't good enough? How many would have voted remain if the offer had been better? How many were even aware that there had been any negotiation at all? How many voted leave for completely different* reasons?
How many remainers abused CMD at the time and are now living to regret it. Ok he oversold it MASSIVELY but that was as good as it gets. And he was largely villified even by those papers who now have to resort to exaggerated scare stories in order to deny a democratically achieved result
Funny old business
CMD?
Worst prime minister of the last hundred years.
Paxman on Room 101 now, describing him perfectly.
Kelvin - May is worse by a long way. At least CMD was not incompetent and could actually control his party.
A PM who cannot reshuffle her ministers?
May is trying to sort out the shit CMD left behind. She's not doing the job well, but it's a job that can't be done well.
@AD we should expect all EU instututions to move. Personally I can’t wait to get rid of the EIB (European Investment Bank). What amuses me with all the EU’s media briefings about moving all these other entites they’ve said nothing about the EIB. It is easily the most significant EU entity in the UK.
Yes I appreciate there may be a personal cost to some staff but the cost and risk to the country of being the EU is just too great IMO.
TJ every Tory PM is worst than the last one right ? If it's not May it will be Boris, Gove or another Brexiteer so be careful what you wish for.
He could launch a cryptocurrency to fund it. Brexitcoin.
🙂 🙂 🙂
From Politico.eu .. maybe there will be a Government in Germany next week
BERLIN — Europe’s politicos are heading into the weekend quietly confident that Germany’s Social Democrats will pave the way to another grand coalition at a special party congress on Sunday.
Never mind that this conventional wisdom is born of the same instinct that led most of us to assume the Brexit referendum would fail and that Donald Trump would lose. [b]Then as now, the alternative would appear to be too scary to contemplate[/b].
Hard to imagine the chaos that could unfold if the Germans go to the polls again in April, would mean no Government till June ? EU negotiations would be paralysed.
Would that make you happy?
As it has been based in Luxembourg since 1968 and was in Brussels before that where are you expecting them to relocate to ?What amuses me with all the EU’s media briefings about moving all these other entites they’ve said nothing about the EIB
Its finance you work in right?
“France would [b]probably[/b] vote to Leave the EU in a Referendum”
President Macron on Andrew Marr this morning
He spoke a lot about democracy but in the same breath said Remain/Leave was too complicated to allow people to vote 😯
Majority of EIB’s staff work at the London office. I know 10-20 of them quite well. Classic EU nonsense goes on there and they pay virtually no income tax either. Politics and banks really don’t mix
but in the same breath said Remain/Leave was too complicated to allow people to vote
Not quite what he said and taken out of context, but he is correct. Look at the mess we are in as a result of "simplification of information". A Referendum should be at the end of these kinds of (informed) debates not done in the absence of information and lashings of hyperbole (as our was) . Although I guess we have demonstrated to the world what happens when you do it wrong so hopefully Brexit won't be a complete disaster if it educates the rest of humanity.