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Best for the EU most certainly
Thanks for posting a great reason for staying in Jambalaya.
Don't you agree that a sense of selflessness feels good and invigorating?
Mike I have covered numerous examples in the past 1,200 pages
For example on the cost of regulations I posted a paper from Open Europe (pro EU group) entitled “Still out of control” 😯 they produced 7 years ago £170bn cost since 1998, plus they did another in 2015 which said fhe top 100 EU regulations alone cost Britain £33bn per anum
kelvin - Member
Why is our democratic country not allowed to change its mind?
Just as we have had votes to join and parliamentary votes to expand membership we could have another vote tomorrow, which then if it went remain every brexiter and DM reader would instantly line up behind and say fair cop guvnor we is staying like, where is my burgundy passport and respect for my fellow europeans.
plus they did another in 2015 which said fhe top 100 EU regulations alone cost Britain £33bn per anum
List the "costs"… ignore the benefits.
That also sums up the (brilliant) Leave campaign perfectly.
Don't you agree that a sense of selflessness feels good and invigorating?
I prefer that sense of selflessness to be focused firstly on my fellow British citizens and secondly the UK is one of the most generous countries in the world regarding foreign aid.
the ones we will still have as law the day we leave those ones?fhe top 100 EU regulations alone cost Britain £33bn per anum
Yes you are posting costs with no explanation or reference to their value, you ignore the value of trade with the EU and how it has helped the UK over the years, you ignore the benefits of negotiating from a bigger position and things like the positive impact immigration is having in Scotland at the moment. Or what the cost of setting up parallel bodies in the UK will be to replicate things we only had to pay a fraction of before.
As the saying goes some know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
the EU is as good as we can hope for a decent blend of capitalism and socialism.
I've said it before and looks like I'll have to say it again.Ask the African nations what they think of the EU if they think it plays fair with regards to trade with the some of the poorest countries on earth.I know some on here love their Guardian links but can't recall any of the "lefties" posting this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/28/the-european-union-is-an-ongoing-disaster-for-africa
I prefer that sense of selflessness to be focused firstly on my fellow British citizens
If the guy next door to me is a Polish rather than a British citizen, I do not make him a lower "priority".
[i][ I should probably have used Portuguese or French as my example, just for you Jamba ][/i]
It seems that some are super massive black holes when it comes to reasons.
I predict that someone will question the existence of super massive black holes on account that no one has ever been in one and come out again to confirm this.
if they think it plays fair with regards to trade with the some of the poorest countries on earth
Have you looked at which countries the EU/CU has unilaterally low or zero tariffs for? Have you heard of the "everything but arms" agreements for the poorest countries?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_but_Arms
I've said it before and looks like I'll have to say it again.Ask the African nations what they think of the EU if they think it plays fair with regards to trade with the some of the poorest countries on earth.I know some on here love their Guardian links but can't recall any of the "lefties" posting this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/28/the-european-union-is-an-ongoing-disaster-for-africa
Western countries have been taking advantage of Africa and South America since before I was born.
There is nothing lefty about that, it's domination.
The EU is at least trying to move in a good direction with fair trade, rights, protecting the environment etc.
Leaving the EU would leave us just as knackered and exposed, as the Donald would say "some shit hole Country".
Contemplate that for a while.
http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/how-the-eu-starves-africa/
Yes, CAP favours our own food production over that of developing (and other developed) nations. Good job that we (the UK) have make plenty of progress at reducing CAP spending… and I'm sure, as members, would keep pushing for a continual, gradual, reduction in the CAP budget. Also (see my links) we give developing nations preferential treatment as regards tariffs. Read about GSP+, EBA etc. All interesting (and one of hundreds of things I didn't know about how the EU works back in 2016 when I voted).
I prefer that sense of selflessness to be focused firstly on my fellow British citizens and secondly the UK is one of the most generous countries in the world regarding foreign aid.
On the first point, I am delighted to differ from you, and certainly will not argue. Please keep reposting it.
On the second point. We are generous with regards to foreign aid. We are also still in the EU. I don't know Brexiters in any real numbers that wish to see an increase of foreign aid. Show me that is the trend, or please don't denigrate foreign aid from jumping on that bandwagon. I get a sense of your opinion of foreign aid towards Eastern Europe for example. They are foreigners after all. They don't drink magnums of Tattinger, or seek 10% share dividends like you or I so they must be different.
Also, although countries in Africa may feel aggrieved by the EU, if they think a Brexit vote will somehow consolidate support for their sorrows within the UK and thus show an increase in financial assistance from us, they are as deluded as those that believed Farage when he said that leaving the EU would give all UK citizens "long pieces of bent string."
Brexiter Britain!
[url= https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/904976/UK-foreign-aid-Penny-Mordaunt-Brexit-news/amp ]Countries should look after themselves[/url]
Brexit supporting Tory Penny Mordaunt saying countries should look after themselves. Great advert for foreign aid I think.
I might be biased as my wife had to head out in dangerous driving conditions of deep snow toaday with a Polish born colleague to deliver palliative nursing care to rural communities. They felt like they were in the trenches together, and certainly not looking after themselves. I suppose my wife should be doing that on her own?
May coughs up another £45m to add to the Brexit bill just to keep the border at Calais.
With Brexit already costing us estimated £350m a week in lost growth, it's just not much but I'd rather it'd been spent on the NHS for example.
Just an aspiration though kimbers, yeah? Let us do that!
I prefer that sense of selflessness to be focused firstly on my fellow British citizens
Why?
What the **** difference does it make it someone in need is British or Somalian? Seriously?
how will your french wife feel about this as you retire in portugal?I prefer that sense of selflessness to be focused firstly on my fellow British citizens
You are an example to us all in putting Britain first
You are an example to us all in putting Britain first
😆
Just subtle enough...
What the **** difference does it make it someone in need is British or Somalian?
A lot of difference to a racist person.
UK: We want a unicorn
EU: We don't do unicorns. None of us have unicorns, There are no unicorns.
UK: But we promised unicorns and the people have spoken. We want unicorns
EU: That's not really our problem. There are no unicorns
UK: You're being unreasonable. We demand unicorns
EU: There are no unicorns
UK: You are bullying us with your outrageous demands!
EU: Eh? We just said there are no unicorns because... well... there are no unicorns.
UK: OK! We get your game. You're stalling! We're prepared to walk away without a unicorn you know! (Thinks: that'll show'em)
EU: There are no unicorns.
UK: You bastards! Nigel was right. You're out to destroy us. We'll go and speak to Donald instead. HE has unicorns!
EU: Errrrrmmm, there ARE no unicorns.
UK: That does it. This is our final position. We want unicorns...right now... gold plated... fluent in greek....ermmm.... or we're off!
EU: Are you still here? There are no unicorns.
UK: DAMMIT! What about a packet of crisps then?
EU: Sorry we're busy.
Macron
Please allow me to be very clear. I’m here neither to punish nor to reward. I want to make sure that the single market is preserved because that is very much at the heart of the European Union.
So the choice is on the British side, not on my side. They can have [b]no differentiated access to financial services[/b]. If you want access to the single market, including the financial services, be my guest. But it means that you need to contribute to the budget and acknowledge European jurisdiction. Such are the rules and we know this is the system already in place for Norway.
[b]If you want a trade access, it will cover everything, but then it is not full access to the single market and to financial services. Otherwise it’s closer to the situation of Canada[/b]. We have some trade agreements which allow access to all services, be they financial or others, access as well to any industry sector, but not the same level of relationship as if you were a member of the single market. And there shall be no hypocrisy in this respect, otherwise it will not work. Or we would destroy the single market and its coherence.
So, its’s simple. I would not want to exclude any sector in the trade agreement to come. The negotiations will be led by Michel Barnier. But it does not mean that the access it will allow will be equivalent to [being] a member of the single market. Otherwise you can choose between Norway, or being the equivalent of a current member of the European Union.
From Labour MP Austin Mitchell, could not have put it better myself 😉 (he makes the same points I have been making for a year)
http://brexitcentral.com/time-britain-toughen-brexit-negotiations/
Great to see we are shipping out more of this unwanted EU bureaucracy. Give back control!
jambalaya - Member
From Labour MP Austin Mitchell
He's not an mp though is he
From Austin Mitchell's article…
The latter would mean an unhappy frustrated electorate forced to endure a relationship it doesn’t like.
This is pretty much guaranteed. No one has outlined a (single) new relationship that "the electorate" would prefer, and vote for, over membership.
@athgray the best way to help the developing world is though trade, e.g. remove the barriers on coffee imports put in place to protect German roasters (coffee beans are cheap to import to EU, roasted coffee faces high tariffs), remove high tariffs placed on clothes and footwear, remove high tariffs on agricultural products we don't produce (e.g. tinned peaches) etc etc
Junkyard it's the wife that most wants to go to Portugal not me, I do have friends who have done it and are encouraging us. Even if we retire there we'll not spend more than 4 months a year there would be my guess. Bizarre thing is with Schengen no one will know where are within Europe or for how long.
TJ is it quite illuminating how you take everything the EU, Macron etc say as factual but disagree with everything may and the Tories have to say. By the way Macron said during the French election he was going to cancel the Le Touquet agreement and draw up a new one. NOT. Macron is still under the illusion financial services are going to relocate to Paris, however with astronomical taxes and labour laws making it difficult to fire people he has zero chance of success. Most who are making a move will do so to Germany to be close to the centre of economic power and/or to cheaper jurisdictions like Ireland or Malta (Lloyds Insurance business). Also financial services are just a small proportion of our services business (29% I recall the figure is) and the vast majority of those business flows are not related to the EU at all. It is EU companies that are coming to London to borrow money, if they don't come to London they get no dosh.
My new shoes cost £7.33 from Decathlon. I don't want to go back to tinned peaches… I remember the late 1970s.
Was 30% a day or two ago. At this rate they'll be gone by brexit day anyway 🙂
Jamba - its because all the major players in the EU say the same thing and its very clear what is possible and what is not. NOne of Mays fantasies have any basis in truth. the simple fact is the UK cannot have finacial services in the EU without being a part of the EU and being under the ECJ
27 coutries say one thing. the leaders of the mainpolitical groups in the EU say the same thing. The EU president says the same thing. The EU negotiating team all agree.
May wants something that allthe above players have ruled out categorically and that would in some cases be against EU law
the finacial servies are already moving out.
Yet you believe what May wants will happen
Why do you keep on claiming things that are categorically ruled out and that are demonstrably false.
Macron needs to do his homework
So the choice is on the British side, not on my side. They can have no differentiated access to financial services. If you want access to the single market, including the financial services, be my guest. But it means that you need to contribute to the budget and acknowledge European jurisdiction. Such are the rules and we know this is the system already in place for Norway.
Why chose Norway when making a point about financial services?? Drunk or merely confused?
Why would one of Frances largest banks be increasing investment in the U.K. now?
A total crock
UK cannot have finacial services in the EU without being a part of the EU and being under the ECJ
😯
Why do you keep on claiming things that are categorically ruled out and that are demonstrably false.
Is an excellent question to ask widely
are you saying you are such a threat they ought to keep tracks off you?Bizarre thing is with Schengen no one will know where are within Europe or for how long
TJ, you are forgetting that TNUMTWNT. Apparently some people still believe this, or pretend to.
Thm is it to capitalise on the disruption of Brexit to gain market share in UK corporate and investment banking and because many corporates have noticed that there is less of a choice of banking partners, especially of those who are very well placed locally but who also really can act in Europe... So like good business practice they will make money as others suffer the chaos?
I know that.
But that missed a rather important point re reciprocity
TNUMTWNT
Eh?
They Need Us More Than We Need Them
I have a proposal, every one wants brexit should pay for it and have thier passports annulled, seeing as that's what they want.
That should free up enough cash for the rest of us to carry on as we are.
Everyone's a winner.
unfortunately the only person I knew at BNP parisbas who I could ask, we arrested so you'll have to expand on your usual clues as to what's going on in thm's brain 😉
Excellent from Tom Bell. 😆
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[quote=jambalaya ]From Labour MP Austin Mitchell, could not have put it better myself (he makes the same points I have been making for a year)
> http://brexitcentral.com/time-britain-toughen-brexit-negotiations/
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Let me paraphrase that for you: "we should demand unicorns"
I'm not sure if you think it's a big revelation that that's exactly how you think - it's standard Brexiteer delusional stuff, and you've made it clear enough over the last 1200 odd pages that's the philosophy you subscribe to.
I hope Jambalaya is watching french news channel tonight , lots of Brexit talks .
Even the english journalists are taking the piss out of TM . 😆
Austin Mithelo being quoted as if he made any sense? the guy is a proven nompty