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The NHS in the devolved area have the same issues as England because of the budget constraints and cuts set by Westminster.
The tories have never looked after the NHS. funding goes up as a % of GDP under labour and falls under the Tories
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As above, negative but manageableYou genuinely believe that don't you?
Incredible.
What a ridiculous fantasist. 30 000 shortfall of nurses and the loss of nurses is accelerating. 1000s of doctors short and accelerating. Huge % of the workforce retiring in the next few years with insufficient in training to replace them
there is non so blind as those who will not see.
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NOte the peaks and troughs and consider what governments were in power. Labour build and support the NHS, tories cut and attempt to destroy.
We still spend far less than comparable countries and its scandalous.
that the tory fantasists on here want to pretend its different shows how detached from reality they are
jambalaya » The NHS is going to be in better shape wirh substantially increased funding [b]as a result of Brexit.[/b]
Do explain how this is.
If you're going to shout"bollox" to a post abcked up with a link I suggest you address the issue raised in the link and counter it with something more solid than helpless ignorant cry of "bollox"
Why would he? By posting a link that shows that you misunderstand the role of the EBA you are giving him an excuse to merely dismiss the argument - sensibly in this case.
TJ some more great hyperbole there and still failing to link directly to Brexit - so assume you accept that your argument there was flawed. Hope springs....
So Frankfurt having the ECB is still more significant than Paris adding that EBA to the ESMA, when it comes to regulation? Please be clear what your point is THM, stop time wasting.
Like nailing jelly to a plate. Just make your point, rather than waving your hands around.
We did the EBA and EMA before and their roles, which debunked the doomsdayers then
“Our” point is that Ed is misguided in believing that Paris/France has any claim to be at the centre of European regulation. As those of us involved know they are more often an outlier as we saw with the Basel 4 negotiations at the end of the year. The location of the EBA is a convenient red herring for remoaners. Nothing more, apart from the amusement factor
Kelvin you could focus your attention on the fact that the tag team keep posting woefully inaccurate claims to support their undemocratic agenda. We need rosbif in the plate not jelly
Our point is that Ed is misguided in believing that Paris/France has any claim to be at the centre of European regulation.
So do you think it's Frankfurt? And increasingly so post Brexit?
Our point is that Ed is misguided in believing that Paris/France has any claim to be at the centre of European regulation.
I've never claimed that - go on quote me you distorting, misquoting master of putting words in people's mouths whilst accusing them of lying and making stuff up. You post dirty, THM and we all know. I linked the regulatory agency that's moving so you know exactly what I was refering to.
I've pointed out that London is losing infuence and regulatory power to Europe (not just Paris or even France)
Kelvin you could focus your attention on the fact that the tag team keep posting woefully inaccurate claims to support their undemocratic agenda.
No one has tried the "they'll be trouble on the streets if I don't get my way" undemocratic nonsense in this thread for ages. Just people saying we should take a different course, as our current one is damaging, in their eyes. Nothing undemocratic about that.
As for inaccurate claims, try putting some detail into your "you don't know shit" style empty posts. It really would help, and suggest that you want to engage, not enrage.
“Paris is the new regulatory centre”
Your words exactly. No it’s not. The EBA is relocating it’s activities there. That’s it.
And you are wrong on the second point too. This is on top of
If Brexit happens London is in trouble. Even if it doesn't happen London has already lost out and will be treated with caution in future
Of course it’s understandable that people will be confused. Barnier will be deliberately trying to raise uncertainty and confusion in this next phase especially with fin and other services
Yesterday was merely a pretend hint that if we are lucky we may be considered partly equivalent in terms of regulation. He was playing to an audience. Nothing more. Of course we are equivalent
Of course we are equivalent
The issue is, what keeps us equivalent, yet allows us to "take back control". How does the EU prevent us diverging in a way that could damage the interests of the remaining member states?
We did the EBA and EMA before and their roles, which debunked the doomsdayers then
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Youll have to go and show us this debunking because, the medicines regulations is still a huge headache for uk pharma & research
the uk is now asking to stay in the EMA too, another loss of soveignity!
Don’t ask me about taking back control - I am not a leaver
Keeping equivalence a better question. If we lose passports and rely on equivalence only then we will be operating under locally based subsidiaries for certain activiities (some simplification here). So we will have to stat equivalent by definition. Perhaps the issue that you are thinking about is what influence will we have over future EU regulation. To the extent that it deviates from global regulation, then less clearly.
THM,it's interesting that for all your claims of insider knowledge,you never provide any evidence in your favour,just resort to slagging other people off. If you have any real evidence to back up your claims,please present it,or shut up.
P.S. just saying "I know more than you" doesn't cut it,if you want us to agree with you,show us the evidence,otherwise,it's just trolling again,so sad.
or shut up
I think you mean "STFU".
Cue high brow retort about how childish it is to resort to remoaning name calling.
Sorry i forgot the 🙂
Yes I have it just gets ignored
Posted links to EU analysis on this many many pages ago and yet we still get the same guff published.
Ed just makes things up consistently. You can’t debate that as it’s mere fantasy. Eg confusing where people invest with the location of financial services providers above
You might as well have a debate about water a Mercedes is a better orange than an armadillo.
I am trying to be polite to a trolling moron DD,I'm not sure why I give him that much respect,he hasn't earned it yet 😥
And more,same old same old.
Turn you focus on those who claim that the UK has already experienced huge damage when it patently hasn’t or who post data that shows they are making things up about the impact of Brexit on NHS hiring
Or that UK financial services are about to collapse
Then you can have “respect”
If remoaners keep posting unsupportable gibberish they will get the same reaction that Brexshiteers did
Ah,back to the killfile,occasionally I hope he will produce evidence rather than bullshit,but what the hey.
Eviidence
1, we have moved to phase 2 - something that was denied could happen
2. Uk growth revised up (yes below EU but different cycles), manufacturing doing better than expected and recent trends in direct contrast to idea that U.K. had already seen huge damage
3. Real trolls have already debunked their own false arguments that Brexit has had huge impact on NHS staffing
Just because remoaners want to bully others by repeating BS doesn’t make it true. We saw that with the other side pre the vote
Given we all agree he is BS and trolling why are we feeding him?
Not sure what is worse tbh but ignoring him may lead to him behaving less like this.
Fact is London lost the job and the more I read this thread and anything Brexit connected whether it be May, DD, Hammond related the less sympathetic I feel toward GB and the more I want to distance myself from the cheating, distorting, have-cake-and-eat-it, fiscal dumping, back-door-to-Europe, shit on the poor news coming out of the UK. And I'm looking more to Macron to defend me and look after my interests than to give the UK any chance to cheat and gain unfair advantage.
The will to remain united is slipping away and the conditions for a trade war are maturing. Each new outrageous provocation from London turns the voters of Europe against GB (there's syspathy for Ireland, even the north despite the DUP). After 18 months of provocation and mauvaise foi from DD and co. it's increasingly a case of wanting Europe to protect its interests in the face of hostility and unrealistic expectations from GB. You need a Justin Trudeau when in fact you've got May, Hammond, Trump and DD. I know Trump shouldn't be on the list but people tend to put all the villains in the same basket.
I hope this makes you smile, THM, you'll no doubt accuse me of lying again, the trouble is I spend my time with Europeans of various nationalities in situations where nobody needs to be politically correct. Whether Spanish, German or French the people I spent Christmas with were anti-Brexit, but equally concerned that Europe make no concessions that GB could abuse or use to its advantage. You have to be worse off after Brexit because Europeans won't accept you being better off.
Well if you want to cut your own noses off to spite your face so be it
Ed you have long argued for people to be involved with economic sabotage in the UK in order to overturn the democratic process so your anti UK vitriole comes as no surprise
But you are correct
I want to distance myself from the cheating, distorting, have-cake-and-eat-it, fiscal dumping, back-door-to-Europe, shit on the poor news coming out of the UK
Did make me smile
Why?,because it's true?
thejesmonddingo - MemberTHM,it's interesting that for all your claims of insider knowledge,you never provide any evidence in your favour,just resort to slagging other people off. If you have any real evidence to back up your claims,please present it,or shut up.
Its because he has none. Why? Probably because he does not work in financial services at all. He has claimed to be a teacher numerous times.
Blatant fantasist and liar and a nasty bully who has been banned from here for bullying.
Junkyard - lazarusGiven we all agree he is BS and trolling why are we feeding him?
Not sure what is worse tbh but ignoring him may lead to him behaving less like this.
I suspect it would simply get shriller and worse - but he might get bored if no one answers him. Its way of trying to make himself look important and knowledgeable but unfortunately for him we can all see thru his shtick
It does really make me laugh the way everyone on here has now seen him for what he is.
And I'll bet within a few minutes THM will be making more baseless personal attacks on me - probably calling me a bully and a liar. Bet he has done this numerous times on this thread
What kind of damage? Reputational? Economic? Morale? Constitutional?Turn you focus on those who claim that the UK has already experienced huge damage when it patently hasn’t
THM in another everything is always about money shocker.
No need, the truth is out there.
Nice tone BTW and interesting change from posting inaccurate statements. ‘‘Twas ever thus.
Great irony too.
Blatant fantasist and liar and a nasty bully who has been banned from here for bullying.
Says the..... 😉
Still we will be on to the trade talks that would never happen soon, so save the vitriol for then.
Eviidence
1, we have moved to phase 2 - something that was denied could happen
Have we really?
As the "grown ups" have said many times
"Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"
Papering over the cracks is the only way to describe "phase 1"
#Turn you focus on those who claim that the UK has already experienced huge damage when it patently hasn’t
so going from the top of the G7 growth table to the bottom is not huge damage? Losing hundreds of EU nurses every month instead of gaining them? Losing thousands of EU doctors so locum shifts cannot be filled? Rising inflation outstripping growth so real wages fall, losing much of financial services to mainland Europe including the most profitable parts? Losing all influence over EU policy, losing medicines approval leading to shortages of drugs, Losing various regulatory bodies with the associated large numbers of visitors who spend good money to stay in hotels when attending stuff at those regulatory bodies. Huge increase in racist crime. Huge increase in costs - is it 3 billion extra spent so far on knew red tape etc etc.
the financial cost is already huge an this is only the beginning. The social cost is worse. and all because of an internal spilt in the tory party.
all this has already happened at huge cost to the country and population ( although the fantasist will deny despite the proof it has happened)
We have not moved to phase 2. simple lie. there have been no negotiations on the future relationship. there can't be until march at the very earliest. there is only a outline agreement on the 3 key issues and this has not been ratified yet
Phase one could have been done in 5 minutes had those in charge not been deluded
It’s all huge - even the whoppers.
Phase 1 was always BS - set conditions that merely delay the proper (public) negotiations. In the end each one was fudged which proves the delay theory (sorry Ireland)
In the spirt of the thread, progress has been huge so far.
Love the idea that we have lost “much” of our financial services when the the latest company announcements have revised down estimates from 000s to a huge few 00s roughly 5-6% of staff in London max. Huge with a capital H.
Still probably is huge when compared to the real impact on NHS staffing. Perhaps all things are relative 😉
A few hundreds? Deutschebank alone are moving 4000 staff from London to Frankfurt according the FAZ article linked to a few pages back.
Latest estimate down from that to 350
In line with trends seen for other banks.”Huge”
Bloody biased BBC leading with positive UK manufacturing output news tonight
“Huge” item up first 😉
welshfarmer - MemberA few hundreds? Deutschebank alone are moving 4000 staff from London to Frankfurt according the FAZ article linked to a few pages back.
don't bother a troll with inconvenient facts.
...and don’t check them either*. Much better if they are huge numbers ....
* although to be fair WF that number was quoted by them in the earliy days. Like all banks more realistic numbers are now available. As before in the hundreds not thousands. Still “huge” though....whole single digit %ages no less.
I can only go by what I read. The article in the FAZ (perhaps the most respected paper in Germany) was from today..
THM
So if bank passporting (correct term? ) is simply not allowed by the EU, London's future is still rosey?
From what I've heard that is looking like a likely outcome.
City firms plan to move 10,500 jobs out of the UK on “day one” of Brexit, with Dublin and Frankfurt the financial centres most likely to benefit from the UK’s departure from the EU.The job tracker compiled by the accountants EY, which counts job announcements to the end of November, found that the number of roles likely to be affected had fallen from estimates of 12,500 a year ago. But it also concluded that the jobs being affected by Brexit were not just the “back office” ones initially forecast, but “front office” staff who deal directly with clients.
The Bank of England has warned that 10,000 jobs could leave the City on “day one” after the UK leaves the EU.Sam Woods, a deputy governor of the Bank, also admitted that forecasts of 75,000 job losses over the long-term were “plausible” at an appearance before peers on the Lords EU financial affairs sub-committee on Wednesday.
Woods runs the regulatory arm of the Bank and based his estimate of 10,000 jobs on responses he received from 400 banks and financial firms required to provide him with their contingency plans for a hard Brexit.
He has been reviewing the plans since July and said some were being put in place – with banks reserving school places and hiring office space – but that this process would get under way “in earnest” in the first quarter of 2018.
The estimate of 75,000 job losses was made by consultancy Oliver Wyman, and based on the assumption that the UK would be left to rely on World Trade Organisation rules with no transition period after March 2019, when the UK leaves the EU.
Under this scenario, £10bn of tax revenue might also be lost, it said. The 75,000 estimate includes the knock-on effect of fewer City jobs to other parts of the economy.
Goldman Sachs has begun to implement contingency plans by taking the top eight floors of a 37-storey block under construction in Frankfurt, even though it is building a new European headquarters in London.The US investment bank employs 6,000 staff in London and its chief executive Lloyd Blankfein tweeted this week that the decision on how many staff to keep in London was “so much outside our control”.
The City expects 5,000 to 13,000 job losses among the 1.1 million people employed in the sector across Britain. This chimes with 10,000 losses the Bank of England said is plausible on Brexit Day in March 2019.Consultants like Oliver Wyman have forecast losses of 75,000 or far higher, though over several years.