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I am not confusing anything, I have been quite clear I have been looking at NHS England data as that is freely available and well presented and quite clearly shows despite all the scare stories the number of nurses from the EU has gone up in the last year. It is all in the data, just follow the links.
I haven't looked at the facts Mefty but as my Mrs has said, recruitment for NHS nurses/staff has dropped dramatically in the last few years (don't need 'facts' when your'e a nurse do you?
However, as I implied, there were more non EU staff (from India) working in the hospital the Mrs Egf worked in/was a patient in, than EU staff.
*I agree/understand that this may be a different situation in other parts of the country.*
mefty - MemberI am not confusing anything, I have been quite clear I have been looking at NHS England data as that is freely available and well presented and quite clearly shows despite all the scare stories the number of nurses from the EU has gone up in the last year. It is all in the data, just follow the links
mefty - MemberTotal NMC registrations are 690,000, total number of nurses in NHS England are less than half of that number so big gap between registrations and actual people doing the job.
Well why then do you muddle up nurses on the register UK wide with nurses working for NHS england? ONly half of the nurses in the UK work in the NHS in england
If you are not confused over this you are deliberately obscuring the simple fact that the number of EU nurses joining the register has dropped from plus 800 a month to minus 350 a month.
So financial services. Another place where brexit is causing huge damage.
According to Jamba above a deal is being done and the UKs financial services are going to be unaffected. Why then have Davies and Hammond been begging cap in hand to Germany?
Philip Hammond and David Davis have made a direct appeal to German business leaders to help them forge a Brexit deal to secure the future of Britain’s financial services.The chancellor and Brexit secretary travel to Germany on Wednesday on a charm offensive they hope will shift the EU’s implacable opposition to services being included in a final deal.
Useless gesture. Germany has made it clear that they will not break ranks and Germany is well placed to take financial services jobs - indeed many have gone there already.
No chance of a deal on financial services
Their trip comes just weeks after the[b] EU warned that a deal involving the City of London was not on the table[/b] as long as the UK insisted on exiting the single market.
Britain’s decision to leave the EU has already caused havoc in the financial services sector with thousands of jobs in corporate banking, asset management and insurance being moved to Frankfurt, Luxembourg, Amsterdam, Paris and Dublin.
Davis has claimed the UK can have a bespoke deal described as a “Canada plus plus plus” which would be similar to the EU trade deal with Canada “plus the best of Japan, the best of South Korea and the bit that is missing, which is the services”.While the EU has argued that this is impossible,
TJ it would be very helpful if you stopped making things up at the start of the day. Ok your scare stories on NHS have now been falsified - thanks for the links that did this as they were very helpful in putting the impact on the NHS into its correct context BTW - but that does not mean that you need to make things up about “havoc” in other industries such as banking.
The scale of job moves has been scaled back very significantly. UK banks are all well placed for each scenario and a deal of some sort is extremely likely. Yes, Jambas got the wrong end of the stick re Barnier’s comments yesterday but that is different
The EU’s own analysis indicates that no European city has the collection of benefits that had made London the #1 global financial centre and the the fragmentation of European wholesale markets carries costs for Europe too. They are very clear on this.
So be a good chap and stop making scare stories up
Thanks again for the helpful links to the NHS data. Must admit I thought it was a much bigger deal but happy to be corrected there 😉
So thm what do you think the impact of brexit will be on the NHS?
As above, negative but manageable and thanks to TJs data seemingly less negative that I previously thought
but manageable
We have seen how Hunt manages negative impacts this week. Just cancel a months worth of operations.
My friends in the NHS (nurses and doctors) all say it is running on vapours..
teamhurtmore - Member
As above, negative but manageable
You genuinely believe that don't you?
Incredible.
As above, negative but manageable
Your opinion. In some areas of the country you are simply wrong. And the sudden drop in EEA/EU nurses moving to those areas is a major part of this, even if you would rather pretend otherwise. See also huge rise in costs due to our post Brexit vote weaker currency.
The EU’s own analysis indicates that no European city has the collection of benefits that had made London the #1 global financial centre….
True. Other cities have a lot of catching up to do. A lot.
THM earlier
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Leku - as ever, important to understand the root causes even if it is convenient to blame Brexshit. Interestingly Brexshiteers tried the same trick by blaming the Eu and all the foreigners. You chose which is less correct.
Yep, Frankfurt is going to be THE place to be in the financial sector.
Could we repurpose the City into a theme park?
Zip wires from the taller buildings. Others used for urban paint balling? 🙂
The Leave cheerleaders would call that "rebalancing".
Each of the Uk banks have chosen different bases for the EU subsidiaries - so FKT is not a clear winner. All that is happening is that wholesale financial markets are in danger of being fragmented.
The losers include Eu corporates who will have access to smaller pools of capital at higher prices. Lose: lose again.
Lose: lose again.
Yup.
Some geographical areas gain, but he rEU as a whole loses as we Leave. As do we. Let's keep cheerleading…
You're going to have to think of a new strategy on here, THM. You've now accused just about every one of your adversaries of lying and making things up when it takes very few keyboard strokes to check and find that they aren't.
The losers include Eu corporates who will have access to smaller pools of capital at higher prices.
You're completely ingnoring how the markets work and how corporates finance here. Investors are actively searching out investment opportunities, people are richly paid to seek out return. There's a mountain of money seeking a profitable home and it matters not a jot whether it goes through Frankfurt, Paris or London. In the modern world money always finds it's way to where it's needed.
In fact I would argue the contrary position, more local markets/bank in the EU rather than London will allow easier, closer contacts with local entrepreneurs in local languages rather than having to go through London in English.
Everyone? Don’t do yourself down Ed. You and the still winning the contest by a mile - and setting the pace today too
New strategy? Yes rely on you guys to post links that disprove your own points. Makes our life much easier. See ^
Ignoring how markets work? Indeed I was just referring to the fact that 40-70% of European wholesale finance (source: the EU) is raised in London. Odd that?
Argue away. Evidence shows that you are wrong. So it’s an empty room but enjoyable to read nonetheless. Facts are so dull and boring in contrast
if all so rosy why-
The chancellor and Brexit secretary travel to Germany on Wednesday on a charm offensive they hope will shift the EU’s implacable opposition to services being included in a final deal.
t 40-70% of European wholesale finance (source: the EU) is raised in London.
But could be raised from anywhere and will be post Brexit. Bankers will invest where's there's return, that's what they do. Rejoice, you may be offered a job in somewhere nicer than that there London town that means you sit on a miserable commuter train and are miles/kms from where you'd like to spend your time.
Another remoaner
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-analysis-david-davis-no-deal-letter/
We would prefer a deal that includeds services and allows passporting as equivalence is a poor subsititute. One reason why existing deals don’t suit our needs (or those of Europeans)
Nope Ed they can’t - even the EU admits this. But carry on....London has a unique “ecosystem” that predates the euro etc and explains why it is the dominant source of global finance. The EU admits that this cannot be replicated elsewhere for a long time
But carry on....London has a unique “ecosystem” that predates the euro etc and explains why it is the dominant source of global finance
How many other industries has that been said about?
Remember when the Japanese were a joke at manufacturing or, if you cant remember that far back, the Chinese.
My wife works in recruitment of permanent doctors and has just moved from locum doctors. In locums they are having huge problems filling vacancies, especially in less desirable areas. Partly down to the rate caps put in place by Cameron, partly down to reduced eu doctors post brexit. There are loads of shifts going unfilled due to lack of interest.
Then the Tories can privatise the NHS and staffing is the contractors problem.
I think you need to provide a link THM. Paris mobilised on the day of the referendum result as did London's other competitiors:
Paris is the new regulatory centre
If Brexit happens London is in trouble. Even if it doesn't happen London has already lost out and will be treated with caution in future.
Hammonds in Berlin tonight to [s]grovel[/s] [s]plead[/s] ask them to be nice to us or risk EU stability....
The economic partnership should cover the length and breadth of our economies including the service industries — and financial services.Because the 2008 Global Financial Crisis proved how fundamental financial services are to the real economy, and how easily contagion can spread from one economy to another without global and regional safeguards in place.
That is why the UK has worked with our partners in the EU to ensure we led the world in making the regulation and supervision of finance safer.
In particular, we’ve sought to ensure that financial authorities across the world can cooperate in rule-setting and supervising systemically important global firms, to make sure such a catastrophe doesn’t happen again.
That work shouldn’t end because the UK is leaving the EU. On the contrary, we must re-double our collective effort to ensure that we do not put that hard-earned financial stability at risk, by getting a deal that supports collaboration within the European banking sector, rather than forcing it to fragment.
This is an interesting read
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/
and chimes with conversations I have had with Brexit voters
"manageable" is of course fundamentally unfalsifiable. Which is presumably why you said it.
The NHS is going to be in better shape wirh substantially increased funding as a result of Brexit. The Tories will see to it for two reasons. Firstly it was a Referendum pledge and secondly it makes electoral sense to take away what Labour hope will be a GE “weapon”. Remember 2015 - Labour pledge 1 billion, the Tories pledge 8. End of debate.
Firstly it was a Referendum pledge
Really? I thought it was a throw away comment on the side of a bus that the leave campaign back-pedalled on afterwards.
The NHS is going to be in better shape wirh substantially increased funding as a result of Brexit.
That's some properly lazy trolling.
Remember [s]2015[/s] 2017
150?
Of course spending on the NHS will go up… huge increased funding is needed to cope with higher costs already brought about by the referendum vote (I'm not even talking about the future effects of actually Leaving).
[quote=jambalaya ]The NHS is going to be in better shape wirh substantially increased funding as a result of Brexit. The Tories will see to it for two reasons. Firstly it was a Referendum pledge and secondly it makes electoral sense to take away what Labour hope will be a GE “weapon”. Remember 2015 - Labour pledge 1 billion, the Tories pledge 8. End of debate.
Why do you care?
You'll be sunning yourself in Portugal
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France is the regulatory centre?
In the sense of being the odd man out resisting Basel 4 regs!!
Ed you are a card!!
It’s hard to know how you could position yourself further from the truth
HSBC is the only UK bank that may use Paris as its EU core hub because it already has the infrastructure there. Other banks are locating elsewhere - so the Macron invite seems to be falling in deaf ears
Still keep it coming - in my sterile, fact-based work environment the truth is so much duller and boring so you rays are most welcome
France is the regulatory centre?
Where is the EBA moving to?
To a EU capital - would be silly to stay in London if it isn’t a member of the EU wouldn’t it? Not that it makes a difference beyond the headline
The NHS is going to be in better shape wirh substantially increased funding as a result of Brexit. The Tories will see to it for two reasons.
When have the Tories ever looked after the NHS? Left us with better service? It's against their very principles isn't it?
[quote=jambalaya ]The NHS is going to be in better shape wirh substantially increased funding as a result of Brexit.
Of course it is
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France is the regulatory centre
Tho it pains me to agree with THM, this is bollox.
With a capital B - but fun nonetheless
Hammonds comments above the fragmentation is on the button. The EU know that too.
When have the Tories ever looked after the NHS?
Now? Compare labour led Welsh NHS to tory run English NHS.