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Scare mongering about Brexshit impact on NHS is OTT
What do you expect the effects of leaving the EU will be on the NHS?
Consistent track records of posting stuff that is simply untrue merely prevents/detracts from debate
Well said Sir!
For once we agree!
Where is jamba anyway?
thecaptain - MemberScare mongering about Brexshit impact on NHS is OTT
What do you expect the effects of leaving the EU will be on the NHS?
"Send them all home" and "train British people up to do the jobs", according to a colleague of mine. What could possibly go wrong?
teamhurtmore - MemberDebate is possible if people are willing to stick reality rather than fantastIc distortions of reality
Absolutely. So the reality is that impeding free-trade with the countries that are involved in ~50% of our imports/exports is lunacy.
It's like telling the shops in your local town centre that 50% of their customers will have to pay more AND 50% of their stock purchases will cost more/involve additional administration. Then tell them some of them that their EU employees with either have to "go home" or they'll have to pay for visas and additional administration for them.
As for fantastic distortions of reality...
Basically anything to do with the above problems being magically solved with trade with random countries additional thousands of miles away and magically finding trained-up British people tomorrow to do the same jobs. And still make a profit in the meantime dealing with the transition.
I'm specifically asking THM's opinion as he was complaining about others scaremongering.
@THM I posted the following a month ago in this thread and is just one real example of a brexit effect on the NHS. This is not scaremongering. There is actual planning ongoing looking at stockpiling medications as this is perceived as a real risk.
“I work in Pharmacy in the NHS and just on my way back from a meeting in London where one of the things discussed was future challenges. There is real concern about drug availability and cost post brexit. Apparently there’s suggestions from drug companies that post brexit if the UK has its own regulatory system to comply with outside of the EMA, plus the NICE process, there’s a real possibility that the UK market won’t be commercially attractive enough to bother with (we’re about 4% of the global market). It could be that access to many drugs is increasingly limited and we will rely on increasing amounts of parallel imports with a much less robust supply chain. They’re forecasting potential major supply issues.”
teamhurtmore - MemberDebate is possible if people are willing to stick reality rather than fantastIc distortions of reality
THM really posted this? - warra walt. He is the biggest purveyor of untruths on this forum. Jamba may be deluded but THM is a consistent fantasist with a long term track record of simpluy ignoring inconvenient truths..The drop[ in Nurses from the EU registering with the NMC is from the NMCs own figures and is above reproach IE its real
The reduction in applicants of 95% was one particular month. The trend is continuing and clear and a real issue for the NHS
“Earlier this year we released figures which showed the number of EU trained nurses and midwives joining our register was reducing. At the same time, figures also showed the number of EU trained nurses and midwives leaving our register was increasing.“Latest figures for April and May 2017 show that these trends have continued,
Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) -
This report presents data from the NMC register and finds that an increasing number of nurses and midwives are leaving the profession rather than joining it. It also finds that the number of nurses and midwives from Europe has decreased, with a 67 per cent rise in staff leaving and an 89 per cent drop in those requesting to join the NMC register.
http://kingsfund.blogs.com/health_management/2017/11/the-nmc-register-30-september-2017.html
Look into those figures and you see exactly what is happeing
april 2016 1154 joined the register april 2017 46 joined the register. a drop of 96% in applicants
april 2016 211 left the register, april 2017 406 left the register
He is the biggest purveyor of untruths on this forum. Jamba may be deluded but THM is a consistent fantasist with a long term track record of simpluy ignoring inconvenient truths
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Says a man caught posting wild exaggerations today yet again!!!
Mirror, mirror on the wall.
Capn. As a remainer, I am well aware of the negative consequences of giving up membership of the EU and spent many months last year quantifying these consequences and preparing for them.
One of the reasons why I am not a remoaner however - leaving aside the fact that I respect democracy - is that I am also aware that (1) these consequences while negative are manageable albeit with additional costs, uncertainty and inconvenience and (2) economies have natural balances - constrained if your are silly enough to be part of s fixed exchange rate - that offset the negatives.
As we have seen already, the UK economy has already proven to be far more resilient that many predicted, with some (limited to date) evidence of a much needed rebalancing of economic activity.
Of course none of this totally negates the folly of leaving but life is never simple. Shit happens. Character is determined by how you respond to shit happening.
Hence my respect goes to those who understand what is happening and adapt and respond while my contempt/pity is for those who merely lie and distort reality in order to further their undemocratic ends.
We all have choices regarding which camp we want to be in
THM with more fantasy bullshine and personal attacks on me? I'd bet a tenner
teamhurtmore - Memberteamhurtmore said something stupid.
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What's the point of the killfile TJ if you're trying to reply to "teamhurtmore said something stupid"? You know he loves winding you up yet you continue to bite. Time to take a step back for your own sanity.
Salad dodger ^^^ +1.
Plus, it’s tedious... either read and reply or ignore it. Take yer pick please.
And, just to clear, please do feed the troll.
I ain't biting. I don't see his posts but it amuses me that he posts so often immediately after I post and my bet is he is both saying something ridiculous and making personal attacks on me. I could be wrong of course but I ain't getting wound up - I am laughing at the ridiculous Walt. Its really funny how often others on this thread attack him for his ridiculous untruthful assertions and its laughable how often he seems to reply to me despite me not seeing his posts
Edit - sorry if it annoys you chaps. I'll lay off.
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I often post to correct obvious lies and BS. If it happens to coincide with posts from someone trying to bully others with untruths then go figure.
You're obviously an intelligent chap THM so why you insist on trying to wind people up or posting in erm, your unique style is beyond me. People would probably take you a bit more seriously (as you sometimes make valid points) if you put as much effort into trying to inform people rather than doing your best to come across as a sanctimonious ****. All imho obviously.
So back to the point. The NMC figures clearly show the massive reduction in EU nurses coming to the UK. Unarguable robust figures that show clear damage to the NHS from brexit.
You're obviously an intelligent chap THM
Not like you to spout utter rubbish on this forum, salad-dodger, but that's gross.
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Welcome back Ed
I often post to correct obvious lies and BS
You’re more than just a little selective though aren’t you - go on, be honest..
Welcome back Ed
I'm having trouble believing that too. 😉
Welcome back Ed.
I often post to correct obvious lies and BS
I had a look at a few sites for some of the positive news you're talking about THM, and found this:
You'll note it concerns Scotland rather than England.
On the contrary Ed, I “enjoy” your posts immensely
Boom and bust?economies have natural balances
**** me your reports are a little biased who i paying top dollar for this polemic ? Paul Dacre?my respect goes to those who understand what is happening and adapt and respond while my contempt/pity is for those who merely lie and distort reality in order to further their undemocratic ends.
Its not undemocratic to oppose a decision or fight for what you believe in or want its the definition of democracy. Furthermore respecting someone right to oppose is also democratic where as attacking them, a undemocratic, is undemocratic. This is basic stuff , even for an "economist"
I have no respect for someone who cannot see this simple truth and instead distorts reality
EU nurses? IN a year we have gone from a positive balance of + 800 eu nurses per month joining the UK workforce to a negative balance of - 350
That is a serious loss to the NHS, its undeniable robust figures and is one well predicted damaging consequence of brexit that was predicted and is happening.
But this is factual proof of serious damage from brexit so will be ignored by the leavers and the fantasists
TJ the NHS now requires an English certificate for nursing applicants. The drop off in numbers is almost entirely due to that. I asked my friend who works in HR for the NHS
BTW there is a really interesting chart of EU vs non-EU nationality for nurses in the NHS. Non-EU used to be much much higher before the Eastern European nations joined. It can be higher again if necessary.
Barnier doing more backtracking from his (daft) no bespoke deal / no services deal comment. Supposedly said that UK banking law/regulation may be formally recognised by the EU allowing pretty free access. Not a surprise as the EU couldn't replace UK skills / expertise and markets any time soon and not without many billions in investment in regulatory infrastructure.
Send your mate the NHS advice as what they told you was wrong
Supposedly said
have you got a link.
No problem getiing all the banking expertise needed, there'll son be a surplus in London, though I have to say that the banking experts on this forum seem to be anything but expert.
Not sure you correct on Barnier Jambas
Just some waffle about equivalence - no really! We have been at the heart of financial regulation - often when Europeans want to water it down eg France and Basle 4 - so the idea that the Uk would not be granted third country equivalence is laughable
Still he has an audience to satisfy
jambalaya - MemberTJ the NHS now requires an English certificate for nursing applicants. The drop off in numbers is almost entirely due to that. I asked my friend who works in HR for the NHS
Cite? Oh no you can't its a friend that told you
EU nurses I have met and thats plenty have no issue in meeting a minimum styandard for english. Non EU ones very much more difficulty. Nor does that explain the doubling of those leaving the register.
jambalaya - MemberBarnier doing more backtracking from his (daft) no bespoke deal / no services deal comment. Supposedly said that UK banking law/regulation may be formally recognised by the EU allowing pretty free access
Link? - i'd be interested to see that as it would be the first major change in stance from the EU and its clear they want the financial services that serve the EU based in the EU.
Interestingly a year or two ago when I wanted to tax these guys fairly you said they would all flee to Europe if the tax rate went up. Now you say they won't move to Europe to follow the work.
Perhaps if people stopped scaremongering EU citizens about life after Brexshit then the situation would not be as bad as they fear. Plus if other countries are able to hire substantial numbers of foreign health staff without FoM there is no reason why we can’t either - unless folk want to exaggerate for effect
jambalayaBarnier doing more backtracking from his (daft) no bespoke deal / no services deal comment. Supposedly said that UK banking law/regulation may be formally recognised by the EU allowing pretty free access.
[b]Not a surprise as the EU couldn't replace UK skills / expertise and markets any time soon[/b]...
Yeah, our highly skilled bankers did a great job for the UK 10 years back.
Thank Christ they weren't incompetent, greedy, gamblers eh?...
For a bit of balance though TJ, an ex colleague of mine has just left the prison service to become a nurse. (& up to now is absolutely loving it)
Out of the frying pan, etc?
Yeah, our highly [s]skilled[/s] greedy bankers did a great job for the UK 10 years back.
FTFY
Pretty similar job in many ways. On your feet all day, have to be nice to scrotes etc
so the idea that the Uk would not be granted third country equivalence is laughable
Britain had better clean up its act then because a lot of European countries are sore about the UK's role in "tax optimisation", it's dealing with tax havens, the status of British dependancies. The Spanish tax collector is losing revenue on AirB&B rentals because of a dodge involving a Gibralta based payment system which is opaque - the cheek of it.
Al this fiscal dumping and help with tax evasion is on th eagenda of countries with a veto so Britain is going to have to deal with them or fail to get a deal.
I told you I enjoyed your posts!
[url= http://www.recruiter.co.uk/news/2017/06/language-tests-hit-eu-nursing-recruitment-crisis-harder-brexit ]LANGUAGE TESTS HIT EU NURSING RECRUITMENT CRISIS HARDER THAN BREXIT[/url]
IELTS test introduced in January 2016
Its not what the NMC say nor is it credible given that there is IME no problem with EU nurses and speaking english.
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