[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Ninfan - I think you’re struggling with multinational.

Nation states are heading for the past. Unless you want to give up liberal values.

Sorry Brexy-boy

Your terrifying statistic of the day - slightly more Leave voters are in favour of the death penalty than the reintroduction of blue passports.

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Look who's just demonstrated he doesn't understand the effect of freedom of incorporation and the basics of corporate taxation

Look who's being pedantic in order to score points whilst ignoring the fundamental argument (I even removed the attribution to see how hard it is for those who missed the original to work out who might use that as their prime debating tactic...)

THM - I think I’m one of those guys, living in Yorkshire (which is a good place most of the time) and married to an English lass. You won’t get much casual racism from me.

Nor me

Excellent. Don’t be sloppy with your language then.

Nation states are heading for the past

Says a poster who advocates harming others ?!? 😯

Sticks and stones ....

If you want to see what the EU should be doing then see what is happening in Poland currently.

So swing and hit ninfan echr exactly what the brexiteers want us out of.

[quote=teamhurtmore ]Nor me

We wish - Pretty sure you have been warned for it as you stopped using some phrases you had for the scottish- I dont think you are a racist but you dont mind straying there to wind up certain posters.

Your link says clean beaches is EU law not UK just we " might " have gone for them outside EU rules .

I'm still out to the original question

I know, what kind of democracy allows thickos to have a say. Leave decisions to the elite who know so much better!!

Amazing poll Mattyfez , corporal punishment in schools ???????

it is safe to say that we can now call 42% of Leavers retarded .

No it’s not on any count

Says a poster who advocates harming others ?!?

I’ve been advocating, for example, avoiding Brexy businesses for ages. First you’ve noticed?

Who wouldn’t be happy to see Tim Martin go bust? The drinkers would find other pubs, the staff other bar to tend, but we wouldn’t have to put up with his rantings.

Nation states are heading for the past. Unless you want to give up liberal values.

Russia being an excellent example Ninfan. Thank you.

We have had only one refrendum on EU membership. The EU post Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties became everything the 1975 EEC Referendum govt material said it would not. As I have posted many times my lifelong Labour voting parents who voted Yes is 1975 voted Leave in 2016 as they felt very strongly they had been lied to aboutthe EEC.

Around 15% GDP underperformance over a 20 year period was it? Or 20% over 15%

Based upon a ridiculous scenario where we signed no free trade deals with ANYONE else. Also from memory they assumed it was WTO is EU to boot.

FTSE closed at a record high today. Good news for anyone with a defined contribution pension.

maternity / paternity leave , paid holidays, safe working hours ,
UK exceeds EU minimum in all of them doesn't it? Yes and only brought them in to comply with the EU so in the EU we have even better protection than the worst EU nations , out side the EU we have worse rights than the worst EU nations . Still waiting for you to come up with a valid example of a social ill we suffer from being in the EU ninfan.

Jamba - glad you understood it even if you disagree. Please explain it to THM.

Will the UK produce a large amount of copper and oil post Brexit jam?
"FTSE 100 and 250 hit fresh all-time records on a subdued return to trading as supply squeezes boosted copper and oil prices to multi-year highs"

[quote=jambalaya ]FTSE closed at a record high today. Good news for anyone with a defined contribution pension.

#wehaventleftyet

@igm - square these three things with me

Nation states are heading for the past. Unless you want to give up liberal values.

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Rise of Nationalist parties in Holland, France, Germany and Austria gaining Parliamentary representation

so Jambalaya , still no comment on Leave donors paying their tax bill ?

@aracer markets price in their best estimates of the future

Chris didn’t read anything about that tbh. I hear you but raise you Sir Phillip Green, he dodged £300m. I very much doubt there are more tax dodging Leavers than Remainers.

BTW you mike want to like Ride Sospel on Facebook, Ash will be sending out GPX files for trails inc those used in the Trans Provence in the hills behind Nice.

That's simply not true is it Cranky, The UK introduced legislation guaranteeing paid holidays 35 years before we joined the EEC

FTSE closed at a record high today.

It doesn't reflect the underlying health of the UK economy though.

Speaking of which, the UK economy has lost about 19.3Bn since the brexit vote, or almost 300 million a week. According to the link below, that loss will increase to about 60Bn before the UK exits the EU.

[url= http://voxeu.org/article/300-million-week-output-cost-brexit-vote ]Here we go.[/url]

I particularity liked this part:

What are the economic causes of the output decline? Two potential explanations stand out:

Increased uncertainty, which may temporarily depress investment and consumption spending

[b]Anticipated lower future living standards, as the reduction in trade with the continent would be likely to make the UK permanently poorer[/b]

The increased shrieking from the brexiters demonstrates that they are failing, they may be able to pull the UK out of the EU, but they won't be able to make that decision stick.

It doesn't reflect the underlying health of the UK economy though.

Still, it’s something though, right?
RIGHT?

Ninfan try not to get your facts from memes
https://medium.com/@seanjones11kbw/i-logged-into-twitter-and-someone-had-posted-this-image-into-my-timeline-5596de6f6311
The Holidays with Pay Act 1938 did not create a general right to paid holiday. It applied only to those workers who had their minimum wages set by a wage regulating authority (section 1(1)). Any worker whose pay was fixed under the Trade Boards Acts 1909 and 1918 or the Agricultural Wages (Regulation) Act 1924 were not to be entitled to more than a week’s paid leave in each year and the former were not to be allowed to take more than three consecutive days of leave (Section 1(2)).

The relevant part of the Act was repealed in 1975. By 1997 there was no statutory right to paid annual leave (unless you were an agricultural worker). That position changed as a result of the Working Time Regulations 1998. The Regulations were intended to implement the Working Time Directive 93/104/EC.
. Still waiting for you to come up with a valid example of a social ill we suffer from being in the EU ninfan.

That's simply not true is it Cranky, The UK introduced legislation guaranteeing paid holidays 35 years before we joined the EEC

So before the EEC even existed? Strange reasoning from you. 😆

The holiday pay act was repealed and replaced with the EU working time directive, so if you can enlighten us on what will happen after March 2019? Copying and pasting into Uk law is no protection from changes to it in the future.

so if you can enlighten us on what will happen after March 2019? Copying and pasting into Uk law is no protection from changes to it in the future.

Well, you see, we have this thing called a Parliament, and you get to vote for the person you best think would represent your interests there, and if enough people have the same outlook on issues, they get to club together to form a Government. What happens is that all these elected representatives get to propose legislation, and vote on it, and that's how laws get made and/or changed...

Still waiting for you to come up with a valid example of a social ill we suffer from being in the EU

I've given several on the previous page - you might have missed it while eating your Findus crispy horseshoes, or maybe prepping the defence case for another EU migrant sex offender who the police didn't know was here.

[quote=jambalaya ]@aracer markets price in their best estimates of the future

I guess they've noticed the ramifications of the Irish border deal.

"Well, you see, we have this thing called a Parliament, and you get to vote for the person you best think would represent your interests " so you would be in favor of an unfettered free parliamentary vote on membership of the EU or not and the terms of any Brexit or not ?

Well, you see, we have this thing called a Parliament, and you get to vote for the person you best think would represent your interests there, and if enough people have the same outlook on issues, they get to club together to form a Government. What happens is that all these elected representatives get to propose legislation, and vote on it, and that's how laws get made and/or changed...

Oh right. So what your saying is Parliament is Sovereign and gets to make these sort of decisions then?

So why don't you brexiters want Parliamentary sovereignty when it comes to brexit?

want Parliamentary sovereignty when it comes to brexit?

Parliament voted on it, remember?

My MP in a strong remain voting constituency followed the party whip and voted the legislation through.

Democracy in action......

You're asking ninfan awkward questions and expecting answers? I predict pedantry...

My MP in a strong remain voting constituency followed the party whip and voted the legislation through.

Bet you a fiver you vote for the same party next general election though

Ninfan I meant ones that stand up to scrutiny , food contamination was higher pre EU regs and the Brexit argument is to reduce standards to import from Africa and us chlorinated chicken.
Crime is better enforced with the EU with data sharing and EU arrest warrants . Statistics suggest imigrant populations commit proportionately less crime than indigenous. The last sex offender that springs to mind was an EDL member who was shaking hands with the Biffers protesting a grooming case with an Asian defendant while the jury were deciding that he was in fact guilty. Criminal behavior is driven by personality not place of birth.

The increased shrieking from the brexiters

Have any called any remainers retarded or wished their businesses fail or claim that we should get rid of them?

"Bet you a fiver you vote for the same party next general election though" which proves the last election is not a mandate for Brexit contrary to your earlier contention.

I think we should have a STW referendum on whether ninny, team self hate and jamboree should be permanently banned.

I'd be happy to review thier cases for free speech after they've had a holiday.

But of course the ban would not be legally binding, it would be for fun, like brexit is to them.

I guess they've noticed the ramifications of the Irish border deal.

🙂

There isn’t a deal. Look at the wording and notice how different it is to UK/EU citizens rights section. We’ve promised preceisely nothing. “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed” including the “Irish border solution”. Davies was bold enough to rub the EU’s noses in it as soon as he got back to the UK.