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food contamination was higher pre EU regs
The Fipronil in eggs scandal dwarves the scale of all food contamination incidents that have taken place in the UK for decades
I think we should have a STW referendum on whether ninny, team self hate and jamboree should be permanently banned.
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I'd be happy to review thier cases for free speech after they've had a holiday.
How very narrow minded of you. Remainer till you die.
Have any called any remainers retarded or wished their businesses fail or claim that we should get rid of them?
This. A list please Remainers.
Being on the losing side seems to get you a Knighthood. How very EU, defeated at home get a cushy spectacularly well paid job in Brussels
Spoken like a true remoaner matty - self pawn e2-e4
Suppress dissent. IGM won’t like your choice of nickname
Yeh, you are right, it's always useful to know what other people think about.
Even if they are bat shit crazy.
We'll not speak of regulations here, this is a local country for local people.
Retarded
Bat shit crazy
Next?
Have any called any remainers retarded or wished their businesses fail or claim that we should get rid of them?
Not called them retarted, but called them traitors and saboteurs, businesses will fail because of brexit, and as for getting rid of them...death threats on both sides, a divided country that is not going to come together through the magic of Brexit.
I think we should have a STW referendum on whether ninny, team self hate and jamboree should be permanently banned.
Don't ban them. Just continue to destroy their delusions.
@crankboy those arguments where tried from March to June 2016. We took note of them and voted accordingly.
As for “chlorinated chicken” the EU has been stalling and stalling on this issue within the EU whilst Salmonella contamination in Poland rises. The EU uses this plain and simple to suppress competion from the US. I have eaten plenty of “chlorinated chicken” and “hormone beef” in the US. Not a big deal IMO (more female hormones in an egg than 1kg beef) . I started a thread about the chicken.
I'll stand by bat shit crazy.
There's only two reasons one would be in favour of brexit.
Bat shit crazy is one.
The other is money money money!
Ninfan ,So some bad people use a banned insecticide , and a transnational body is in a position to act across national borders to stop the sale of the contaminated product , and you think that the existence of the transnational body that banned the insecticide and forced the recall of the contaminated product is a bad thing ? Even though the scandal suggests that the national government involved was slow to act of it's own accord ?
Chris. If you make a gift fo someone and it’s taxable the tax is paid by the recipient not the donor. That is my understanding. As such any tax is due from the Leave campaigns not the donors.
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The increased shrieking from the brexiters
Have any called any remainers retarded or wished their businesses fail or claim that we should get rid of them?
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The EU uses this plain and simple to suppress competion from the US. I have eaten plenty of “chlorinated chicken” and “hormone beef” in the US. Not a big deal IMO (more female hormones in an egg than 1kg beef) .
Shame on you.
Why are chickens washed with chlorine in the US?It all comes down to money and efficiency of space. The majority of farmers do care about rearing their birds, but as profit margins can be very tight, animal welfare is sidelined to keep costs down. In the EU, cost is also important, but the law means it can’t come at the expense of the birds’ basic welfare. There is a legal minimum amount of space, lighting and ventilation for EU poultry rearing houses.
Salmonella contamination in Poland rises. The EU uses this plain and simple to suppress competion from the US. I have eaten plenty of “chlorinated chicken
You have to ask, jeez the.. Why the chicken has to chemically treated in the first place.
Are you really that stupid?
Well THM, I think Ninny is a little unfair. 😉 Brexy-boy or even Google-boy fits Ninfan better.
Jamba - nation states in the past. ‘Tis an opinion of course not fact, but the rise of nationalism isn’t contrary to the fall of the nation state, it’s part of the process. As our outlook becomes ever narrower, Britain, Scotland, Catalonia even, rather than Europe so the power balance between state and multinational becomes ever more skewed. It becomes harder to get them to pay tax because they simply move to avoid taxation. Renault-Nissan will do that in about 5-8 years - question is will the EU or Britain be a better bet for them at that time, and labour force, market accessibility, supply chain, quotas, standards and taxation (including customs) regime etc will all come into it.
The more uniformity there is the weaker the multinational’s hand, because they play the differences.
And you can make a living as a tax haven, but probably not for the population of Britain.
Now multinationals are not evil - far from it they are a natural evolution. But to keep pace you will need multinational jurisdictions - ie non-nation states.
Now within those multinational jurisdictions you can have a national culture. I’m Scots. Scotland has been part of a multinational jurisdiction for over 300 years. Long before me and probably after. It can work fine. (Just don’t pretend we’re English. Or Welsh. British fine, European fine.)
If nation states don’t evolve, they will continue to lose meaning and fragment.
Or.
You can find a strongman and rule with a rod of iron. Hence the Russia comment. But don’t expect your liberal values to survive that one.
A good analysis, what iron rod does the UK have after brexit, other than the one up its arse from America or Russia?
There's a reason zebras have stripes.
I may have to steal that igm 
Back of a fan packet answer jam but you are wrong first port of call for the tax is the donor not the recipient.
Sec 199.—(1) The persons liable for the tax on the value transferred by a chargeable transfer made by a disposition (including
any omission treated as a disposition under section 3(3) above)
of the transferor are—
(a) the transferor;
(b) any person the value of whose estate is increased by
the transfer;
(c) so far as the tax is attributable to the value of any
property, any person in whom the property is vested
(whether beneficially or otherwise) at any time after
the transfer, or who at any such time is beneficially
entitled to an interest in possession in the property;
(d) where by the chargeable transfer any property becomes
comprised in a settlement, any person for whose bene-
fit any of the property or income from it is applied
or maybe prepping the defence case for another EU migrant sex offender who the police didn't know was here
Are the EU ones worse than the British ones? Are EU workers more likely to sex offend that Brits?
Nasty bit of xenophobia there surely?
Are the EU ones worse than the British ones?
Depends if the police are aware of their existing criminal record
As far as I’m concerned we shouldn’t have even let him into the country - see for example the refusal to allow Mike Tyson into the UK
In January 2015, Ms Gross’s parents asked that anti-immigration movements did not use the inquest to further their agenda:“Alice believed in the free movement of people, and so do we,” her mother said. “For her sake, we are determined to ask these questions responsibly and sensitively.”
From your link Ninfan.
How many EU nationals have saved lives in this country?
On a daily basis.
Junkyard - lazarus
teamhurtmore » Nor meWe wish - Pretty sure you have been warned for it as you stopped using some phrases you had for the scottish- I dont think you are a racist but you dont mind straying there to wind up certain posters.
NOpe - he is racist. Someone who deliberately uses racist terms even when asked to stop is a racist. THM outed himself as anti scots racist by his continual use of pejorative terms for scots and scotland
Again you shoot yourself in the foot ninfan
Do you even read your own links , you want us out of the EU because the home office and UK police didn't do ACRO and Interpol checks on the guy. Which criminals are we more likely to detect , ones from an area where we share police intelligence and information or ones from an area where we do not ?
Double post sorry
. I started a thread about the chicken.
You did. And it has been explained to you many times that you misunderstood the issue. And yet you repeat your falsehoods. #jambafact
Which criminals are we more likely to detect , ones from an area where we share police intelligence and information or ones from an area where we do not ?
So, you admit that the system current,y in place doesnt work
Perfect
Just like with the contaminated eggs - the current system didn’t work
You keep giving defences (where the [u]existing[/u] network of EU membership has failed) that the only solution possible is [b]more[/b] integration.
Thereby you prove the point, the EU as currently formulated does not work - it can only be made to work by complete harmonisation of systems, tax, money, economy, police, everything. The inevitable and irresistible direction of travel is a single European state, exactly what most of us oppose
Extrapolate much ninfan?
Your point is basically that if there is ever a problem not being in the eu will fix it which appears to be the level of planning this government has put into it
Looks like habitual presenter of untruths, internet bully and self-confessed sex pest are missing from the latest false accusations. That’s a relief. Imagine falling that far?
Meanwhile in Europe....
Your point is basically that if there is ever a problem not being in the eu will fix it
Yes but ninfan believes that will work because we can keep all those foreigners out.
Large parts of the EU work very well indeed - ok the € is a disaster - but that is different
Meanwhile can we have a solution to some of these problems now
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What can we leave to protect children?
Which utopia will protect people from those already there? Like those making death threats to MP's?
Your point is basically that
Ah, remainers telling us what they think our point was, wha5 they think we we think and why they think we voted, plus ca change
Ah, remainers telling us what they think our point was, wha5 they think we we think and why they think we voted, plus ca change
It's mostly because your not very good at explaining it without contradicting yourself of showing us stuff that proves you wrong.
Good to see The Times highlighting how negotiations actually work. Plenty of behind the scenes stuff with the grown ups. Where the real work is done.
Jezza also nice and clear. We are formally leaving the EU and there will be no second referendum. And that’s from a conviction politician. .
lol if you keep saying it I'm sure you can believe it....
Perhaps an acceptance that the guy is not up to the job and has caused a year of wasted time and effort to get to a point we could have signed up to on day 1.
I don't think anyone assumed for a moment that this was a 1 man job but his leadership of it has hurt the UK.
mikewsmith - Member
Ah, remainers telling us what they think our point was, wha5 they think we we think and why they think we voted, plus ca changeIt's mostly because your not very good at explaining it without contradicting yourself of showing us stuff that proves you wrong.
Nice one Mike. 😆
Owned Brexy-boy. 😆
Plenty of denials that there are grown ups doing the hard work behind the scenes. It’s a remoaner favourite. See above ^
(Unless of course you are claiming that people who post that kind of stuff are simply not telling the truth. You may have a point there...)
Imagine if we had wasted a year hiding behind three false preconditions before fudging then in the end. Sorry Ireland, we were not being serious. Well come back to you in due course...
Plenty of behind the scenes stuff with the grown ups
Like what?
Hmmmm.....
See your language is the problem here, continual use of grown ups is fairly condescending. The repeated term of abuse that you have chosen "remoaner" keeps it classy though.
Anyway for 2018 I'll list some criteria for Brexit being a success
A trade deal better than the one we have with the EU
Better trade deals with the rest of the world than the EU could deliver
Zero removal of rights for people, animals and the environment.
That is a start.
Hmmmm.....
Yup thought as much.
THM - he didn’t quite say there will be no second (third) referendum. He said “Our position is that we are not advocating a second referendum”
Wriggle room?
When you read what he said I’d say plenty of wriggle room.
As for conviction politician, avoiding obvious jokes about Jeffery Archer bring the only politician with true convictions (other convicts are available), I’ve never seen a front bench “conviction politician” who wasn’t a total opportunist. I doubt Corbyn is different.
THM - glad the “grown ups” are doing something because they didn’t write the sector analyses did they now.
At least I hope not. If they did we need some new “grown ups”.