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Very nice kelvin thank you. Did you?
Church service and Xmas lunch with family particular favourites. Real meaning and even shared a table with a leaver rather than wishing them harm. Les Mis last night a close second.
TJ given that you were saying that we would have a 4% recession we know how much credence your predictions hold. Ditto no progress, no behind the scenes negotiations, bankers flooding out of London etc
No really 😯
Ahem, the bogey men are already here.
Its all going pretty much as predicted. Its an economic disaster and this is only the beginning.
Money isn’t everything though, is it?
The social impacts of EU membership aren’t limited to the economy, now you can argue which of those are good and which are bad, but trying to pretend the argument for and against EU membership is a pure economic one is childish
You may wish to tell your Aunt we didn't win, we simply stopped the Soviets getting to the English Channel.
THM - so you think that missing out on say 15% of growth we might have had (not a 15% fall, just not as much rise as we would have had by staying in) is an advert for leaving?
Strange days. Or perhaps the port is strong with you tonight (I see you as a port drinker - you may not be).
And why shouldn’t one wish Brexies harm - by their actions they wished this country harm.
Didn’t know you could double post from a phone.
So go on ninfan what are the negative social impacts of EU membership?
It didn’t make sense once let alone twice.
Who’s got the port fingers ?? 😉
Wishing them harm is spiteful and undignified. It’s totally unnecessary but indicative of how away from democratic ideals remoaners have lurched.
“We lost so let’s wish harm on them and/or get rid of them”
😯 ^ !
Very sad to read the kind of stuff. Would make the EDL or the SNP blush
Funny quote from a Scandinavian on my twitter feed about brexit, patriotism and Rose tinted nostalgia today:
we got over being vikings a long time ago
So go on ninfan what are the negative social impacts of EU membership?
Mass youth unemployment and true austerity not the pretend kind (unless you were able to avoid the silly € project or didn’t live in the periphery)
THM - I’ll take the Port fingers one. Fair call 😕
The rest made sense. As for wishing them harm because we lost? Nonsense.
Read what I posted earlier this afternoon.
Yes I have come to wish them harm, but due to their actions since June 2016, not because I was on the loosing side. I’m a Scots rugby supporter for goodness sake - I may like winning but I’m pretty good at loosing and getting on with life.
THM - I’ve just seen your last post. You are way into BS territory now.
When did the EU cause “Mass youth unemployment and true austerity“ in Britain?
Arguably the reverse but definitely not that.
And we’ve done the mass youth unemployment thing to death anyway. You can’t tell because the figures aren’t consistent and the more consistent figures look a lot closer.
Don’t BS.
So your saying the UK has mass youth unemployment and real austerity because it is in the EU thn? Or are you deflecting as there are not social negatives for the people of the UK?
You will win at Boofield in the 6N most likely so you of all people should be able to look forward
In Britain??? I even made reference to the geographic region concerned and the additional reason
You do really have to stop making stuff up
(unless you were able to avoid the silly € project or didn’t live in the periphery)
No cranks we (UK) had neither indeed our fiscal policy was much more expansive than those in the € area fortunately. One reason we recovered earlier and stronger
Always ready with the anti-Scots jibe, THM - Boofield (I’m assuming you don’t mean Twickenham) this evening.
A man could start to assume you have a particular view of the world, but I’m sure I’m wrong.
Add in widespread legal tax offshoring (Apple, amazon, etc.)
Offshoring of production including subsequent weakening of standards and oversight/monitoring (horse meat scandal anyone?)
Lack of democracy (you only need to look at events over last few years in Greece, Italy, and more recently Spain/Catalonia)
Freedom of movement not matched by integration of criminal justice systems etc (multiple cases)
To name a few
Ninfan - don’t think those are really EU issues. The EU has improved things in a couple of those areas and in others is incidental to the issue.
Sorry kid.
Like other types of behaviour you should be embarrsssed by lack of respect for kickers at Boofield.
So your saying the UK has mass youth unemployment and real austerity because it is in the EU thn? Or are you deflecting as there are not social negatives for the people of the UK?
Whilst quietly ignoring decades of under investment and [s]feathering thier and thier buddies nests[/s] poor decision making which successive UK governments had complete control over.
The only slight respite was the coalition, when clegg committed career suicide to hold back some of the the more mental tory policies that are now starting to be implemented.
I'm glad he's being knighted, he deserves it.
don’t think those are really EU issues.
All are enabled by EU. You simply can’t claim that freedom to incorporate in any EU tax territory isn’t related to the problem and directly brought about be EU rules
Labour voters agaisnt Brexit ?
It’s totally unnecessary but indicative of how away from democratic ideals remoaners have lurched.
Again THM you really need to grasp the difference between the concepts of populism and democracy or at least liberal democracy as we understand it - the EU referendum was the abandonment of democracy in favour of populism.
See Marc F. Plattner as a good read on the concept in particular 'The Populist Temptation'
https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/article/populism-pluralism-and-liberal-democracy
Well I hope Labour don't lose voters. At least if we have to stomach Brexit there's a fighting chance the Tories might lose the next election.
teamhurtmore - Member
Like other types of behaviour you should be embarrsssed by lack of respect for kickers at Boofield.
Does your imaginary friend not tell you off about ignoring the log in thine own eye? Twickenham fans drowning out the haka, booing McCaw as he is subbed, and abusing Nigel Owens over his sexuality. I am sure you are equally disgusted by those actions. But hey...at least you are consistent in your dislike, and indeed low level racism, towards Scots.
Corbyn is pro brexit though, for his own dumbass reasons, he's made that abundantly clear.
It would be interesting to see him squirm if he actually did end up in power.
Shouting ideals from the sidelines is easy.
the EU referendum was the abandonment of democracy
I know, what kind of democracy allows thickos to have a say. Leave decisions to the elite who know so much better!!
The reason the media moguls and Tories are so gunho for Brexit is the anti tax avoidance regulations being proposed in the EU , the future plan trumpeted by the brexiteers for the UK economy is to become a tax haven?
We have integrated justice ie the European Arrest Warrant with national oversight 1st appearance is in bow street mags. Plus the integration of the justice system at a appeal level is the brexiteers big complaint ie the ECJ.
The European standards are stronger than elsewhere and again a major brexiteers complaint we couldn't buy cheap food from some African nations as it didn't meet European food safety standards.
I am ducks but as many have said on the rugby thread, behaviour and lack of respect at Murray field is worse than elsewhere. But feel free to use the lazy “racist” card to hide from inconvenient facts.
But labour will deliver a jobs first brexshit which is different, some might even say bespoke 😉
Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first. (Compatible?)We will prioritise jobs and living standards, build a close new relationship with the EU, protect workers’ rights and environmental standards, provide certainty to EU nationals and give a meaningful role to Parliament throughout negotiations.
What’s not to like with Jezza?
I know, what kind of democracy allows thickos to have a say.
Here we go again with the circular argument..
We've established that the leave campaign was aimed straight at the kind of people who read the sun and can't draw a distinction between :
1.*Let's* give the NHS ..
2.*We will* give the NHS..
3. Sorry guys were gonna have to privatise the NHS to pay for this mess..
It's a complex decision that should not have been put to referendum, especially in light of all the vested media manipulation.
We let the Scots have a vote and they had WoS and Scotland’s Future - why shouldn’t they have a say even if they are fed BS?
Our lot have been poor at planning but poor old Salmond didn’t even know what currency they would use. How crap was that. But if people want to swallow BS that’s their prerogative
Clean beaches , maternity / paternity leave , paid holidays, safe working hours ,
a court above the national level to protect your rights from State injustice,a right to life for UK soldiers whose widows can demand inquests , are these examples of social Ills ?
THM - you do have an unfortunate habit of coming out with comments that might be taken as somewhat anti-Scots.
From “little nippy” which I think is your name for the current Scots First Minister, to “Boofield” and plenty in between.
Now I’m no fan of Sturgeon’s politics (though I do quite like her opportunism) and as an ex-goal kicking back row forward (yes I played at a low level) I don’t condone booing (I preferred the highly accurate “Boring, boring England” if we must but even then only to friends who know my real views), but you need to stop.
I’m sure you don’t mean to be racist, so don’t make comments that can be misinterpreted. Or at least don’t make them so often.
And back on the thread...
Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first. (Compatible?)
Well exactly, brexit and putting jobs first are mutually exclusive.
Corbyn is clear he wants brexit, and so cannot put jobs first.
ninfan - Member
don’t think those are really EU issues.
All are enabled by EU. You simply can’t claim that freedom to incorporate in any EU tax territory isn’t related to the problem and directly brought about be EU rules
There were tax havens before the EU, they exist today outside the EU and the EU are one of the few bodies who appear to be doing anything about it.
So, nope, try again.
THM - you do have an unfortunate habit of coming out with comments that might be taken as somewhat anti-Scots.
Only by those who cannot handle the truth but you are correct there are a lot of those. A lot.
Next thing you know I will be wishing people harm or advocating getting rid of them. Very unfortunate habit.
“Little Nippy” THM - what’s the truth there?
I am simply returning the favour of wishing harm on those who wish it on me and mine. And have acted upon those wishes.
What harm have all those Scots you denigrate done you exactly?
Overall though, remainers have been too accepting of the Brexies and their constant enemies of the people, mutineers, crush the saboteurs nastiness for too long and it’s time people started taking the fight back to them.
“Crush the sabateours” wasn’t wishing harm on remainers with the country’s best interests at heart? Pull the other one.
Clean beaches
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35871960
maternity / paternity leave , paid holidays, safe working hours ,
UK exceeds EU minimum in all of them doesn't it?
a court above the national level to protect your rights from State injustice, a right to life for UK soldiers whose widows can demand inquests ,
Supreme Court decision wasn't it? [i]R (on the application of Smith) v Secretary of State for Defence [2010] UKSC 29...[/i] So nothing to do with European courts, and even if it were, ECHR has nothing to do with Brexit, ECJ is not the ECHR.
are these examples of social Ills ?
Examples of a swing and a miss it looks like buddy
She makes reference to where that nickname came from herself.
THM - it’s derogatory, not very perhaps but it is. Don’t use it. And don’t use it in a stream of low level irritant comments or accept that people will come to a conclusion about you.
igm - Member
There were tax havens before the EU, they exist today outside the EU and the EU are one of the few bodies who appear to be doing anything about it.
Look who's just demonstrated he doesn't understand the effect of freedom of incorporation and the basics of corporate taxation 😀
Igm; thm's attitude is a lot to do with his retirement plans and the SNP's policy on Uni fees. And a wee bit of casual racism of course.
Sounds like I’ll fit in with you guys perfectly then ducks?
IGM there is nothing unique here in using political nicknames of varying degrees of politeness on STW. Few are part of the subjects self confessed personna, unlike nippy - but again easy to (mis)play the lazy racism card.