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your views are actually pretty extreme to be hones
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No health care or ability to work, that's as difficult as it's possble to make it whilst still letting people walk through the boder (after rigorous checks).
.ninfan - MemberBlair led us into the EU. Handed back a third of the rebate, refused to set safeguards in place on immigration, because they wanted to Rub our noses in multiculturalism
Not a racist at all. You do realise a spectrum means a range between two points and doesn't just refer to disability, people use words with several meanings in the grown ups world or are you doing just your usual trolling?
its not hard to pinpoint the time when the EU positioned softened. It could have been a coincidence as they might simply have realised that it was time to stop playing silly buggers after all.
Oh I thought it was the UK position that had softened.
ninfan - Member
your views are actually pretty extreme to be hones
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Your kidding right?
Ninfan - no disability jokes from me. There is a spectrum of behaviour as outlined (no other spectrums referred or implied) - you’re on it.
Edukator… a Brexit that enables free movement of workers to continue just isn't going to happen… and is the biggest loss for us all… trade deal or otherwise… unless Labour change their mind on this, win over a bigger share of the public on this issue, and the current government falls… a lot to ask, unfortunately,
never mind the disability spectrum or racism spectrum, there's also a nobhead <--> not-nobhead spectrum and I've got a fair idea where a few on here sit on it.
Eeermm - not according to the law. Its race, religion or ethnic group
[Pendant]Nationalities are none of the above.[/Pedant]
Sobriety - as I recall it’s been tested in court. The judge agreed with you.
He may or may not have been correct of course.
Blair led us into the EU. Handed back a third of the rebate, refused to set safeguards in place on immigration, because they wanted to Rub our noses in multiculturalism
Which of those do you wish to take issue with?
The allegation that Labour wanted to rub peoples noses in diversity isn’t mine, and was linked to in the original post.
Its race, religion or ethnic group
Not nationality then?
sobriety - scots count as an ethnic group - but nationality should be in the list as well - my bad
Edukator - that means no healthcare rights for all those brit pensioners in spain the doesn't it? reciprocal agreements and so on.
It's not difficult, get a grown up to explain it to you, off you go now.
Nationalities are none of the above
Is Scottish a nationality?
It’s not even a proper country, more of a region really, like Cornish or Scouser
We're Brits living in Spain and we're not "entitled" to anything just for being here. We have to have private health care and we don't have access to any welfare.
So are they not just leveling the playing field?
scots count as an ethnic group
I always thought the wife was part yeti. I'll tell her it's normal after all.
You had free health care via your EU health card for three months minimum, Spekkie. And as soon as you get a job you get health cover but you've decided not to get a job so you've overstayed your automatic rights and need to pay for your own health cover. The EU rules are the same all over the EU at present, it's just that the UK doesn't like the current rules so wants out.
the 1965 Race Relations Act, which refers to less favourable treatment on grounds of colour, race, or ethnic or national origins
A racial group means a group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origin
I suppose I'm going to have whistle for my answer about what the Brexies on here want to be freed [b]from[/b] in terms of EU legislation etc and what they want to do with this new found 'freedom'.
So, I'm going to fill in the blanks.
A lot of Brexies don't know what they want to do with their 'freedom', but they know they hate the EU (but are afraid to admit why).
As for the likes of Jamby and THM, I suppose it is so they and their industries/companies are free from regulation so they can rinse the rest of us with more impunity. That is rinse us as consumers and also employees. Oh and in the race to the bottom, they will be able to offshore more of their cash to avoid like the plague paying anything back into the system to benefit the unworthy.
Saying this out loud, of course, is embarrassing. So the preference is to go down the playground route.
I am being deliberately provocative as that seems to now be the way to get noticed on here.
Is anyone from the pro-leaving the EU side going to answer this ****ing question?
Do EU members living in the UK but not working get access to the NHS?
EU citizens in the UK will have equal access to social security, health care, education and employment.
Was confirmed this week. Alternatively you can believe the untrue alternative. The choice is yours. Precedent helps if you are unsure and the full report came out this week, not in March 2017
note sure why you are asking me Danny. I am democratic remainer not a leaver.
spekkie - Non nationals in another country must not be treated less favourably than nationals under EU law. As spanish pensioners in spain get free healthcare the UK pensioners in spain must as well.
However this will be changing now. Those UK pensioners now will get the same rights to healthcare as spanish nationals in the UK ie none.
Its a huge issue for the half million UK pensioners in spain as many of them rely on the free healthcare and simply will not be able to pay for insurance as they will be considered high risk and / or have preexisting conditions.
This may have been fudged but I don't think so
spekkie - MemberDo EU members living in the UK but not working get access to the NHS?
yes at the moment under reciprocal rights
Private health insurance isn't cheap but we had it in SA so having it here wasn't a big deal. We'd keep it going even if we were working I expect.
I can see how the pensioners might be in trouble though.
Edited because my IPad hates me.
dannyh - MemberIs anyone from the pro-leaving the EU side going to answer this **** question?
I doubt it. Hard questions are ignored.
IMO there are some who want a deregulated state as you say. Others just hate furriners and don't care about the consequences
Don't forget spekkie that many werehappy for the UK government to ignore your predicament. Your protection as relatively unimportant. Read back and you will see who they are.
Emergency treatment in a hospital yes, otherwise, no. As a French citizen I can use my EU card if just on holiday in the UK. In fact they can be (but are not always) a right royal pain in the arse so I just pay and ask for a bill and then claim back from the French SECU. I have a UK national insurance number which failed completely the last time I tried to use it.
You can walk or get transported inot a hospital anywhere in Europe and they'll give you emergency treatment (Spain included) it's then up to you to sort out payment and reclaiming from your own national health service if the EU card isn't accepted.
So did anyone explain to me why they thought that cartoon racist? Or was THM just trying to divert attention along with denying his own banning for racist posts?
Not quite right Edukator. Emergency treatment is always free in the NHS for anyone. EU nationals get free healthcare if living here
Cheers Edukator.
Who will not be charged for accessing the NHS?You will not be charged for any NHS treatment if you are ‘ordinarily resident’ in the UK, or if an exemption to charging applies.
‘Ordinarily Resident’The full definition of ordinarily resident for the purposes of accessing NHS services can be found here and is summarized as follows:
“A person will be “ordinarily resident…” in the UK when that residence [b]is lawful, adopted, voluntary, and for settled purposes as part of the regular order of their life for the time being, whether of short or long duration.”[/b]
In practice, you are normally ‘ordinarily resident’ in the UK if you are living and working in the UK and are:
A British citizen
Naturalised within the UK
Settled within the UK (commonly referred to as holding Indefinite Leave to Remain)
British citizens/EEA/Swiss nationals who are visiting the UK may be charged for NHS services they receive at the point of accessing care. The final decision to charge will rest with the healthcare provider.
EU nationalsA valid European Health Insurance Card gives EEA nationals the right to access state-provided healthcare during a temporary stay in another European Economic Area (EEA) country or Switzerland:
Anyone insured for healthcare in another EEA member state or Switzerland and who, for medically necessary treatment, presents either a European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) from that member state or a Provisional Replacement Certificate (PRC) for that card, or, for elective treatment, presents an S2 document for that treatment.
The spouse/civil partner and children under 18 of the above are also exempt when lawfully visiting the UK with them.
Its the bit in bold that gives EU nationals living in the UK the right to NHS free. Edukator fell foul because he was not resident and confused them. should have been free
Is Scottish a nationality?It’s not even a proper country, more of a region really, like Cornish or Scouser
Scotland is a country not a region. It is nothing like Cornwall or Liverpool and comments such as yours go a long way to show your ignorance.
teamhurtmore - Member
Don't forget spekkie that many werehappy for the UK government to ignore your predicament. Your protection as relatively unimportant.
Jamby and any other brexiteers? 😉
Gav - he knows that- just a practising contrarian
Emergency treatment is always free in the NHS for anyone.
Which is more than the EU requirement which is good.
Beyond three months you need to get a UK national insurance number to benefit from free healthcare in the UK, that means registering at the Job centre and making yourslef available for work. Same for France and Spain (I've worked in Spain and been through all the formalities).
Edit: I've now seen yur post of the previous page, TJ. In practice to get the status that gives you free healthcare you have to go via the Job Centre to get the NI number and provide a pile of paperwork to justify your situation.
That post from THM is more utter bolloxs. Its may and co who are putting EU nationals at risk of losing their healthcare. The EU initially offered full reciprocal rights but May and co refused making them into pawns in the political game and all the remainers I have seen commenting on this were disgusted by her stance.
Cite a post THM - put up or shut up
I bet its shut up as he has done on his baseless accusations of racism and as he has over his own banning for racist postings
the 1965 Race Relations Act, which refers to less favourable treatment on grounds of colour, race, or ethnic or national origins
Thanks TJ, if that act hasn't been superseeded I shall have to point it out to my bosses wife next time I see her, as she's Scottish, and hates the English with a passion. 😈
I got a pass as I'm not totally English...
It has been superseded but thats the definition used IIRC - now widened to include religion and disabilities as well
Anti English racism does exist up here but IME of living here for the last 25 years its very rare
Don't forget spekkie that many werehappy for the UK government to ignore your predicament. Your protection as relatively unimportant. Read back and you will see who they are.
Name them. No one has any idea who you are on about.
You go away for a few days and he slips even further down the rabbit hole
Anti English racism does exist but apparently does not need to be condemned. See above ^. Ditto racism.
Many chose to argue that the UK should grant rights to EU citizens despite not having the same rights guaranteed by the EU. This was repeated extensively under the guise of "moral high ground" and the faux argument about "bargaining chips." What it actually meant that they were happy for the UK government not to prioritise respecting your rights. You were less important.
This week, despite the untruths posted above, you saw the joint commitment declared. The gov took their responsibility more seriously that those for whom you were not important. A relief I'm sure.
Anti English racism does exist but apparently doesn not need to be condemned. See above ^. Ditto racism.
Who said that?
Many chose to argue that the UK should grant rights to EU citizens despite no having the same rights guaranteed by the EU
Yep, we should have granted full rights to citizens here. The EU would have then done the same. I have no idea why you claim they would not have.
The UK was the country throwing lives of "citizens of nowhere" into chaos, and we had the power to solve that at the same time as triggering A50. The onus was very much on us. We were triggering A50, we weren't being thrown out.