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£5 on Theresa May I think.
So now you'll have a more right wing Conservative government, and the prospect of perma-tory once Scotland does what it needs to do. Reap what you sow.
The result is not what I wanted (or voted for) but I am not surprised.I was undecided how to vote and found the Remain campaign very poor and something instinctive within me was very tempted to vote Leave. The fact that many on here and in wider society were labelling me a racist xenophobe for daring to consider this also pushed me towards leave.
I fought through this, sought out sensible views and articles (the one posted on here by the professor from Liverpool university was very influential) and made a balanced decision to vote Remain.
I guess many people did not bother to do this and went with their gut feeling. The spirit of Agincourt, Trafalgar, Battle of Britain and Orwell are still deeply embedded in the English psyche and the unelected EU officials anti-democratic are anathema to many voters.
Disappointed at the result and think things would have gone differently in the Remain campaign had conducted a more positive campaign (and pro-Remainers wound their necks in, stopped throwing around abusive terms and respected democracy)
pretty much sums up my position, reluctant remainer, almost went to leave after Junckers "no more reform".
what should have worried the remain campaign is that people like me were wobbling
Cameron going is going to create further uncertainty and chaos
Agent Corbyn succeeded in his mission
Excellent speech from Cameron.
Well done Britain. No, I really mean it guys. Well done you.
I suppose it would be undemocratic to deny anyone their right to walk blindfold off a cliff on the say so of some manipulators who stand to gain from it.
I've always said that we should consider having some kind of IQ test before granting the right to vote to anyone. This seems proof.
Oh, and this is another good reason why we should NEVER have proportional representation in this country. The electorate as a whole cannot be trusted not to give in to their baser motives.
That was a shock, I expected resignation with immediate effect. But it's as good as.
Cue about a million threads screaming the PM is stepping down.
THe people have spoken the Bastards
I am going to hope that it was massive wave of ernies that won it rather than dog whistle racism
Today is not the time to feel sad nor for leave to feel smug [ though you are entitles to] today is a day to work out how we can make this kingdom which is now independent be a United Kingdom once more
I dont think STW is a place to make that start and I will do my bit by simply accepting the will of the people and moving forward.
I think the big issues is that, given everywhere in scotland voted leave that we just left two unions
SO whether we like it or not
"may we all live in interesting times [ true meaning]"
Best of luck to us all so lets try and find a direction and all pull together.
Anyone else feel like they've just woken up Idiocracy.
However, the country (very tempted to leave the o out) has spoken, my hope is that the EU now craps itself and our negotiations to leave actually lead to membership/association of/with a different type of European institution, which will be in our better interest.
hear, hear Core.
Maybe the right leader can go back to Europe, and negotiate a "light" exit deal. Unfortunately with Cameron gone, we've probably lost the only Tory leader that could "afford" to defer Article 50 for a long time and defy the people.
If I was a tory or Leaver i'd want Cameron to stay.
If it goes biblically t*tsup - Scotland leaves - Northern Island returns to almost all out civil war, economy tanks, etc - then he can "take" the blame.
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Congratulations everyone
Please not Boris.
Maybe the right leader can go back to Europe
You've got your finger on the conservative pulse, Stoner. Who is the best candidate?
Please don't say Gove, Johnson, May, Jamba, IDS.
150,000 Conservative party members get to choose the next PM, I'm glad we've gotten away from that undemocratic EU. FFS
Did you really think the majority of people in UK are happy with the current status of our society and political leadership?
Our political class lacks vision and integrity as well as any real leadership qualities. Big business and the banks proved their self-serving greed in the last financial downturn. Add to that a real sense of North/South divide in some areas - Something had to change.
Perhaps this referendum wasn't the right way of indicating and driving that change, but it appears now that is what it has become.
Our challenge now is to pull together, unite, get some fresh real leadership in this country and make some real positive changes. The short term will be a rocky ride, but I'm optimistic we will get there.
Rather than bitching about what's happened, perhaps it'd be better to look for the win out of this?
I agree the system needs looking at, but i can't see the way it has come about a being anywhere near a win
My woodpiles might have been big enough for a Zombie Apocalypse, I hadn't planned on a Farage apocalypse. Best fire up the saw while I can still afford the fuel in the tank.
The Maserati pop up has vanished though 😀
Skydragon for PM
#anyonebutBoris
#anyonebutBoris
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Skydragon for PM
Thanks for your vote of confidence, but I'm not trustworthy enough to fill the boots of what's needed. I'd be off fiddling my expenses, getting back-handers from the bankers and blowing it all on coke and hookers.
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Well, the reality of an incoming election is hitting home then.
What's the thoughts on Scotland staying in the EU and also staying in the UK, possible? Interesting thought..
Blimey, the Prince of Darkness did not pull his punches re Jezza!
At least Carney is talking sensibly now...
I just love the obvious Remain supporters judging the UK as being small-mnded and racist as a result of this vote but I didn't see them tarring Norway, Switzerland etc, etc with the same brush.
I'll encourage you to look at Switzerland's attitude to migrants (particularly Syrian refugees) and let you make your own decision on whether they're racist or not.
At least Carney is talking sensibly now.
He's saying one thing, I'm not buying his calmness though. Sounds like the kind of public message they put out just before the bombs start falling.
This is a proper balls-up. Driven by simplistic motives, lack of deep analysis, poor decision-making, biased press and xenophobia. This we have learned.
Well done leavers.
But the mess has just started! This will get a lot worse.
speaking to masses of reporters outside Downing Street, the PM said a new leader would be in place by the Tory party conference in October.
Already arranged then. *Waves at Boris*.
So how long till Gideon jumps?
let's face it, this is a proper balls-up. Driven by simplistic motives, lack of analysis, poor decision-making and xenophobia.
And apparantly the old, and middle class uneducated northerners. Damn you, now all of us in the South East have to suffer because of your jealousy...
wink wink etc
It is a xenophobic vote - if you voted out and don't believe the vote is xenophobic you need to do a bit of critical thinking and stop being naïve. Sorry for being so blunt. All the people I know who voted out had issue with Muslims, terrorists etc and we're clearly being racist.
Skydraggon +1 oh apart for the fact that the leavers sided with bojo farage & gove who are far worse than the political elite we already have in charge
So how long till Gideon jumps?
Well he did promise us an emergency budget with additional cuts in public spending, so let's have that first.
Well, the reality of an incoming election is hitting home then.
Labour will need to find someone actually convincing, in fairly short order.
As for the Lib Dems, they appear to have given up and gone home to take up knitting.
It seems weird that both us and the yanks seem to have somehow made life changing decisions WRT to politics whilst only having a small percentage of what the facts were/are ????? Especially of having no solid plan on what we are going to do now.
I thought society was moving forward, now I'm not sure what the hell is happening.
What I do know Is with Boris or Gove over here, and Trump or Clinton over there, the Ruskies, Chinese and North Koreans must be looking at us in disbelief, 'no need to increase spending on defence, the bloody idiots have buggered themselves up.' 🙄
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
What upsets me more than anything is that almost everyone who knows anything about economics said we need to stay for the sake of our economy; and yet we got voted out by people who know crap all about economics.
How can that be the right way round?
and we're clearly being racist
Shurely you mean "disillusioned with mainstream politics"?....
I'm just hoping that Trump is actually the old Biff from back to the future, and this is only the alternate 2016
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Should never have let the plebs have a vote.
Economics clearly isn't everything to everyone.
All the people I know who voted out had issue with Muslims, terrorists etc and we're clearly being racist.
Muslim is a religion, not a race and Terrosits are nothing but murderers.
stop mixing religion with race, they are [b]VERY[/b] different.
Just trying to get some business before the pound goes completely down the shitter.Friendly offer or cashing in this morning
Lunatics...Asylum. Join the dots.
Careful what you wish for and all that.
Worst political outcome of my lifetime by some considerable distance.
And I've seen half a dozen Tory election victories.
Entire country, its stability and economic well-being comprehensively bum-raped by swivel-eyed, bone-headed, mouth-breathing xenophobes and the plucky band of demagogues who stand to profit personally from the situation. Stupidity must be contagious.
Molgrips, it was ever thus. Nothing different this time. That's life and that's democracy. Can't complain just because it's not the result we wanted.
Barc and RBS down > 30%
Looking for positives? Doesnt Dimbleby do a good job for a man of his age. He must be knackered. Bravo David (no not that one!)
Even though you are leaving the European Union, you will still benefit from our all-round carefree service.
Except sadly not their low prices as we will have to pay duty on their stuff...?
Molgrips, it was ever thus. Nothing different this time. That's life and that's democracy. Can't complain just because it's not the result we wanted.
Yes but normally they keep the big decisions away from the ignorant public. This is on Dave's shoulders.
We will now deserve what we get. Just the excuse I need to move to Scotland while they'll still let me in.
I guess we could hope that other countries now vote to leave the EU.
"Whether you're outside the tent pissing in, or inside pissing out - just make sure you're in the majority, or you'll drown."
That's my own quote - you can feel free to use it if you like.
What upsets me more than anything is that almost everyone who knows anything about economics said we need to stay for the sake of our economy; and yet we got voted out by people who know crap all about economics.How can that be the right way round?
It's the same with global warming debate it doesn't actually matter how much of a consensus there is on any subject, it will be presented as a 50::50 issue, 1 for vs 1 against.
I guess we could hope that other countries now vote to leave the EU.
Yes. Only hope the whole thing collapses to be replaced by something we can then join.
Would cause an even bigger recession though.
Did you really think the majority of people in UK are happy with the current status of our society and political leadership?
Our political class lacks vision and integrity as well as any real leadership qualities. Big business and the banks proved their self-serving greed in the last financial downturn. Add to that a real sense of North/South divide in some areas - Something had to change.
Perhaps this referendum wasn't the right way of indicating and driving that change, but it appears now that is what it has become.
Our challenge now is to pull together, unite, get some fresh real leadership in this country and make some real positive changes. The short term will be a rocky ride, but I'm optimistic we will get there.
Rather than bitching about what's happened, perhaps it'd be better to look for the win out of this?
Idealistic nonsense
Where are these magical politicians that aren't swayed by big business. How does not being in the EU help this?
The real leadership we now face is BoJo and Farage.
Well done.
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This is a proper balls-up. Driven by simplistic motives, lack of deep analysis, poor decision-making, biased press and xenophobia. This we have learned.
I'm still struggling with the breathtaking incompetence and arrogance of even calling a referendum in the first place. A cynical power ploy by Call-Me-Dave to appeal to the right wing Tory camp ends up backfiring catastrophically with irreversible consequences to the UK and Europe.
It's showcased far and away the worst aspects of British society, the whole thing has been run on a simplistic appeal to fears and prejudice based on a catalogue of lies, deception and spin.
Even Boris has now urged the PM not to rush into invoking Article 50 but rather to negotiate a revised set of terms which sort of implies to me that he didn't ever want to actually leave, he wanted to become PM and this was simply his way of forcing Cameron to resign.
Playing short term politics with 40 years of history.
The Electorate has spoken or the Illiterate have grunted according to many on here.
The whole country needs to start the process of negotiation and move forward. The process will take years to conclude and don't be surprised if we end up with another vote in a few years time as the the terms of membership have changed markedly due to several other EU big hitters voting out.
What upsets me more than anything is that almost everyone who knows anything about economics said we need to stay for the sake of our economy; and yet we got voted out by people who know crap all about economics.How can that be the right way round?
Democracy in action 🙂
Congratulations everyone - we've just become the worlds 6th largest ecomony! (We were 5th yesterday),
I'm ****ing glad it's all just fear mongering doom and gloom because otherwise we'd be just ****ed.
At least our Northern friends will have to stop London-bashing for a while 😉
skydragon - Member
Big business and the banks proved their self-serving greed in the last financial downturn. Add to that a real sense of North/South divide in some areas - Something had to change.
Two [b]small[/b] issues with that^
1) Big banks and industry can afford to just pull out of the UK, and move its business elsewhere. This is because for a large multinational, the cost of moving its operations is small compared to the savings. For small business that is not the case. RESULT: Rich get richer, Poor get Poorer
2) The North South divide is broadly an economic divide, with the rich south and poor north. Companies like Nissan (for example) were HELPING to reduce that divide by pumping money into the northern economy. And again, the rich are rich, they own there own house, and probably have millions stuffed away safely in an nice fat off shore account, the poor don't. RESULT: The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
There is no situation i can see where the poor are "better off" due to leaving the EU?
The problem with British 'Democracy' is that it can be bought and sold by our far from benevolent media oligarch.
I guess we could hope that other countries now vote to leave the EU.
Again. Spoken or unspoken, the main driver of the EU project was to prevent (western) European "superpower" wars. Specifically binding France and Germany.
Today is not tomorrow. Have a look how the borders of the western EU countries have been (arbitrarily) changed, post conflict. This is a tinderbox, albeit, at the moment, a small one but following last nights debacle, one which has got a lot bigger.
bol - MemberWe will now deserve what we get. Just the excuse I need to move to Scotland while they'll still let me in.
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Because we are less screwed?
Looking for positives? Doesnt Dimbleby do a good job for a man of his age. He must be knackered. Bravo David (no not that one!)
A friend who was a young producer at the BBC had a dinner meeting with him at a big meeja conference, (this was 15 years ago) dimbles ordered copious amounts if the finest wines and drank my mate into oblivion, he got a mention in the guardian as he was locked out his room naked, Dimbleby was apparently fresh as a daisy the next day
Because we are less screwed?
No. But if brains were dynamite, you lot would have more than enough to blow your hat off, which, clearly, "us lot" haven't.
Should have bought my euros yesterday. What a fu&£er...
I think it would have been helpful to have had a qualifier before you could vote, bit like having to be the winning team on countdown before you can play the conundrum. We should have had to spell "European Union referendum"
and your vote only counted if spelled correctly.....
We are reminded yet again calling people with grievances - bigots, xenophobes and racists - does nothing to persuade them of your case. We are reminded yet again that just because experts say its right, if you have been left behind before, that isn't a persuasive case. We are reminded yet again that in a democracy, the ultimate power always lies with the people.
Bosh - Mark Carney on the ball today, came out fighting with a £250bn bail out for the banks, I'm sure our EU payments will make a dent in that or not a ****ing mark of it because you can't bank lies.
The Electorate has spoken or the Illiterate have grunted according to many on here.
I know many intelligent people who voted out. It goes to show how out of touch some people are with people who had enough. Just because we were leading a good life does not mean others are too. Some really struggled and then blamed immigration. Some were just fed up with the amount of change in such a short time.
This was an immigration vote, not a sensible economical vote.
We are reminded yet again calling people with grievances - bigots, xenophobes and racists - does nothing to persuade them of your case.
When their grievance is "we don't like them foreigners around here" then it's entirely justified.
The leave campaign deliberately whipped up xenophobic sentiment to further their political aims. So why did this work? It chimed with so many leavers because they seem to be fundamentally xenophobic. It's a difficult conclusion to avoid when all you hear is waffle about 'taking control' and 'sovereignty'.
Money is sovereign, has been all along - that's not going to change. But now we will have less.
]. We are reminded yet again that just because experts say its right, if you have been left behind before, that isn't a persuasive case. We are reminded yet again that in a democracy, the ultimate power always lies with the people and yet again we are reminded how the right wing and their media friends can persuade them to vote for self harm 😉
There is truth in both our views
Nothing that will happen now will help the poor and the needy in our society get a better deal Nothing, it never was going to and it was never about them, they bought some snake oil from the slipperiest of salespeople who are the very establishment they just voted against.
We are reminded yet again that in a democracy, the ultimate power always lies with the people.
Maybe, possibly, probably but it also reminds us successful organisations and groups delegate decision making.
I.e there isn't a long list of sporting clubs, businesses, military successes where every daft f__ker got to have an explicit say on every option, particularly if the common bleat is "i don't know enough"...
I like democracy - voting for the winner or looser. I expect the winner to be a better decision maker than me, despite what the army of sole trader/one man banders think (why is it you're a s__t painter & decorator but such a brilliance on global politics, eh?)
I know many intelligent people who voted out
Obviously true However there was a clear skewing where by the lower your qualification the ore likely you were to vote leave and the better educated you were the more likely you were to vote remain
Name calling here wont help but neither will denying the facts
Its in pictures so the stupid can tell 😉
OK i am not helping here so please dont take the piss take the wrong way
The Tories whipped up xenophobic feelings in the last G.E it has bitten Cameron on the bum.
*smashes glass*
Bosh - Mark Carney on the ball today, came out fighting with a £250bn bail out for the banks, I'm sure our EU payments will make a dent in that or not a **** mark of it because you can't bank lies.
Isn't that just a red rag to the bulls (or is bears I can never remember) 😉
Bloke on bbc 1 interviewed - "you voted to leave, what are you thinking now?"
" I'm a bit shocked actually, I didn't think it would happen, I don't really know what to say. I'm shocked that David Cameron has resigned, I think we needed him to keep things stable if we left..."
What the fu£k do people have in their heads instead of brains? I seriously don't think most people really thought this through...
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I seriously don't think most people really thought this through...
I think that is becoming more obvious by the minute unfortunately 🙄
Looks like Boris is going to get a warm reception outside his house.
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This isn't scaremongering. This is happening right now.
Any Leave voters care to hit me up with some positives?