[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

In Italy this morning. Have overwhelming urge to keep apologising to people for the small-mindedness of the UK. Now off to empty the local ATM of Euros.

To the guy that's about to make someone redundant - to do so solely on the grounds of a dodgy referendum is not a sensible move and if you did it to me I'd drag you to an employment tribunal, and win. Assuming the relevant laws haven't been ditched by then in favour of electric shock collars and workhouses.

At least things are interesting now and have been shaken up. Even if it's not the result we wanted we have chance to say we told you so.

No description of anything good started with the word interesting. I told you so is great, I think we all told you the currency would tank (oh it is 7.5% drop overnight before the market has opened) so tomorrow things start going up, so the cost of living rises. Well done.

molgrips - you are thinking just the way the Politicians are, they think they know better, and the uneducated mass should be told how to vote.

This vote, and the last election with the ousting of Labour in many places, show that the 'great unwashed' are sick of the promises/lies/thoughts/ideas of the cureent crop of Politicians.
They have no idea how people feel about the vast majority of their policies, and they still think they know right, just like many on these EU threads, who pretty much dismiss anyone who wants to leave.

Well played, Corbyn.

How long before leave voters realise that half the promised independent utopia is not down to EU, but down to our policies and decisions of the last 30 years?
How long before EU itself starts to unravel....

From the coal face.

This is more volatile than Lehmans.

S&P futures have already been limit down (although they have come out of that now).... when that happens there is NO hedge and ANYthing with ANY liquidity will get hit.

The stock market may well close... I blooming hope not... Ive been here for an hour already

Lets make good of a bad situation and make a few quid.

Could be a dream scenario for my desk... I trade US equities .... Uk buyers of over seas stocks in a falling market.... just a long time to wait until this afternoon when we can get stuck in ... will be helping the ETf boys until then

On a purely selfish note, I just bought a house. Britain you absolute bastard

I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling like this right now

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molgrips - you are thinking just the way the Politicians are, they think they know better, and the uneducated mass should be told how to vote.

Sorry. A lot of people are stupid; don't bother to find out anything about politics; only read biased news sources; or just don't think about it.

You cannot convince me that their viewpoint should be the basis of competent government. Crisps for breakfast.

No description of anything good started with the word interesting

We wouldn't have a community on here if it wasn't for disagreement.

Labour in many places, show that the 'great unwashed' are sick of the promises/lies/thoughts/ideas of the current crop of Politicians

Very true and the political classes don't know how to react hence the rise of Trump etc.

The unknown is what will emerge from this vacuum?

Ro5ey - long Trump votes??? This is all part of a wider trend. Position yourself correctly!!

The EU will start to unravel, and, hopefully revert back to its original intention, a co-operative free trade area.

Germany, Austria,France and Netherlands will be fretting today, as they will be the ones who will have to paythe majority of the debts when one of the basket case economies fail again.

Your life isn't hard. It may be relatively harder in the future than is was in the past, but it's not a hard life you live. Dry your ****ing eyes. Adapt and overcome my limp wristed biker e-friends.

On a purely selfish note, I just bought a house. Britain you absolute bastard

Assuming you bought a house because you loved it and you can afford it - why should that change?

Alanl - i now think that is the best option that could happen considering this outcome.

Can't see it though too many groups will try to keep it together no matter what

Well... the idiots have won. Hurray for xenophobia. I fear for the direction this now drags our political discourse in. Its on a rightward trajectory with some thoroughly nasty individuals at the helm

I am utterly ashamed of of my country this morning. As well as being despondent for my childrens future.

The older baby boomer generation, in a typically selfish act, as they have done so many tines before, have deprived the youth of another one of the benefits that they themselves enjoyed.

The EU will start to unravel, and, hopefully revert back to its original intention, a co-operative free trade area.

It was to bind France & Germany ( and other belligerents wannbes) together to prevent another European war.

The EU will start to unravel, and, hopefully revert back to its original intention, a co-operative free trade area.

In an orderly or disorderly fashion?

London to be a special economic area like Hong Kong?

Well... the idiots have won

its that kind of sentiment - dismissing people with a different view to yours as idiots that have got us to this point.

...And thanks Corbyn. Still sat in the 6th form common room, staring dreamily at pictures of Stalin & Fidel?

I wish I'd bought that bit from Bike24 last night it's gone up by £20 this morning and my forks will have gone up by even more.
£50+ poorer already
****ing thanks #Brexix

its that kind of sentiment - dismissing people with a different view to yours as idiots that have got us to this point.

I agree. Idiots don't like being called idiots. Perhaps we should have called them morons instead. Either is demonstrably true.

Assuming you bought a house because you loved it and you can afford it - why should that change?

My main regret is not taking a longer fixed term

dismissing people with a different view to yours as idiots that have got us to this point.

So anyone with a different point of view is automatically valid? Every point of view is equally worthwhile?

Give me a break.

I'm assuming the STW demographic is from the South East and Scotland!?

When you see Farage doing a victory speech on the news, you know something is wrong.

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html ]I'm sure it'll be fine[/url]

Every point of view is equally worthwhile?

Yes, that is how it works. Can't complain now.

In all seriousness, if people believe that we're stretched to the limit via immigration and have voted for exit, the only rational thing to do to solve this now is: deportations.

Am I right? I can't think of any other measure that would achieve this end.

I didn't want the 'out' vote to bother me but then I hear that both the French and Belgium far right parties wanting a referendum too (spurred on by our result) and I hear Farage all gleeful on R4. How can I not not be saddened by all the xenophobic bigots being happy for an 'out' vote. Sad day.

bigrich - Member 
I'm sure it'll be fine

That story shows how bloody stupid people are.

"Phased repatriations" already mentioned by a UKIP MEP, and this is how it starts, with "phased repatriations" aka "send 'em back".

Glad that's over and as stated earlier I'm looking forward to no discernable changes. As you were people.

dismissing people with a different view to yours as idiots that have got us to this point.

I do apoligise. They're not all idiots. Theres a good smattering of old fashioned racists and bigots in there too.

I don't know what the Outers expect to happen now, but I suspect they're going to be very very disappointed. Boris and co are about to set about reshaping things in their own interests. Those voting to give 'The Establishment' a kicking aren't going to like the New Establishment one little bit, when the reality of it takes shape. Saying 'We told you so' is going to be a pretty dispiriting experience for the next few years

Finally I can buy ab odd shaped banana!!!

Well, that was a early morning shock! Peed off I didn't buy my dollars yesterday, but hey I'm sure it will all bounce back as the dust settles! ( crosses fingers)

Certainly interesting times ahead! 😕

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as the human rights charter is now under repeal, I can, without fear of reprisal, because we have our country back etc, say:

"if you voted leave, then you are a stupid ****".

P-jay
Either you misheard Dan Hannan say phased repatriation...of powers or you have got caught up in a twitter shit stir from someone who wants you to think he meant people. Which Dan Hannan would never say, and you insult him if you think he would.

"Glad that's over and as stated earlier I'm looking forward to no discernable changes. As you were people."

This.

"Well, that was a early morning shock! Peed off I didn't buy my dollars yesterday, but hey I'm sure it will all bounce back as the dust settles!"

and this...

Employment - already been a mention of making a decision today about making an individual redundant, we are not likely to let anyone go at the moment but a role I was going to fill in October will be put on hold to see how much belt tightening our clients make. I have a bit of a feeling that the 48% who voted in are the ones making a lot of these types of decisions. For our business over the next 2 - 3 years we would have employed at least another 2 IT grads and it seems unlikely that will happen even if business picks up - economies are all about confidence and that has just evaporated

I missed the part where Jeremy Corbyn, as an act of political expediency to win the GE, decided he would hold a EU referendum. 😕

Well I was in , but now we're out, I'm gutted , but not suprised.

I am utterly ashamed of of my country this morning. As well as being despondent for my childrens future.

General election by Christmas - France to call referendum to leave...House of cards etc etc......Where's JHjive when you need him?

What we need now is another referendum, with a question along the lines of
"When would you like the government to start the process to leave the EU"
a)ASAP
b)Never

I wonder how many people voted Leave as a protest, and would change their choice given the chance.

This will be David Camerons legacy, in the same way that Iraq is Tony Blairs

BINNERS where are you, give us hope

People are way off the mark if they think 'out' voters will be disappointed. Society and politics doesn't work like that. Look at the Tory voters. Tory were voted in and are screwing everyone over but do you hear people wishing they hadn't voted Tory? No, they get more right wing and blame the EU and immigration, not the party who they voted in who is actually the problem.

I've the same reaction as nearly everyone I know, which is today I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be British; and it's a good day for bigots and racists.

Makes me wonder if this is a country that I want my child to grow up in.

Best of three?

So Farige has admitted the 350m figure for the NHS was a'mistake'

This will be David Camerons legacy, in the same way that Iraq is Tony Blairs

Doesn't seem to have slowed him down much. Doing very well for himself.

I am utterly ashamed of of my country this morning.

I'm assuming the STW demographic is from the South East and Scotland!?

Or just under 50.

Buillders shares are in freefall:

redrow -76%
Bovis -56%
Taylor Wimpey -35%
etc...

Tim Shipman (Funday Times PolEd) tipping that PM will resign in 5 minutes.

outofbreath - Member

"Glad that's over and as stated earlier I'm looking forward to no discernable changes. As you were people."

This.

Farige has admitted the 350m figure for the NHS was a'mistake'

Farage wasn't part of the 'vote leave' campaign that made it.

*starts timer*

pictonroad - Member
Best of three?

The result is not what I wanted (or voted for) but I am not surprised.

I was undecided how to vote and found the Remain campaign very poor and something instinctive within me was very tempted to vote Leave. The fact that many on here and in wider society were labelling me a racist xenophobe for daring to consider this also pushed me towards leave.

I fought through this, sought out sensible views and articles (the one posted on here by the professor from Liverpool university was very influential) and made a balanced decision to vote Remain.

I guess many people did not bother to do this and went with their gut feeling. The spirit of Agincourt, Trafalgar, Battle of Britain and Orwell are still deeply embedded in the English psyche and the unelected EU officials anti-democratic are anathema to many voters.

Disappointed at the result and think things would have gone differently in the Remain campaign had conducted a more positive campaign (and pro-Remainers wound their necks in, stopped throwing around abusive terms and respected democracy).

FWIW, I'm utterly ashamed of your country too.

Yes. It's like being handcuffed to an idiot.

I have no understanding of why a country would do this to itself. Or perhaps more pertinently why a country should be allowed to do this to itself.

Doesn't the government owe some sort of duty of care to its citizens that should prevent self harm?

Possibly Cameron to resign. On the news just now.

From the [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-branded-shameful-for-claiming-victory-without-a-single-bullet-being-fired-a7099211.html ]Indy[/url].

"Nigel Farage has been branded “unbelievably insensitive and crass” after claiming the Leave party had emerged victorious in the EU referendum “without a single bullet being fired” in a preemptive victory speech."

Congratulations everyone

Possibly Cameron to resign. On the news just now.

Jolly good, we'll have the poundstretcher Trump in charge instead.

*stops timer*

I voted in, my dad voted out. It's his birthday today, so I can't boo him till tomorrow 🙁

Great that we are leaving. Shame it's too late.

Cameron is going..

Christ....who next? Gove? Johnson? Jamba?

What a choice 🙁

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Only one thing for it - purges, lots of purges.

Cam-Gone... by October

I just love the obvious Remain supporters judging the UK as being small-mnded and racist as a result of this vote but I didn't see them tarring Norway, Switzerland etc, etc with the same brush.

I also love people wringing their hands like it's the end of the World and they might as well drown their kids now to save them from the misery to come. Get over it, life will go on and there will be many positives and negatives to argue about in the coming years.

"new leadership"

Cameron resigns...

He's off

That'll have a stabilising effect.

It is sadly very evident to me this morning from scanning through my Facebook news feed that most of those people I know who are celebrating the result of the referendum are the very people I feared voting the most.

They're not the well educated, rational, intelligent, considerate folk. I'll leave it at that. Actually, I won't - from firsthand experience of these people having grown up among them, they're mostly ****tards who wouldn't stand a chance of spelling EU referendum, let alone understand the consequences of voting leave.

Pessimistic I know, but I can't help but think we could end up with a lot of the perceived drawbacks of our current EU membership in order to get the trade deals we need, just without the many, many benefits.

However, the country (very tempted to leave the o out) has spoken, my hope is that the EU now craps itself and our negotiations to leave actually lead to membership/association of/with a different type of European institution, which will be in our better interest.

Well this mixes things up

Three months of intense infighting and positioning for the leadership.

The only person I want to see in the job is Jacob Rees-Mogg.

...and I have no idea why. He's just bloody hypnotic.