[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Just had a low stock alert from Screwfix - they’ve had a big order for red paint. Something about some new lines being painted.

I do hope we have to employ a lot more civil servants to sort it all out.

Will wiggle still close the NI/CRC warehouse or relocate to it? going to play havoc with customs.

Relax; I am sure the ministry for Brexit misinformation will be along soon to explain what a glorious victory this is for Great Britain.

mrmo - Member

Will this mean cheap bits from CRC?

Will wiggle still close the NI/CRC warehouse or relocate to it? going to play havoc with customs.

Only bikes left in NI now.

[i]Something about some new lines being painted. [/i]

Basically there's been 8 months of the UK not agreeing to what the EU asked for to be able to start Trade negotiations before agreeing to it all with no concessions granted to the UK.

So we coudl be 8 months down the line on trade negotiations now.

Hang on - If NI can stay in the single market/ customs union not diverge from EU standards etc and this is satisfying the referendum result then can the whole of the UK?

Will the loonies revolt? How long does a leadership challenge take or can they just sack her?

Will the loonies revolt? How long does a leadership challenge take or can they just sack her?

None of them want to be the Brexit PM, happy to snipe from backbenches, too terrified of opinion polls showing labour victory to risk an election

I think they might be stupid enough to collapse the government. The DUP will hate the supposed NI solution, The rabid tendency will be frothing for all sorts of reasons. there is enough completely unhinged loons to bring them down

Bonkers if true, goodbye NI.

Problem is May has zero chance of getting this through parliament IMO

Redwood, Rees Mogg and the rest of the rbids will not cope with ECJ involvement, and will be very unhappy about no conditions regarding a trade deal

DUP will go ballistic at the first hint of anything being different about NI to mainland UK

SNP will be after their share

and don't forget that all 27 still have to agree

Anyone else enjoying all this control we were promised 18 months ago? At this rate we'll be in the euro soon and calling London Londres.

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The UK has border agency check points in Calais, so EU border agency check points in NI Ports and airports seems reasonable, and avoids dividing Ireland.

A week ago I said:

Have a border between NI and the UK mainland manned by EU customs and I think trade negotiations can start. If that is not the case I think no deal is better than a bad deal for the EU and Ireland so no trade negotiations should proceed until the UK signs up to that.

It's all unravelling rather quickly once we actually get down to the practicalities of what this fiasco really means.

Good.

[i]Problem is May has zero chance of getting this through parliament IMO[/i]

Corbyn will force a three line whip on anything that he sees as Brexit. Opposition? Not really.

..and re unites Ireland which may please some and upset others.

Well who'd have thunk it?

The DUP MP Sammy Wilson has come out and said that they won't support any regulatory alignment on the Island of Ireland

Has that massive bung actually been paid to them yet? That piano still needs to go up those stairs....

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Pour ma part, bienvenue nos nouveaux suzerains européens (with apologies to Eduk and cchris).

Would there be scope for London to have a special deal as well?

How long until another election?

4 O clock?

Corbyn will force a three line whip on anything that he sees as Brexit. Opposition? Not really.

Phew - looks like phase 2 can commence soon. Well done the grown ups. Despite all the **** going on around then they look like to have pulled of some sensible compromises here. Shame it took so long but not easy.

Good job that remoaners who claimed none of this would be possible look like they are being proved wrong. No wonder the £ is up too!

Some very smart minds have obviously been very hard at work. Bravo!

So 'continued regulatory alignment' will only apply to NI, and not the rest of the UK.

Yep.... can't see her having a problem getting that one past everyone. Parliament will just rubber stamp that one for you Theresa 😆

Phew - looks like phase 2 can commence soon. Well done the grown ups. Despite all the **** going on around then they look like to have pulled of some sensible compromises here. Shame it took so long but not easy.

Good job that remoaners who claimed none of this would be possible look like they are being proved wrong. No wonder the £ is up too!

UK government endorse a United Ireland. (well kind of 🙂 )

Its gone exactly as I and most other remainers thought. Full on capitulation from May and co as the realisation that they can't have their cake and et it and a shafting of the DUP

If my chocolate supplier relocates from Dorset to ROI .What’s to stop him getting the chocs from Belgium and then shipping them via NI to me?

DUP (& hardcore Brexies) will moan & wail

But just like the Tories, they know if the government goes tits up they loose any influence, if they blow this they can kiss their 10bn and power goodbye...

Of course if the Tories had just conceded all this nine months ago (instead of making up their fantasy red lines- pretending that the lies of Brexit we're vaguely based in reality) we'd already be well into trade talks !

Good job that remoaners who claimed none of this would be possible look like they are being proved wrong. No wonder the £ is up too!

Looks like "remoaners" are the ones pointing out simple truths (ie in this case that NI must operate in both the SM & CU to keep the border much as it currently is) that understand "the possible" to me. Anyway… a close deal now looks possible… a few more bits of Brexiter thinking still to be expunged from the government's approach and we're on our way to a worse but not bad deal. Once we're there, and the realty doesn't match what people thought they were voting for… will they get a say before it's too late to try and keep our current good deal?

Full on capitulation = compromise on bill that means final payment will be close to existing payments but can be presented to Europeans as more. Very clever from both sets of grown ups. And probably the same when we seen the (lack of) details on the Irish border. Again very smart.

And finally on to trade so that the missing blanks can be filled in, in a sensible manner.

[url= http://newsthump.com/2017/12/03/we-should-tell-eu-to-stuff-their-divorce-bill-apart-from-the-bit-that-pays-my-pension-insists-nigel-farage/ ]We should tell EU to stuff their divorce bill[/url] apart from the bit that pays my pension, insists Nigel Farage

If Romania decides it’s not happy with the deal do we have to bribe them as well?
Then in turn every country on the mainland?

The first minister of Scotland has said exactly what you expect her to say… ignoring that there is no sea between Scotland and England, of course, but she still has a point… it is a political decision to not operate in the SM & CU… and not a wise one.

Full on capitulation = compromise on bill that means final payment will be close to existing payments but can be presented to Europeans as more. Very clever from both sets of grown ups. And probably the same when we seen the (lack of) details on the Irish border. Again very smart.

And finally on to trade so that the missing blanks can be filled in, in a sensible manner.

Usually I don't reply to THM's waffle but...what planet are you living on?

I hope we have managed to secure some protection for UK citizens in Europe too - the ones that so many were happy to abandon....

And finally on to trade so that the missing blanks can be filled in, in a sensible manner.

Edit - it's either planet troll or planet brexit, the air is a little hard to breath with the chain smoking brexiter in chief counting his pension.

Earth

Solid ground not remoaner BS

FFS, despite all the BS, the nutters and her own incompetence, May might have done something here. But better wait until this afternoon. As always the Devil's in the detail.

the ones that so many were happy to abandon....

Who are the "so many" ?

May might have done something here. But better wait until this afternoon. As always the Devils in the detail.

Alll true. Draft leak suggests that this is some kind of fall back position, rather than necessarily the end point. It is already the afternoon here though. Still hoping that this move is what it looks like… a close deal is a hell of a lot closer if it is. When will we know? Offical DUP statement is the first real moment to watch later this afternoon… their response is still unknown really (where as the Scottish response could have been predicted by anyone). Then it's a long wait to hear what UK gov ministers say when asked if they support the move...

Go backand read all the pages on making stupid unilateral declarations on the rights of EU citizens - take the moral high ground etc. - while ignoring the rights of UK citizens. With friends like these....

And read the newish thread in the challenges faced by UK citizens....good job that they haven't been abandoned

Angry with the wrong people again THM? Or just angry with everyone?

teamhurtmore - Member
Go backand read all the pages on making stupid unilateral declarations on the rights of EU citizens - take the moral high ground etc. - while ignoring the rights of UK citizens. With friends like these....

FFS, despite all the BS, the nutters and her own incompetence, May might have done something here. But better wait until this afternoon. As always the Devil's in the detail.

I think her power here is actully being so incredibly weak that the hardcore brexies, the DUP & even the saner Tories are so scared of tenuous Mays grip on power is that they have to be on board,

else itll be Corbs roasting his chestnuts on the fire at No 10 by xmas 😉

He just has a revisionist Trump like grasp on reality.