Anyone here got a solution to the N.I. border issue?
With the insistence that we leave the Customs Union I am bereft of workable solutions.
And remember "[i]workable solutions[/i]" should exclude anything that would end up with us losing WTO complaint cases, ideally. We are trying to increase, not decrease, our nonEU trade, allegedly...
kelvin - Member
"If we don't back Theresa May, we will have no Brexit"
That's the words of a government minister. Today. Interesting
Don't tell the swivel-eyed Brexiters that,
Now that their lie has been exposed as fantasy - that Brexit would be easy & the EU would be begging us for a deal....
They are now busy saying that WTO would be better, knowing that it's never going to happen so that when the damage of Brexit is laid bare they can see say it wasn't their fault .
Undermining May & the country less important than protecting their reps/egos
Pig face I would suggest we wait until we know the terms of our future access to the SM and CU then it should become clearer. Bit silly to be definitive before we know that.
#Pigface - MemberAnyone here got a solution to the N.I. border issue?
With the insistence that we leave the Customs Union I am bereft of workable solutions.
It would appear to be hard border in the Irish sea and shaft the DUP
Surely our future access to SM and CU depends to a large extent on finding a suitable NI border solution?
But here's a thought. If we go for the no deal option, who would be responsible for the border? Us or the EU? If the swivel-eyed loons want closed borders to keep out Johnny Foreigner then presumably it would be incumbent on us to build a wall?
Shouldn't the solution to the Irish border inform that new relationship in some way? I know both the UK and EU teams have said that shouldn't happen, but hey, they can both be wrong. Still waiting for an outline solution, never mind something definitive.
mikewsmith - MemberAnd unicrons
OK, that does sound worse than a bad deal
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.who would be responsible for the border? Us or the EU?
Given the amount of goods that could be smuggled into the UK to avoid tax, it would be more important for the UK to secure the border. I don't think either entity is particularly liable, but the UK would stand to lose out more..
If there's no hard border I envisage a lot of dubious distribution centers being set up on the Irish side.
People voted to leave because of immigration. So the UK will be the country putting up the wall across the border. Anything else would be a betrayal of Brexit.
They voted for Brexit for a myriad of diverse reason from bringing back control to stopping Muslims getting here
Betrayal is a strong word especially when misrepresenting/overstating why everyone voted a specific way
Certainly immigration was a factor , especially for the racist brexit voter , but it was not the critical reason for all voters
They voted for Brexit for a myriad of diverse reason from bringing back control to stopping Muslims getting here
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I wonder what Farage thought it was about?
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We should just have a stupid-lying-brexit-poster face-off.
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We should just have a [b]smart-cunning-manipulative[/b]-lying-brexit-poster face-off.
Don't forget:
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In other news, Turkey isn't joining the EU, but Boris Johnson wouldn't mind getting a piece of the action if it ever goes ahead. Or something.
Or a picture of a thicko.
Regardless, my point still stands: politicians who whipped up fears about immigration can hardly now turn around and say they want an open border with Ireland.
One of my (least) favourite bits of manipulation…
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Or a picture of a thicko.
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The rest of the world looking on in bemusement.
former Irish prime minister Bertie Ahern yesterday described Mrs May ‘out of her depth’ and that Mr Corbyn was ‘beginning to look like he may be the next Prime Minister’.Speaking in Dublin, Mr Ahern said: ‘They [the Tories] have a weak Prime Minister who is only there because the other headbangers who were on the Brexit side were fighting each other at the time. She came up the middle.
‘I feel sorry for her because she is totally out of her depth.’
Better picture of the Brexit Secretary
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So that's why Hunt was trying to scare the swivel-eyed brexies to stop weakening May.
They mustve seen the latest survation poll
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and the amusing thing about the national curry day, and the breaking point poster.
most Indian restaurants are staffed by Bangladeshis, and Bangladeshis are predominantly muslims.....
Jesus, how shit are the Tories at carrying this through?
Again, I feel sorry for our forum Tory shills (including the “neutrals” 😆 ) - forced by their sense of duty to flip between defending the bishop bashing Green to saying “you didn’t like those red lines? Ok we have new red lines. You’re gonna love these red lines. They’re beautiful”
Hilarious.
The chefs from Asia backed the Leave vote , but within months they realized it was a big mistake , especially after TM visit to India where she said immigration would still be restricted .
So new week and hopefully more progress. We may even get on to trade by Dec/Jan at this rate.
The moans will get shriller and shriller while businesses' relief will become more palpable...
Anyone else notice the overt multicultural theme in this year's Christmas TV ads?
Brexit backlash from remainer companies and ad agencies perhaps?
The moans will get shrilled and shrilled
I know didn't redwood, IDS, Lawson, Mogg put out some sort of wailing statement today about how it should be WTO only ?
The benefits for the EU of UK leaving.
We may even get on to trade by Dec/Jan at this rate.The moans will get shriller and shriller while businesses' relief will become more palpable...
You Mean May has capitulated on the CU as well...
How would it be hypocritical to take EU pension and golden parachute payment (€160,000 for Farage I believe) ? He campaigned for our exit as an elected MEP, thise who voted for him voted for him to do that job and be paid for it, pension and all.
Anyway you still need to get us that list of WTO only countries
@mike its a redundant question as [b]we[/b] won’t be trading only on WTO. We have put in place the mechanism to transfer all 60 EU “free trade deals” and we’ll be signing others tout de suite. Canada has already made clear they want replicate and extend their CETA deal, Australia, NZ, Japan and yes the USA will follow. The EU is a [b]protectionist racket[/b], it is the Uk which cares about free trade.
BTW on that video I posted it says the Canada / EU deal really only took 3 years starting from scratch
May and the Tories are motivated to sign new deals before the next GE in 2023 to show material progress post Brexit. IMO a “bad ”deal with say Japan or US will still be materially better than our qdsappalling EU arrangement and will of course be payment free and no Japanese Court of Justice
Anyway my predictions for Monday and the EU summit.
No “sufficient progress” announcement, dramatic music
Many “we’re tough” EU pontifications
Actual agreement to step up “preparitory” work on UK / EU trade in the event of “sufficient progress”
“Sufficient pogress” declared sometime after Merkel forms a government, mid Jan ?
On a more serious note; don't even mention Euratom. TM, DD, BJ and MG have got a freeking clue when they signed the up the UK to leave Euratom. The incompetency is mind blowing. Even more so when they asked the Nuclear Inspectorate to write the risk impact after they said we were leaving.
May (we) will fold on NI, as she has with Divorce bill & ECJ etc.
Just gonna be keeping the DUP happy when she offers NI some sort of CU deal..... Wait and see what sturgeon (or Davidson for that matter) says to that!
Meanwhile a majority of the country now fancy a second referendum (for the record I don’t).
Will of the people.
@jambalaya - I am certainly not an expert on this, but surely it is not certain that we will adopt grandfather rights to trade deals. Its a gamble and against WTO trade rules and any oppostiion from WTO members? To say "we will..." is presumptive unless supported on evidence. I guess we will wait and see.
@mike its a redundant question as we won’t be trading only on WTO. We have put in place the mechanism to transfer all 60 EU “free trade deals” and we’ll be signing others tout de suite. Canada has already made clear they want replicate and extend their CETA deal, Australia, NZ, Japan and yes the USA will follow. The EU is a protectionist racket, it is the Uk which cares about free trade.
Wow, you here all week with jokes like that? What does the UK have to offer these countries, and what does the UK have to strong arm negotiations to get the same terms? How long will these magic deals take to negotiate? Chances of them being ready and in place in 2019 are zero.
We have put in place the mechanism to transfer all 60 EU “free trade deals”
Not what our Liam has been saying Jamba. Mind you I doubt he knows what his department is doing to be fair.
The EU is a protectionist racket,
As are all trade tariffs and trade deals. Why have them otherwise?
And imagine having worked out your inside the protection racket and pointing out how tough they make it for everyone else and then suggesting being on the wrong side of it.
The "positives" of Brexit is still being pushed?
Seriously, there isn't any.
Incredible. 😯
The EU is a protectionist racket,
No, it actually isn't. It has reduced tariffs between its member countries.
IGM - tut, tut. Read the text not the headline
May and the Tories are motivated to sign new deals before the next GE in 2023
2022, before we consign these ****s to the dustbin of history. If not sooner.
Tick tock.
