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Dazh, no deal Brexit won't be better than reversing brexit later on down the line. It will cause more polarisation when the economy tanks. People will blame Europe, non EU migrants will become the next target when the economy tanks. It will descend into what happened during the 30s.
Dangerousbrain is tight though, maybe we need to get to a point where we become the most hated nation on the planet to have a rethink like Germany did.
Which is is now almost larger than the number of MP’s that attended the debate on World Poverty the other week. Tells you everything you need to know.
So true ... 🤣
Everyone in the party might as well proclaim him/herself as the leader.
The British politics is facing a testing time ...
It will cause more polarisation when the economy tanks
...start rolling down your local high street to quell the rebellion after the inevitable collapse of society.
philxx1975
It is really easy. You stick two fingers up to Juncker et al and get on with it.
It isn't- even with the hardest of brexits there's all sorts of preparations and decisions to be made, you can't vote the outside world away entirely.
But that isn't the point- "two fingers to Juncker and get on with it" delivers a brexit, but it doesn't deliver the brexit that many brexiteers voted for. That's not a problem for remainers, that's a problem for brexiteers
And it's literally the reason we haven't left the EU. A brexit deal was offered, but not enough brexiteers liked it. It wasn't hard enough for some, it was too hard for others. It was blocked by brexiteers, in fact it was voted down by some of the mentallest most hardcore brexiteers of all.
Brexiteers can complain, once they've decided what brexit they're all getting behind. 52/48 means that practically every last brexit voter- 96% in fact- has to agree with the brexit that actually happens for it to be honouring the referendum results or the "will of the people".
And that's never going to happen, is it? You know that, I know that. And this isn't the work of remainers- it's the work of the Leave campaign, coming home to roost at last. They knew they could only hope to win by offering all possible (and impossible) brexits.
The referendum was a vote for "let's go out and get a drink" vs "let's stay in". Some people wanted a coffee, some people wanted a fine wine, some people wanted to line up the jaegerbombs. And so "let's get a drink" won, but they're still arguing so much about what sort of drink to get, they haven't left the house yet.
And now, the people that wanted a pint of goat semen are insisting that it's the will of the people that everyone else drinks one too, because 52% of people voted to get a drink. They haven't checked yet to see if there's even enough goat spunk in the world, but if it turns out there isn't, that'll be a betrayal by the non-drinkers.
I like Andrea Leadsom...
I’ve got plants in the back garden that are considerably more intelligent, with far more personality.
The only one of the Tory candidates who isn’t a totally unhinged self-serving shyster is Rory Stewart. He actually seems like a decent bloke (very un-Tory). Calm, intelligent and reasoned, with shedloads of real world life experience
He hasn’t got a prayer
Am I logged in aren't I logged in - WTF. Anyhow:
As ever this thread is delightful reflection of the whole process. Reactions and views are more extreme by the day.
But yes, we may have to suffer some pain to avoid something much worse later.
You really think, as a socialist, that the pain of Brexit will avoid something much worse. I assure you that Brexit if it ever happens will be the start of something much worse. All those civilised (EU) rules that limit the crazies will be wiped of the statute books and you'll see poverty, oppression and infighting on that little island like you haven't seen for a couple of centuries.
Vive la révolution !
Northwind, that's a great post.
True dat
But that isn’t the point- “two fingers to Juncker and get on with it” delivers a brexit, but it doesn’t deliver the brexit that many brexiteers voted for
Au contraire
You and many others walked into a polling station
52% thought at that time that's exactly what they were getting with a cherry on top.
48% thought it was a shit idea.
The rest of your viewpoint drinks and all is what is happening now , today, it had nothing to do with the past , there was no small print to read.
I have no doubt the next vote (if there is one) wont come with an education manual either.
52% thought at that time that’s exactly what they were getting with a cherry on top.
All of them? How exactly can you know this?
I'm assuming you've either asked 17.4 million people why they voted for brexit.
Or
Can read minds.
Either way you're wasted here.
I’ve got plants in the back garden that are considerably more intelligent, with far more personality.
Nobody noticed her so no matter what she does might not work hence cannot be a leader but I like her.
The only one of the Tory candidates who isn’t a totally unhinged self-serving shyster is Rory Stewart. He actually seems like a decent bloke (very un-Tory). Calm, intelligent and reasoned, with shedloads of real world life experience
No leadership quality other than administrator.
He hasn’t got a prayer
The entire party has no hope ...
The other main parties will face the same problem ...
Tom Raynor of Sky News is reporting a Jeremy Corbyn email to Labour MPs
"the deadlock in Parliament can now only be broken by the issue going back to the people through a general election or a public vote. We are ready to support a public vote on any deal"
52% thought at that time that’s exactly what they were getting with a cherry on top.
No they didn’t. If they did, we would have left by now.
Firstly the problem with the “simple in / out vote” was it was everything to every man.
Do you want a high value currency tax haven to attract services, finance and rich tax avoiders?
Or a low value currency, closed shop to attract manufacturing and get the ‘under class’ back in work?
Do you not care about the economy and just want to stop immigration and bring back old “British standards”?
Do you want to keep the single market and freedom of movement, but be free to make our own rules and remove the influence of the EU in our rule making?
Brexiteers have to remember that whilst Remainers won’t give up, it’s not us that’s stopping Brexit, we could have left by now, but it was Brexiteers who voted against the deal that took 2+ years to negotiate, it wasn’t even the long term plans for the UK post Brexit they couldn’t agree on, it was the withdrawal interim deal.
Brexiteers are the reason we haven’t left, because if you promise contradictory things to different people, you’re not going to be able to deliver it.
Oh do shut up you quite happily ticked one of the boxes at the time if you weren’t sure you shouldn’t have STOP blaming everyone else.
I'll say what I like. Your ignorance is your failing, not mine.
Tom Raynor of Sky News is reporting a Jeremy Corbyn email to Labour MPs
“the deadlock in Parliament can now only be broken by the issue going back to the people through a general election or a public vote. We are ready to support a public vote on any deal”
That looks like the art of political manoeuvring from JC. 👍 😀
His integrity remain intact and will not go down in history as the person to be blamed.
Unlike his counterpart who said one thing but did the opposite.
If JC supports No Deal strongly he will go down in history as amongst the greatest politicians of his time. 😃
JC true supporters are the working class people that want to leave but his middle class well off supporters want to remain.
What JC can do is to tell their middle class supporters to go to Lib Dem or Green whatever and let Labour be a true Labour leave/brexit party.
If he does that he will be a PM with balls.
Tom Raynor of Sky News is reporting a Jeremy Corbyn email to Labour MPs
Is anybody taking any notice of Corbyn after the EU elections? In the current parliament he is outvoted, and after a general election he'll be watching PM's question time on TV at home.
Is anybody taking any notice of Corbyn after the EU elections? In the current parliament he is outvoted, and after a general election he’ll be watching PM’s question time on TV at home.
Of course JC and soon to be ex-PM faces the same dilemma because both parties consist of both remainders and leavers.
They are all trying to guess the mood of their own supporters which is not easy, and one wrong move either way means decimation of their party as you have already witnessed in the UK EU MEP election.
taxi25
In case you missed it this is from the front page of the leaflet that went through every door in the UK.
yeah, maybe you shouldve read that leaflet all the way through, coz it said how we leave was up fo negotiation after the vote,
just coz the brexiteers were able to sell you whatever fantasy you projected onto brexit, did not mean you were going to get it, hence the last 3 years of circlejerking & its why everyone that just voted for farage is going to end up bitterly disappointed again (when will they learn?)
All of them? How exactly can you know this?
It's Irrelevant I DO know as do YOU that 52% voted to leave.
No they didn’t. If they did, we would have left by now.
Picking the bits that make you feel comfortable won't help dear, the people have had sod all to do with leaving since the Clear and Stable commitment was made by the illustrious shits in Parliament who have only ever jockied for their own self serving policies, as I said previously whichever side you voted , YOU'RE powerless.
Its Irrelevant I DO know as do YOU is that 52% voted to leave.
So what? Three years ago is ancient history in political terms - I’m amazed they’re still pretending to try to leave.
The Brexies all kept quitting and running away - except Dr Fox. But then he’s a bit useless.
I don't have a rebuttal that isn't vacuous rhetoric; therefore it is irrelevant.
I also dislike the self-serving policies enacted by 'illustrious shits' so have voted to give them full and total control to do whatever they want!
The Brexit contradiction in all it's glory.
Corbyn pro referendum now so brexit should be stopping shortly.
He’s still a Brexiteer. I’ll be amazed if his new found commitment to a referendum lasts until tomorrow.
We’ve been here before
He's kicked the can to September now, hasn't he?
Long game…
Tick. Tock.
He’s still a Brexiteer. I’ll be amazed if his new found commitment to a referendum lasts until tomorrow.
We’ve been here before
Yep and the confirmatory ref has been voted against twice. But not by the majority of Labour, or Corbyn.
Great result in the EU elections. We can watch the EU fall apart from a safe distance, just need another Maggie in number 10 to play hardball with the faceless unaccountable technocrats in Brussels. Viva Great Britain 😀
I don’t have a rebuttal that isn’t vacuous rhetoric; therefore it is irrelevant.
How about the one where in 3 years the same 8 people will still be on here arguing about something completely beyond their control.
The only one of the Tory candidates who isn’t a totally unhinged self-serving shyster is Rory Stewart. He actually seems like a decent bloke (very un-Tory). Calm, intelligent and reasoned, with shedloads of real world life experience
Yeah, he seems not as bad as the others. Then you take a look at his voting history and see he is just as much of a tory **** as the rest of them. Anti welfare and pro war with his only savior being that he is not homophobic like a lot of the others.
Dianne Abbott was just interviewed on Radio 4. She said 'we are now prepared to foreground the idea of a 2nd referendum'
WTF does that even mean?
Sounds like individual labor MP's, in the vacuum where leadership should be, are just making it up on the hoof.
The election results are terrible for labour, but they're far worse for the Tories who are now embarking on a leadership election where they'll be fighting like rats in a sack
Any opposition worthy of the name would be massively capitalising on that. But the open goal looks like it'll be going begging once again
Dianne Abbott was just interviewed on Radio 4. She said ‘we are now prepared to foreground the idea of a 2nd referendum’
Turns out she was supposed to be on Radio 2 putting forward the policy that they're now prepared to nineground a 23rd referendum.
Any opposition worthy of the name would be massively capitalising on that.
Probably too too busy trying to stop half his shadow cabinet resigning. This change of direction is going to be a disaster resulting in a new round of internecine fighting, and it won’t stop brexit. The only result will be Boris as PM with Farage pulling his strings. I hope when that happens I don’t see anyone complaining on here.
Eh?
The only result will be Boris as PM with Farage pulling his strings.
Whereas continuing on a path that the voters have just delivered a massive two fingers too, twice in a month, will deliver a labour government at a GE?
When your core vote just voted for the Lib Dem’s, SNP and the Greens, en masse, to reduce you to the worst share of the vote for over 100 years, you need to change direction. You don't just plough on regardless like he has done for the last 3 years. Thats what got the party in to this shambolic mess in the first place.
Even Corbynites like Paul Mason are urging him to re-engage with the real world
Probably too too busy trying to stop half his shadow cabinet resigning. This change of direction is going to be a disaster resulting in a new round of internecine fighting, and it won’t stop brexit.
That's where leadership comes in. A good leader should be able to explain that the only way to protect jobs, standards and an open society is to end this chaos and cancel Brexit, because the alternative is another decade of these bitter divisive negotiations making any other legislative agenda impossible.
A good leader should be able to do that & bring his party & electorate with them.
Sitting on the fence has failed utterly so far, wtf do you think more of the same will work, it's either cowardice or stupidity. Corbyn so far seems to be combining both.
Whereas continuing on a path that the voters have just delivered a massive two fingers too
I’m not saying they shouldn’t back a referendum, it was always inevitable given labour remainers have refused to compromise. However it makes winning an election almost impossible. People who want labour to be a full on remain party need to acknowledge that it also means they won’t win the next election. And it won’t stop brexit either. And you accuse brexiteers of being turkeys who vote for christmas!
except the numbers don't say that. i posted a poll up a few pages back that gave labour a 5 point lead ( IIRC ) over brexit party IF they came out pro-remain and pro second ref.
People who want labour to be a full on remain party need to acknowledge that it also means they won’t win the next election. And it won’t stop brexit either.
Agree. However, would need to see the results of a GE and what coalitions could be formed. The remain parties could form a coalition and the brexit parties could form a coalition and would depend on who has the majority coalition. I would be quite happy having a Labour/Lib Dem/Green coalition party.
Labour will not win an election with JC as leader. He has too many people who dislike him. His policies are almost irrelevant, people do not see him as prime minister material and will not vote for the party.
This opinion comes from speaking to various people at my work who vote for various parties. Some gave him a chance at the last election and others were a no from the beginning. The common consensus is a dislike and disappointment in JC due to his lack of leadership and for failing to be a good opponent against the worst government in history.
Oh do shut up you quite happily ticked one of the boxes at the time if you weren’t sure you shouldn’t have STOP blaming everyone else.
is this aimed at leavers? because i'm pretty sure remainers knew what they were voting for. leavers seem to have a wide selection of flavours of brexit they like, and, as others have pointed out, leavers seem to know precisely what they don't want, but not what they do want. there has to be 'something'. leaving with nothing is not nothing. you will still need 'some' arrangements with the rest of the world, otherwise we're going to have problems keeping the lights on and feeding everyone, just for starters.
How about the one where in 3 years the same 8 people will still be on here arguing about something completely beyond their control.
seems to me that the only one coming in here shouting in the absence of a reasoned argument is you. but you carry on. get it off your chest.
Labour will not win an election with JC as leader
Agreed. Jezza has really pissed off the overwhelmingly Remain membership of the party with constant vacillations and his weakness for reneging upon previous promises.
Indications are that he's going to kick the can down the road until September's conference season starts. I expect that this will also not go down very well with party members.
Sitting on the fence has failed utterly so far
It has held the labour party together far longer than it would have done otherwise. It's very strange and not a little disturbing that previously sensible people have allowed themselves to be sucked in to an entrenched binary position on brexit. You call it sitting on the fence, I call it sensible compromise. This shit-or-bust view of brexit is utterly mental, and is going to lead us to disaster, probably in the form of no-deal with a boris/Farage govt leading it, when the sensible alternative would have been a soft brexit deal as pursued by the current labour leadership.
In fact I'd go as far as to say this has been the plan of the rightwing nutters all along. Their fantasy of a completely deregulated and privatised economy and the destruction of the welfare state was not going to be achieved with brexit alone, but by the destruction of the labour party. They're on the brink of achieving that now, and they couldn't do it without the help of labour supporting remainers.
You could do a lot worse than watch this report from Sky News if you want to get a feel for the Brexit Party
Farage's Demagogue 101 Training he's had in the States is clearly paying off.
A good leader should be able to do that & bring his party & electorate with them.
A good leader? It would need a supernaturally good leader to do that in any sensible timespan.
They’re on the brink of achieving that now, and they couldn’t do it without the help of labour supporting remainers.
Yep. Once again it's all the fault of the Remainers.
Quite incredible.
Yep. Once again it’s all the fault of the Remainers.
It's the fault of many groups of people, and also an inevitable result of an alignment of circumstances beyond the control of any single politician or leader. But yes, I'm afrad, if we end up with a boris/farage led no deal, remainers who have pursued a remain at all costs position instead of accepting a compromise will share quite a lot of the responsibility.
Brexiteers have to remember that whilst Remainers won’t give up, it’s not us that’s stopping Brexit, we could have left by now, but it was Brexiteers who voted against the deal that took 2+ years to negotiate, it wasn’t even the long term plans for the UK post Brexit they couldn’t agree on, it was the withdrawal interim deal.
Brexiteers are the reason we haven’t left, because if you promise contradictory things to different people, you’re not going to be able to deliver it.
^^This^^
'Remaoaners Gonna Remoan' but it's the Brexity Brethren you need to get aligned with whatever version of Brexit is going to happen...
The election results are terrible for labour, but they’re far worse for the Tories who are now embarking on a leadership election where they’ll be fighting like rats in a sack
Any opposition worthy of the name would be massively capitalising on that. But the open goal looks like it’ll be going begging once again
I think we might actually be seeing Labour attempting to capitalise on something here, it's sunk in that they need a sufficiently different position from the Con's to keep their own party intact and the LD/Green?CHUK block of EU voters was about the same as the BXP/UKIP contingent So guess which 1/3rd of the vote they're now chasing?
TBH this doesn't feel like a real attempt to get a 2nd ref' more like they know it's now too little too late, but it's a nice bit virtue signalling towards centre-left remainers, to try and bring them back into the fold in time for the GE... But I don't think for a second that Jezza really means it, He's just going through the motions.
From today's Grauniad: In 2012, the Republican senator Lindsey Graham summed up conservatism’s problem with modern demographics and social attitudes more bluntly, saying: “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”
It's clear to see that manufactured rage is the answer to a larger dilemma.
if we end up with a boris/farage led no deal, remainers who have pursued a remain at all costs position instead of accepting a compromise will share quite a lot of the responsibility.
Too funny. From the thinking that brought you "women who dress provocatively are to blame for being raped".
There's been a distinct change in political language over the last ten years - we've started to see "the left" being used to describe virtually anyone who disagrees with the point of view held by a commentator, now it's "remainers" and "the left" being conflated.
The deeper problem is the intellectual bankruptcy behind the ideology - your James Delingpoles and Ben Shapiros are not political experts, they're merely commentators who will pour psuedo-intellectual scorn on whatever target they choose. But they never have solutions to long standing grievances.
Labour will not win an election with JC as leader. He has too many people who dislike him. His policies are almost irrelevant, people do not see him as prime minister material and will not vote for the party.
This opinion comes from speaking to various people at my work who vote for various parties. Some gave him a chance at the last election and others were a no from the beginning. The common consensus is a dislike and disappointment in JC due to his lack of leadership and for failing to be a good opponent against the worst government in history.
For me, his chances of getting my vote entirely depend on circumstance.
Post-Brexit, he's got no chance. I've zero interest in building a low-value currency based socialist utopia based on closed borders.
Pre-Brexit, IF he promises, very clearly (because I don't trust him really) that the moment he's in No10 he will order a 2nd Ref with Remain firmly on the ballot paper, verses a version of the UK post-brexit that's based on Fact and not Unicorns then I might, vote for him, knowing deep down I don't like his views on economy or political position on individual freedoms, but can accept that for the greater good. However if he tries a Corbyn's Deal v No Deal, I'd have consider the danger of no-deal.
But, really for me, Labour have to return to being a centric, for-everyone party for me to love them again.
So can we now start writing letters to Ann Widdecombe about EU parliament as she represents us?
But, really for me, Labour have to return to being a centric, for-everyone party for me to love them again.
Which policies do not fit this description?
Labour have to return to being a centric, for-everyone party for me to love them again.
Ah yes. The centric for everyone party which left a ****load of people feeling disillusioned and looking for alternatives as the centre lurched ever rightwards.
Don't worry. It's purged of all that now. Hence utopia being just round the corner...
Ah yes. The centric for everyone party which left a **** of people feeling disillusioned and looking for alternatives as the centre lurched ever rightwards.
Erm? what?
I'm not sure you've got your dates right. The open, centric Labour party won 3 elections on the bounce. Brown would have won a 4th of it wasn't for a global great recession that started in the US he got blamed for. The Far right in the 90s and early 2000s was a couple of dozen skinheads in the BNP shed and Robert Kilroy-Silk at the head of what became UKIP.
Now we've got a 'proper socialist' in charge of Labour they're getting slaughtered in the Local and EU elections by a Frog in an ill fitting suit and the Lib Dems who everyone hated for getting in bed with the Tories.
We can argue all you like, but as a Labour supporter do you want your Party in power? Then ask them to appeal to the majority, don't expect the population to come to your narrow way of thinking, because it's clearly not working.
****ity-bye?
I'd like Corbyn to be PM, it would be hilarious to see him request an extension then watch the EU try and turn his gibberish request into something workable only for the HoC to reject it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48434842
Amazing. The left in the party call him a War criminal, yet he only gets expelled and very quickly at that, when he votes for someone else.
MUST NOT DEFY THE LEADER.
We can argue all you like, but as a Labour supporter do you want your Party in power? Then ask them to appeal to the majority, don’t expect the population to come to your narrow way of thinking, because it’s clearly not working.
I think the question was which Labour policies do not fit the description of a centric Labour party.
So which policies are they and how are they putting off the majority of voters? And you can't mention Brexit, what actual policies are turning the voters away?
Amazing. The left in the party call him a War criminal, yet he only gets expelled and very quickly at that, when he votes for someone else.
Not amazing at all. Why even be a member of a party that you don't even vote for. If you don't agree with what the party stands for, prefer another party etc,. then leave.
Although I agree that they seem to have addressed this a lot quicker and more effectively than say someone who makes a racist comment.
Not amazing at all. Why even be a member of a party that you don’t even vote for. If you don’t agree with what the party stands for, prefer another party etc,. then leave.
Who did Kate Hoey vote for, btw? What is she doing still in the Labour Party?
https://badboysofbrexit.com/2018/01/16/richard-tice/
"Until 2014, Tice was CEO of CLS Holdings. One of its lucrative projects (before Tice became CEO) was a major leisure/retail development in Vauxhall that was warmly supported by Tice’s fellow Brexit cheerleader, the constituency’s Labour MP Kate Hoey. Tice’s friendship with Hoey goes back 20 years, according to Arron Banks’ book. He led two major planning applications for over 1.5 million sq ft of property in Vauxhall, including for two 50-storey residential towers."
Who did Kate Hoey vote for, btw? What is she doing still in the Labour Party?
F knows, I would have kicked her out years ago. Although there is a difference between being an MP and being a member.
This Kate hoey?
Shows how morally bankrupt Corbyn & the leadership are if they didn't kick her out for giving rarage labour members details
I’m not sure you’ve got your dates right. The open, centric Labour party won 3 elections on the bounce.
Yes with ever decreasing majorities and ever increasing support for alternatives like UKIP and so on. As people caught on to just how little new labour cared about them.
There was a very, very good reason Blair jumped when he did. He knew the game was up and wanted to go out on a high. As for Brown. if he had gone for a vote immediately he might have won but it would have been borderline and very unlikely another win would have been possible.
Look at many of the complaints from the Brexiteers many of them go back to Blair and his high handed very unopen approach to politics.
Under Blair the entire political spectrum lurched rightwards as the tories tried to create some distance between them but he followed. This led to moderate left wing policies now being claimed to be far left whereas hard right policies are normalised.
Then ask them to appeal to the majority
Ok so who is this majority? I think you are confusing it with "swing voters"/"centrists" who arent the majority but are just the ones who can swing a FPTP system. The flaw there is you leave lots of people on either the left or the right feeling unrepresented.
The problem with Labour and JC is that the situation seems a little too much like Kinnock. A perfect opportunity for them to become the party of government but ended up picking an unelectable leader. Yes, JC was quite popular when he first arrived on the scene with his straight talking politics and not wanting to do "gutter politics" and slagging off opponents. But the truth is, now, for a lot of people he is unelectable as a PM.
The EU elections in the UK didn't really show us anything that we didn't already know: The UK is still pretty much divided (nearly 50:50) on whether being in the EU is a good thing or a bad thing. Additionally, the Tories suffered because they have proved to be a bit of a bunch of ****wits over the whole Brexit handling and Labour are equally indecisive. Despite a supposed commitment to a clear set of policies on Brexit, none of the MPs could give a clear or consistent explanation. So the electorate effectively told both of them to do one.
I think it's also a little disingenuous to suggest that all Remain voters knew exactly what they were voting for. They didn't. Ultimately the referendum was a simplistic device that established a general view of do people want to remain within the constructs and direction of the EU or do they distrust the EU and want to leave. The biggest issue is that there are more complications with leaving than remaining but we can't say for sure which one will be best for us long term. The only thing you can say for certainty about remaining is that it allows us to keep the current status quo and a hope that if the EU starts deciding on policies that we don't like we might have a chance of changing or modifying them.
Who did Kate Hoey vote for, btw?
She hasnt said so she cant be kicked out on those grounds.
She has had a vote of no confidence passed by her local party though due to her views but thats a work in progress.
Firing Campbell immediately whilst repeatedly failing to act on anti-Semitism makes party loyalty seem less or more of a priority than racism...
The own goals just keep on coming
Kezia Dugdale wasn't expelled for telling folk to vote Tory in order to keep the SNP at bay.
Looks like the Tory leadership contest is going exactly as predicted. They're all out of the traps ratcheting up the No Deal/Clean Break/rabid fruit loop Brexit rhetoric
By the time all the senile, racist old giffers finally get to vote on it, any candidate not openly advocating annexing large swathes of France and resuming carpet bombing of Dresden will be considered a lily-livered, traitorous enemy of the people
Hmm...if only Campbell had tweeted anti-semtic remarks or had threatened to kill Jess Phillips, he'd have gotten away with a suspension instead of being expelled.
Corbyn's tweets from 2015 praising George Galloway have resurfaced, presumably with the intention of making him look like a colossal hypocrite.
The Tory Party press office must start every day by spending a good half hour absolutely laughing their tits off, then having a moment of silent reflection where they thank the gods for the day Millibean changed the labour party rules and some idiot decided to stick that weird, beardy Marxist bloke on the ballot paper for a bit of a laugh
But the truth is, now, for a lot of people he is unelectable as a PM.
The bookies will give you between 33 and 50 : 1
Stop talking about Corbyn and brexit. It's not about personalities and the biggest challenge since ww2, we need to focus on the finer points of manifesto commitments and conference resolutions, erm, something something illegal war?
The Maybot has just been on the radio news saying that the European elections were "a clear sign that the British people want us to deliver on Brexit".
I mean, looking at the figures, I'd have thought it was a clear sign that a bit more than half the country voted for Remain parties and a bit less than 50% voted for a frog in a suit.
She's been stuck on that "deliver on Brexit" mantra for a while now and it's not really got her very far. Other than decimating her party ranks and causing her to step down...
Tbe majority of voters did vote in favour of parties supporting Brexit, so she is correct.
“a clear sign that the British people want us to deliver on Brexit”.
Did she get challenged on that obviously flawed statement?
20% or so of the country is still not exactly a clear sign that the British people (i.e 100% of them) want anyone to deliver on Brexit. I know, those that don't bother to vote lose their say etc,. but still only 20% of the people.
You’ve got to love John Bercow, winding up the No Deal Brexiteer headbangers again
Can’t wait to see the reaction from Peter Bone, Bill Cash and all the rest of the fruit loops to this announcement 😂
Stop talking about Corbyn and brexit.
Sorry. But every Labour activist I know is anti-Brexit … yet the leader is not. Labour are not the problem, Corbyn is. The party needs to form a position without Corbyn fudging it up, and gain the trust of voters again.