Not sure he did
the country they stole and emigrated to as their own.
deviant - Member
Well this escalated, will I need to murder someone and claim their land when I move to oz?
No but we expect you to be open.minded, respectful of others regardless of their religion, sexuality, race or gende. Abide by the laws and all that. If you have a problem with any of that please stay in the UK.
Somebody started an immigration rant in my local pub, problem was moat of the people both sides of the bar were actually immigrants that night, he just thought as we were all white it was fine... Kicked out.
igm, sadly I've got another 13 yrs at the coalface until I can retire....until a generous relative pops their clogs and I get a windfall.... It'll be a glorious day, I may even book first class to travel away from this country that was once England.
Honestly (and with some sadness) I can't think of a single thing I'll miss such has been the colossal cock up of this country during my adult life.
Quick edit for mikewsmith....i have no problem with that, sadly people coming into the UK don't want to abide by those common sense rules, that's why I'm not retiring in the UK
You won't notice I'm here, I'll buy a plot a few acres in size towards the south of Western Australia to escape the harshest of the summer heat, about an hour's drive to the beach, about an hour inland to lush MTB county and peace and quiet, bliss.
It's what we did in 2015 with Wales but already in that short period you can feel and see the area is getting bigger and busier...It'll do for now and the house was a real gem, picked up for 240k with land and stables....the estate agent that sold it to us swung by the other day to tell us he had a cash butat willing to go over 300k to get it...and as a bonus just before interest rates rose the other month I locked us down in a three year 1%-ish fixed rate deal....despite my moaning I'm actually quite a happy chap!
Once retired or over 40 your choir of destination will be severely limited unless you have significant investment resources. Suck it up princess you will be stuck in Wales.
You should try a killfile mike, unless you are admitting....
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I can't think of a single thing I'll miss such has been the colossal cock up of this country during my adult life.
Name one thing that you can't do now as a direct result of the Muslim population of this country growing a bit. Name one thing that has impacted your life because a woman you don't know chooses to wear a piece of cloth on her head, or (god forbid) across her face? One thing that you've been stopped doing by a man going to mosque.
deviant - Member..my vote was a protest..
..such has been the colossal cock up of this country during my adult life.
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For some reason a poll that was conducted after the referendum comes to mind.
It looked at reasons for voting for Brexit. In the areas with the lowest number of immigrants do you know what the number one reason for voting leave was?
"I feel like a foreigner in my own country."
Deviant has a simpletons view on left and right, doesn't he?
a generous relative pops their clogs and I get a windfall.... It'll be a glorious day
A glorious day when a family member dies? What a charming person you are.
Anyway, you need to get back in your box as THM will be getting all huffy that someone else is stealing his limelight.
until a generous relative pops their clogs and I get a windfall
You sound a charmer.
I feel like a foreigner in my own country."
All those metropolitan PC types coming down and telling me i can't call paddies thick and go **** bashing at a weekend. not like it used to be!,
Once retired or over 40 your choir of destination will be severely limited unless you have significant investment resources. Suck it up princess you will be stuck in Wales.
Seemingly not, several of my colleagues, all registered paramedics, all over 40 (one was over 50), home owners in the UK have had no trouble getting into Australia.....couldn't take them quick enough, one of the services my colleague joined even got a Golden handshake of several thousand dollars to buy white goods with to kit out her new apartment...another one earns mega bucks doing fly in/fly out with an oil and gas company....this is what I'm talking about when I talk about good immigration vs bad immigration.....all of my colleagues have brought something of worth to Australia whether it be expertise in a specialist field, professional registration, equity in property and most importantly of all being working tax payers....they pay into the pot, they don't take handouts.
Apart from humanitarian refugees that's how immigration should be....what can you bring to the county?....nothing?....oh, see ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
What can you bring?...oh you're a registered health care professional, of working age, and with equity from your property....come right in!
I'm not silly Mike, I'll come over when I'm still working, chunk of money from paying off my mortgage in the UK that I'd like to invest in oz please and they'll take me like they did in 2014....i'll just be 53 not not 37 like we planned.
It'll be a glorious day, I may even book first class to travel away from this country that was once England.Honestly (and with some sadness) I can't think of a single thing I'll miss such has been the colossal cock up of this country during my adult life.
The UK has always been run badly. Learn some history.
sadly people coming into the UK don't want to abide by those common sense rules,
What the **** are you talking about?
You are not looking with an open mind I think. Perhaps Australia would suit you better. It sounds like the UK would be better off without you.
what can you bring to the county?....nothing?
What do you bring to this country? Unpleasantness and bigotry?
the country they stole and emigrated to as their own.
Fairly accurate and objective description of the British Empire there. Not particularly insensitive really.
Deviant needs to remember that immigrants in the UK are net contributors unlike the indigenous population.
Keep smiling
immigrants in the UK are net contributors unlike the indigenous population.
Forcing the work-shy to emmigrate and replacing them with productive immigrants. Increasing productivity and cultural diversity without increasing population density... A middle ground that keeps everyone happy. 😀
What do you bring to this country? Unpleasantness and bigotry?
You confuse my political leanings with my character.
I'm generous to a fault even when in debt myself, I'm fiercely loyal to friends and as my. Mother was one of nine children I have a lovely large family.
My grandmother was Guernsey French and had to evacuate from the Germans and my grandfather was Polish and had to escape the Nazis too.
Both immigrants, both intergrated into the village, both worked (no victim mentality with those two tough cookies) and both paid taxes....they were eternally grateful to the UK for taking them in and did all they could to be good citizens and pay the county back....it's not hard is it?....maybe I get my stance on. Immigration from them....it turns my stomach when someone arrives here and starts to demand a mosque to pray in, benefits because the wife doesn't speak English etc....how about a better use of that money to get her intro evening classes, speaking the language and then able to contribute to society....but I'mb going to massively generalise here and say the husband won't let her go to evening classes as she must run the house....huge generalisation over but I hope the point got across, some culture just isn't compatible with ours, some immigrants do all they can to integrate and become British, others are on the take.....don't believe me, there's a video of Macron in despair telling a Moroccan woman that he can't just issue French passports to anyone who wants one..about the only sense I've heard from him since he's been president...maybe, just maybe the leaders of Europe are starting to see that we don't have the infrastructure, schooling, heath, money etc for everyone that wants to come to Europe....god I hope so, Merkel's shenanigans the other year will haunt her for years.
It's not that I'm racist, or xenophobic....for me theres just two types of people in the world...those who work, and those who choose not to work (The disabled obviously get a pass on this)....i don't care if they're British or immigrant, if their idea of living here is claiming benefits and watching tv they can go to hell....whatever passport they have, it's a very nice simple view of things and helps me judge people very quickly because there is something inherently wrong with someone (British or foreigners) who think there is a bottomless pit and just want to take out of it.
So your problem is with people who don't want to work for a living, right?
Why do you think that immigrants fall into that category? How many immigrants do you know who want to come here just to watch TV and claim benefits? Really? Cos I think that is bollocks spread by the Daily Mail.
OoB - interesting. Will you stand for parliament on that ticket please? 8)
It'll be a glorious day, I may even book first class to travel away from this country that was once England
You do know that Wales is not England or perhaps, given the degree of ignorance otherwise displayed perhaps, you don't. More than happy to carry your cases back to the bridge if it would ease your exit.
OoB - interesting. Will you stand for parliament on that ticket please?
It was your idea, I was gonna vote for you!
But I insist...
they thought britain was overcrowded , should not have taken them in and they should have had stickers saying **** of out my country everywhere when they did arrive..you sure they were not a teensy weeny bit grateful?.maybe I get my stance on. Immigration from them
How many Muslims do you know? I find the more extreme the views on Muslims they fewer they know* - do you actually know any as friends?That is not a generalisation its bigotry based on no facts like me saying your polish grandparent was lazy and a benefit scrounger as that is what poles are like.I'mb going to massively generalise here and say the husband won't let her go to evening classes as she must run the house.
* the two bossiest women I know are both Muslims and the man is not wearing the pants in that home. How typical I dont know as I only know about 10 fairly well but my experience in the real word of oppressed women sheckled by the men is just DM ignorant BS. One may as well say all working class men get drunk and beat up their wives.
Immigrants are still net contributors unlike the Brits so you should actually love them - like your grandparents they dont come here to scrounge they come here to make a better life for them and their offspring
But I insist...
We could sub-contract the job of running for parliament on our ticket out to a Polish guy. He'd be more hard working than us and probably more effective.
You confuse my political leanings with my character.
a generous relative pops their clogs and I get a windfall.... It'll be a glorious day
Nope, don't think most people do.
In my case that’s more than likely to be true OoB.
.it turns my stomach when someone arrives here and starts to demand a mosque to pray in
has never happened, stop reading crap on t'internet, it's bad for your health.
no victim mentality with those two tough cookies
Also - are you suggesting that refugees who we allow to come here simply have a victim mentality? That is hugely harsh.
You seem to be saying that immigrants are bad except those who aren't? Well that's true of everyone, isn't it? I think you're making up people about whom to feel upset. Your real problem is swallowing right-wing bullshit and not understanding the reality of the situation.
Has anyone ever asked the state to provide a Mosque? Has the state ever provided one?
And what’s it got to do with the EU?
And are you also aware that Australia also has social problems and lots of immigrants?
There's a myth that Britain is overcrowded and it feeds in nicely to the Brexit propoganda and xenophobiaThat article is about the proportion of Britain that is built on. Its not about whether Britain is overcrowded.
Back to Brexit...
So if there is no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, we're still paying to be a member of the EU, and ECJ still has authority over EU citizens in the UK, won't this mean we are basically still in the EU in all but name???
How else can these things be achieved?
London has a unique set of expertise - the very word that is used in most analysis
Awesome. How exactly is it locked down so it can only exist in London?
I can name several geographical locations which used to have a "unique set of expertise" in one thing or another.
So if there is no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland ... How else can these things be achieved?
Total non-issue. All three sides agree they don't want a hard border.
Easy to acheive by just not putting any barriers or any building at the border. Most customs enforcement is intelligence lead. Most people will fill in the right forms online and pay the right duties. *If* either side wanted to do occasional random checks just do them 5 miles down the road. Not sure anyone will want to, though, it's not worth the effort.
It's not like there was ever a Berlin wall across the N/S Ireland border, you've always been able to walk across feilds from one side to the other. Really hard to imagine Southern Ireland saying "We're going to put up a wall, and the UK is going to pay for the wall."
So non-issue.
Mind you, I agree with your key point which is basically, "we aint leaving, and if we do leave it will be in name only".
I love it
David Davis is loking for litterally any excuse to get away from brexishambles!
THEGUARDIAN.COM David Davis is loking for litterally any excuse to get away from brexishambles!
Yes, but why so suprised? Wasn't it obvious from the morning after the vote?
"It's not like there was ever a Berlin wall across the N/S Ireland border" i have no personal knowledge of the "Old" border but i have represented some soldiers who were being trained to do the security in a string of "towers" along the border . Armed troops with a high level of surveillance equipment , overt and covert patrols with a green card checklist as to when to shoot to kill. It was not a soft or porous border. (apparently doing Es while on Tower duty is seen as a bad thing allegedly)
Hardly a non-issue. Yes, no-one wants the hard border - but people DO want out of the CU, which would require one. That's the issue.
Yes, no-one wants the hard border
Yup. So who's going to spend cash on creating a physical border checkpoint they don't want when 200m away you can just walk across fields?
but people DO want out of the CU, which would require one.
Why? Who's gonna force the ROI/EU/Britain to put a barrier up, and why?
Why? Who's gonna force the ROI/EU/Britain to put a barrier up, and why?
We voted to take back control of, among other things, our borders.
If anyone can just waltz across the Irish border, having travelled from anywhere they like in the world, where does that leave us?
The people of Calais would love it though.
Me and my wife agreed we did not want to live together this did not then make every thing a Non issue- its an issue because they agree they dont want an actual border but the solutions are complete oppositesTotal non-issue. All three sides agree they don't want a hard border.
1, is we stay in the Eu the other is we leave
I dont know why you need this explaining to you.
Its not its actual physical borders with checks and the notion that folk wont smuggle and be honest is naive in the extreme.Most customs enforcement is intelligence lead.
I dont get why folk think a problem like this , with no obvious solution is going to be solved never mind suggest its a non issue
If we're out of the CU then things can't be allowed in and out freely. That's the point of the CU.
But with a soft border, they would have no-one to stop them. I believe this is the issue.
[quote=deviant ]What do you bring to this country? Unpleasantness and bigotry?
You confuse my political leanings with my character.
I'm generous to a fault even when in debt myself, I'm fiercely loyal to friends and as my. Mother was one of nine children I have a lovely large family.
My grandmother was Guernsey French and had to evacuate from the Germans and my grandfather was Polish and had to escape the Nazis too.
Both immigrants, both intergrated into the village, both worked (no victim mentality with those two tough cookies) and both paid taxes....they were eternally grateful to the UK for taking them in and did all they could to be good citizens and pay the county back....it's not hard is it?....maybe I get my stance on. Immigration from them....it turns my stomach when someone arrives here and starts to demand a mosque to pray in, benefits because the wife doesn't speak English etc....how about a better use of that money to get her intro evening classes, speaking the language and then able to contribute to society....but I'mb going to massively generalise here and say the husband won't let her go to evening classes as she must run the house....huge generalisation over but I hope the point got across, some culture just isn't compatible with ours, some immigrants do all they can to integrate and become British, others are on the take.....don't believe me, there's a video of Macron in despair telling a Moroccan woman that he can't just issue French passports to anyone who wants one..about the only sense I've heard from him since he's been president...maybe, just maybe the leaders of Europe are starting to see that we don't have the infrastructure, schooling, heath, money etc for everyone that wants to come to Europe....god I hope so, Merkel's shenanigans the other year will haunt her for years.
It's not that I'm racist, or xenophobic....for me theres just two types of people in the world...those who work, and those who choose not to work (The disabled obviously get a pass on this)....i don't care if they're British or immigrant, if their idea of living here is claiming benefits and watching tv they can go to hell....whatever passport they have, it's a very nice simple view of things and helps me judge people very quickly because there is something inherently wrong with someone (British or foreigners) who think there is a bottomless pit and just want to take out of it.
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If we're out of the CU then things can't be allowed in and out freely.
They won't be *allowed* in and out freely. People will have to follow whatever procedures are required. ...but you don't need to stop people at the border for that. They can do it online from home.
Some people will break the rules. That happens anyway. If they do it on a big scale they'll get caught. If they do it on a small scale they'll probably get away with it, just like you or I would if we bought something on Ebay from Honk Kong without paying the tax.
If anyone can just waltz across the Irish border, having travelled from anywhere they like in the world, where does that leave us?
Far better off than if we put a hard border in.
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