[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Yeah, come on leavers: tell us, without using the words Britain, make, great, back, take, or independence, what will now happen to make things better.

@Ninfan post again in 2 hours when the markets open about "doom and gloom" and I'll remind you about this in 6 months, and 12 months and 2 years from now and 3 years from now and we'll see whose right, every single economic expert in the world or you?

Yes, because analysis of short term market trends always leads accurate prediction of the longer term effect of events 🙄

I'm feeling somewhat embarrassed to be British (English) this morning.

What a narrow minded, xenophobic, selfish and ignorant little jumped up nation we are.

Had the 5th largest economy, had.

Had when we were in the EU.

We're still in the EU.

every single economic expert in the world or you?

Markets love certainty and the status quo and that's why they have slumped. Especially, considering remain thought they had it in the bag.

Scot referendum is now null and void, whole thing was predicated on being in the EU.

spot on ninfan BUT the UK just signed up for a minimum of 2 years of complete uncertainty. Which would be all resonably assements mean very little international investment in that time. Most UK based and owned businesses will not be able to plan due to the uncertainty so that will impact on investment and stability.
On the plus side the currency has dropped so exporters will be happy
just a shame we import more
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Pushing up CPI/RPI/Inflation in the short to ----- term
Once it's all sorted out 2-5-10 Years? (Many interviewed today were not keen to go into any of this leave stuff too hastily) then the UK can certainly take it's place in the world and stride forward, somewhere around 2025.

I'm sure the UK will protect it's own workers though, just maybe not their jobs.

see martin mcguinness calling for a border poll too.

People of the uk, I wish you the best of luck with Ian Duncan Smith, David Osborne, Gove, Nigel Farrage and Boris Johnson. You guys voted the Tories in and now looks like out of the EU.
Please don't complain when money stops coming into your communities, mountain bike trails are no longer funded and the money previously meant for Europe will now be given to Bankers and tax cuts for the rich.
Thankfully, I left the uk before this unbelievably stupid decision was taken.

Ernie is correct. The arguments for and against are most certainly over. That we are unprepared for the next phase is a tad unfortunate, especially given the inauspicious start. But hey ho, short term noise and all that.

Time for our leaders to step up and show us what they are made of.......

....oh eck...looks around..."leaders"........

Scot referendum is now null and void, whole thing was predicated on being in the EU

No it wasn't

Schedule 5 section 7 paragraph one of the Scotland act specifically states that the issue of EU membership is entirely an issue reserved for UK parliament.

What the Scottish referendum [b]was[/b] predicated on, however, was that it would be a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime, event.

At least the sun is shining, the world still spins on its axis, my dogs are still pleased to see me.

Time for a run and to escape reality for an hour

I expect the arguing to be fuelled not only by the way the vote went, but by the fact certain people haven't been to bed since Wednesday night 😀

That and my minions are currently busy with the eraser in cornwall and exeter

Well Ben, you have legitimate reasons for another crack at independence now. Look on the bright side.

Can you wait until I'm sorted and over the boarder before you cast off? **** me, I guess in my heart of hearts the [s]British[/s] English & Welsh public would nause things up as they have an excellent track record for poor judgement but that was still a surprise.

It's going to be really interesting to see where we go from here. Very few of our current crop of politicians actually want this and those that did wouldn't be trusted looking after the stationary cupboard.

Desperate need for some leadership..Camerons a dead duck, Boris a nutjob, Corbyn uncompromising and no one on the horizon.
Sturgeons the only credible one, shame the weathers so grim or my bags would be packed.

What a narrow minded, xenophobic, selfish and ignorant little jumped up nation we are.

Amazing how no one in the leave campaign can give a real example of what will improve. They'll sit back expecting the politicians to follow through on a set of non existent promises.

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Sturgeons the only credible one

This situation calls for a Miliband.

No...not that one, the other one who kinda looks like matey out of Prison Break.

That's a shame you feel that way.

Most UK based and owned businesses will not be able to plan due to the uncertainty so that will impact on investment and stability.

Yes, and this will mean they won't sign off the kind of projects I work on, which puts my job under threat.

Control is an illusion.

Between currency and market losses I'm the value of a nice new car poorer this morning, and that despite going into the Brexit pound and equity light, and I don't even live in the UK. It doesn't matter to me, I doubt I'll spend it all before I die.

One in fourteen jobs in the UK is in financial services, check out the share prices of those companies if you want an idea of how much pain they are feeling this morning.

Scot referendum is now null and void, whole thing was predicated on being in the EU
No it wasn't

Schedule 5 section 7 paragraph one of the Scotland act specifically states that the issue of EU membership is entirely an issue reserved for UK parliament.

What the Scottish referendum was predicated on, however, was that it would be a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime, event.

yes it was: a state seceding from the union would not have been allowed into the old EU, so out would have been all out: what odds on that situation being reversed now?

So let's see what "taking back control" looks like.

(We're ****ed, aren't we 🙁 )

I await the results of the referendums in other member states !

@Flanagaj it's a myth no one saw 2008 coming, everyone in economics, banking and finance saw 2008 coming in 2007 - those institutions that could save themselves did and those who couldn't fell they can move with a few key strokes I seconds - but it was the public that suffered, the public didn't see it coming and what could they do if they did? You can't sell your job and buy a more secure one in a different country the same day.

The same thing is happening now the Asian market has seen the crash already and have abandoned us, London has seen it too and in 90 mins will abandon us, as will the Americans. They'll be out of the U.K. In minutes and yeah they might lose a bit, but that's life, for us the pain will last much longer.

interesting times, lets see just how far the Pound is going to tank and how high inflation will go?

And curious to see who politicians and media are going to blame now?

Time to send off for the Irish Passport.

I was heavily against Scottish independence, but if there was another referendum I would be voting to leave the English.

The leavers haven't voted for a stronger Britain, they have voted for the end of the UK.

Yup thats ****ed it. Will be considering options and putting plans in place over the next year or 2 to ensure we can raise our son somewhere tolerant that can give him the freedoms we evidently wish to give up.

Expect substantial brain drain from the uk from now on

I feel sick.

Everyone convinced me we were staying despite my fears. I should have done more to convince others not to believe the lie of the self promoting racists.

How do you get over the fact that the majority of people around you have ****ed you over?

interesting times, lets see just how far the Pound is going to tank and how high inflation will go?

Looks like I'll be sitting down to decide who is going to be one of the 4 people we'll be making redundant in about 3 hours time.

This sums up how exasperated I feel;

And this offers a warning of a deep change for Britain, a shift in how we are seen by the rest of the world. For decades, we were regarded as a great place to invest in, to move to or just to visit because we were the English-speaking gateway to the 27 nations of the European Union. We had a kind of best-of-both-worlds status, close to the US, close to the European continent.

That physical geography has not changed, but the psychological geography has. Suddenly it will make much less sense to headquarter a big international firm in London, or for a Japanese car-maker to locate a factory – one that aims to sell into Europe – in the north-east of England. Why do it, if you could be in Germany instead? Why come to post-Brexit Britain, where there could soon be the hassle of visas and tariffs and all the rest? Why bother?

I'm so unbelievably sad today. 😥

lets see just how far the Pound is going to tank and how high inflation will go?

90c/£1 by 1pm
14% on Monday
Place bets now!

Proper ****ed

The answer to every question now is "don't know"

Welcome to a world in the UK of a sexist, bigoted, misogenistic, uneducated, little England mentality, who now faces recession, unemployment, inflation and living under Boris.

I'm surprised that I find myself disliking 51.7% of the U.K. Population.

Well done Gurland.

guess we won't be winning euro-vision next year. 😥

I kept dreaming it was remain, and another part of my brain had to keep telling the dreaming part that I was still sleeping and had not checked the news yet. This woke me up.

Control is an illusion.

We shall see. But the truth, uncomfortable or otherwise, is that 52% of the population have voted for it.

So no time for tears and blaming others isn't going to help. We are in a new world, with uncharted waters ahead. Time to get on with it.

#takecontrol 😉

people of the uk had a chance to vote and voice their opinion .. what is the problem ? is it because some didnt vote the same as you?
Everyone had the same ballot paper as far as I could see.

The people have voted....so suck it up

the north-east of England

Well, they brought it amongst themselves yesterday.

For the first time I my adult life I'm genuinely worried enough about the family finances in Santander, working for a US Corp and how the cost of living is about to go. Having said that, it's beyond my control so il just have to ride the waves I guess.

Ps if anyone is heading to the Alps or anywhere else on hols abroad this summer, might I suggest you get down the post office ready for when it opens.

Looking at the demographic of the guardian website it's the poor, badly educated, provincial middle aged Middle Englander who voted this country out.
In a years time they will still be poor and badly educated and those hospitals will not have been built (was it one every 2 weeks?) and a hard working Eastern European will still be 'doing their job'. They only have themselves to blame.
'Making Britain great again'? LOL?

might I suggest you get down the post office [s]ready for when it opens[/s] yesterday.

I think I have some Euro's I can post...

Oh my ****ing Lord!

What have the morons gone and done?
That's it we're knackered for at least the next few years, and further? Who bloody knows...

Seriously, is savings in a European bank safe?

Ps if anyone is heading to the Alps or anywhere else on hols abroad this summer, might I suggest you get down the post office ready for when it opens.

It'll be too late by then. Buy it online now and hope they honour the transaction.

I hope the people at STW towers have drafted in some more hamster for today.

Yay! Democracy!

Everyone had the same vote as far as I could see.

That in essence is true. But the idea of democracy is that people vote from a position of knowledge, not ignorance.

I'm yet to see anyone on the Brexit side state what this will get better now we're due to leave. I can however see a lot of things getting worse, given that we are a nation that imports lots of things, and the pound is tanking. Worth remembering that most oil and gas is imported too, which means the cost of transporting and making the few things we do produce in this country will also increase.

One of the few tools a government has to increase the value of its currency is increasing interest rates. It's a pity then that the UK is pretty much at the highest levels of private debt it has been at for years.

Well the lunatics have well and truly then over the asylum.

I'm tired and scared. I genuinely fear for a terrible outcome from this vote.

Apparently Farage has come out and stated that the extra money for the NHS might have been a lie.....

Wonder how this is going to turn out when some people realise they have been shafted, again.

Who are politicians going to blame when Brussels isn't there anymore?

It's almost funny. Several mentions during the night of lack of pay rises over recent years being a motivator. What these idiots have done has given everyone a massive pay cut.

An hour until footsie time. Might I suggest anyone wanting to buy anything from outside the UK do it now?

Come Monday, and we'll be out of Europe again.

No more cheap schwalbes

An hour until footsie time. Might I suggest anyone wanting to buy anything from outside the UK do it now?

Remember people we have left Europe but just the EU. Nothing's says we will be closing borders and becoming isolated. I would put a very large amount on us not actually leaving the EU. We might by name but not in practice. There will be a new hybrid membership.

It's hardly a majority tho. Wouldn't be enough for one party to win an election.... so why's it enough for something arguably more important than an election?

Are those rubber dinghies turning around in the med? Are the camps in Calias been taken down? Are the Syrian refugees marching back home ? Are they ####! Farage and Boris .

In the 1930's the world started to lean to the right led by economic hard times, that didn't end well.

I seriously fear for the world. I feel sick.

There will be a new hybrid membership.

This was my theory.

It's my daughter's first birthday today. It's her I feel most sad for. She's far too young to realise what a ****ing disaster this is.

In the 1930's the world started to lean to the right led by economic hard times, that didn't end well.

How dare you compare Gove, BoJo (and Trump) with the funny little bloke with a moustache 🙄 😉

Who are politicians going to blame when Brussels isn't there anymore?

Immigrants silly!

But the idea of democracy is that people vote from a position of knowledge, not ignorance.

That's never been true from the times of Aristolte onwards.

So lets assess the carnage so far

S&P not hanging around - final AAA under threat
HSBC and Stan Char already down 10%
Lloyds expected to lose 1/5 to a 1/4 of its value this morning
Crap yields have fallen even further
Japs in emergency talk over Yen
EM currencies being mullered

Bongohooha - +1 😉

Ps if anyone is heading to the Alps or anywhere else on hols abroad this summer, might I suggest you get down the post office ready for when it opens.

Did this yesterday. And placed bet on brexit at 6/1.

But I'd swap it in a second.

Woody: that is my main hope, now.

Lots of people are going to be in for a nasty surprise when they find out that we're not going to be led into a golden utopia by Boris and Nigel.

Well, that's buggered up anything I was planning to import - that's okay, though, bike shops make loads of money...

Unknown - my feelings too, my son is one in a couple of weeks and i fear for his future.
Difference being that unlike a lot of those who voted to leave both myself and my wife have skills that can transfer worldwide. Only question is where to?

people of the uk had a chance to vote and voice their opinion .. what is the problem ?

The problem is that to make the best decision when you vote you have to understand the issues.

If I put it to a vote my kids would vote unanimously for crisps for breakfast. Would that be a good idea? It'd be democratic...?

Sounds delicious either way

her I feel most sad for. She's far too young to realise what a **** disaster this is.

This. So much this, giving the kids breakfast and I just feel some massive weight has been placed on their shoulders.

I'm a member of a few Facebook groups for various interests. Without exception it's the knuckle dragging morons with the Union Jack profile pictures posting victory messages telling about 'taking there country back'. Democracy may not be such a great idea after all.

I think we've all got to deal with the emotion first and let things settle. Chances are it won't be as bad as we're all fearing.

At least things are interesting now and have been shaken up. Even if it's not the result we wanted we have chance to say we told you so.

$350 billion wiped of the UK economy already (about 40 years worth of 'unaffordable' EU payments) buts it's only doom and gloom so it's okay. Stats show the old have sold the future they don't have to ease their unfounded fears.