[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

and quite how do you get the pound up?

interest rates upto 15% used to be the preferred method 😉 would make the BTL market very, well, competitive !

Ok....so are we at STW officially calling it, or do we see some kind of miracle occurring for Remain?

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can't see anyone pulling a million votes back, it's ****ed

This has happened because our leaders have failed to address the concerns and anxiety people have about immigration.

Which is bullshit.

We're not ****ed because of immigration. That's a convenient smoke screen. Do you want to know why we're ****ed?

We mortgaged ourselves up to the hilt then the banks lost everything. We told everyone they could be a graduate and we lost out on people with real skills. Our small mindedness destroyed any industry we had via unions and incompetence. We want the biggest TV at the cheapest price. We want a new car every three years. We have maxed out credit cards and two weeks in Marbella to show for it.

That's why we're ****ed. I'm beyond caring about the swear filter. You've been fed a lie and swallowed it hook line and sinker

can't see anyone pulling a million votes back, it's ****

I'll start making the signs then....

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Border vote in Ulster. Scotland referendum #2. Goodbye,UK.

Should I get all what I need in bike-discount.de now?

Great Britain!!!!

a snap general election would leave us in chaos and effectively leaderless

How's that? Calling a general election doesn't normally leave the UK in chaos and effectively leaderless.

And it tends to remove short term uncertainty.

Right...Wales. We need a word.

can't visit my mother for about 6 months as she'll be insufferable. Luckily i don't see my FIL very often but christmas will be depressing.

How's that? Calling a general election doesn't normally leave the UK in chaos and effectively leaderless.

The power of the media eh?

Can't wait to see how they're going to put the spin on the forthcoming crash that they've helped create.

It's funny, looking at that Guardian map you can see how he city areas want in and the countryside areas want out. As for Wales, it looks like the areas with high Government employed people voted in and he rest shouted out. Scotland was predictable.

Will be an interesting few days to say the least.

The majority party is split in 2, the opposition is about to pull out it's knives, UKIP is buyoant and the SNP only represents a small part of the population.

Sounds like it's time to call a snap general election and remove uncertainty then.

Stunning. A wonderful result for democracy. A rejection of a failed political project. The EU has had multiple opportunities to reform and it has rejected them.

Why am I not surprised that there is a lack of humility from many here ?

Now we have to make the bold move and trigger Article 50.

So. Scotland feels forced into something it doesn't want and will have another referendum. Then leave the UK. There'll be a border vote in Ulster. They will join the Republic. The UK will diminish to England and Wales, surrounded by former partners who now despise it. Then there's the social fabric of what's left. If the promised heaven on earth doesn't materialise (!) the resentment may be too much to hold it all together and "The Queen's Peace" might be a tad difficult to maintain...

Sounds like it's time to call a snap general election and remove uncertainty then.

@ernie_lynch

A General Election result removes uncertaincy, a 6 month election campaign on the other hand would have the opposite effect and the last thing we need right now - plus it would be more of a one-topic election than last time, the public will expect an return v stay out position from every party - Labour and the Tories can't both be in favour of return if 52% of the electorate just say out, so would labour stand on a platform of return when the most pro-Eu part of the U.K. Didnt vote for them last time?

"The Queen's Peace" might be a tad difficult to maintain...

And the leave idiots who aren't happy about unelected Brussels bureaucrats but Will happily roll out the bunting and wave a flag when someone in the royal family decides to roll their diamond encrusted horse and cart through the streets of London.

To quote Doug Stanhope

"At least black people knew they were slaves. You people are clueless"

Scotland deserve another referendum.

Farage will be insufferable.

Asked if trading on the FTSE 100 would have to be suspended to avoid a crash, he (Osborne) said: "We have of course discussed contingency plans but the sensible thing is to keep those secret."

Farage will be [b]even more[/b] insufferable.

Why am I not surprised that there is a lack of humility from many here ?

Because people are gutted when they fail achieve what they passionately believe in.

And to be fair until about 6 hrs ago the Remainers had every reason to believe that the Remain vote would win.

Your confidence was more based on simple wishful thinking.

Well the majority of you did what the Sun wanted you to do again. 🙁

Given the results in NI it looks like the United Kingdom will soon cease to exist. 8)

How does it feel waking up with no nose having bitten it off to spite your face. 😛

It feels shit, absolutely shit.

I live in a stupid country.

would labour stand on a platform of return when the most pro-Eu part of the U.K. Didnt vote for them last time?

Can't see why. I would have thought that it will be fairly easy for Corbyn and Mcdonnell to embrace the will of the British people. After all it coincides with their own personal views until less than a year ago.

Well, this is rather exciting isn't it?! 😀

I'd like to think that the great British public have at last seen through CMD and Gideon's veiled threats of the four horseman of apocalypse and decided enough is enough.

A step into the unknown, an uncertain existence - just how life is or needs to be! Feel the fear and do it anyway, except most of you on here who have spouted remain for the fear of change and to protect your safe little lives, with your interest only mortgages, credit card limits and reluctance to try anything different are now going to have to adapt to the new normal!

Anyway, every cloud and all that, at least there's a distinct possibility that CMD and Gideon, the two biggest c***s ever to grace Downing Street, will be frog marched away before the baying masses.

Plus I fear for my job, very seriously.

[b]Reformed[/b] Troll

Again...this seems very generous.

Anyway, every cloud and all that, at least there's a distinct possibility that CMD and Gideon, the two biggest c***s ever to grace Downing Street, will be frog marched away before the baying masses.

To be replaced by....? Gove? Boris?

Chapeau on that Ernie.

The turnout shows up some lessons about latent/disengaged voters for all parties.

Wow, that is disappointing (only just woken up)

When the Asians say, we live (or may you live) in interesting times it is not positive sentiment. We certainly live in interesting times here, across Europe and the US. And it looks rather unpleasant in my mind.

Hey ho, lets see what independence day looks like. Not a great start....deep breaths.....

( next job is buggered now 🙁 )

Feel the fear and do it anyway, except most of you on here who have spouted remain for the fear of change and to protect your safe little lives, with your interest only mortgages, credit card limits and reluctance to try anything different are now going to have to adapt to the new normal!

Not at all, we have said that we really like the things the EU gives the UK. We would prefer to have the benefits over the downsides and see membership of the EU as broardly positive. Along with that the leave campaign has not been able to give me any good reasons why the UK will be better outside the EU.

Using language like fear and little lives tells of a campaign that was light on fact and heavy on emotion. Nobody ever makes a good long term decision when emotions are high.

When the Asians say, we live (or may you live) in interesting times it is not positive sentiment..

But don't forget...

What company bothers their arse investing in the UK now? At least for two years and beyond. Why would any multinational hang around now in limbo? This country has just been knocked back 30+ years. Expect a flight of talent, a talent drought as the brightest and best choose not to come to the uk to work, study or teach, years of political in fighting, the breakup of the union, another long and protracted recession, even stronger nationalism.

But hey, it's all good. At least those nasty Brussels types won't be able to dictate what kind of bananas we eat...

Can't wait to see how they're going to put the spin on the forthcoming crash that they've helped create.

Some smoke and mirrors, another round of QE and everyone bar the rich get even more shafted.

It's Ok though, as long as everyone can borrow lots of money cheaply, house prices remain high and people are distracted by lots of cheap electrical gadgets made in china............oh wait

It's going to be pretty sad when the muppets who voted based on immigration realise that it was actually a load of complete bollocks.

@ slackalice

That is the most ignorant thing I have read on here, and that is saying something.

Well the majority of you did what the Sun wanted you to do again.

Interesting that, because the first niggling doubts that I had Remain would win was when I saw that the Sun was backing (very late in the game) Brexit.

Now I know the Sun has a history of throwing its weight behind whoever they think will win. So I knew they had done their research and were possibly onto something.

Also interesting is that while the Sun put their announcement of their support for Brexit on their front page they didn't for their Scottish edition - they knew what way the vote would go there. As I said, they like to be seen as backing the winners.

I did later dismiss their apparent assessment though.

The turnout shows up some lessons about latent/disengaged voters for all parties.

It certainly does.

to protect your safe little lives,

I would answer that, but I fear a lifetime banhammer.

DO have a nice day, there's a love.

As molgrips said above I now worry about my job. Work in the building industry and with all this uncertainty of what happens next are people going to sit on their money rather than spend it on their houses
Am shocked it's gone this way

**** you UK. 🙁 Utter ****ers.

to protect your safe little lives

Except everyone loses out of this. Only the richest and poorest at either end of the scale may escape the worst

I can't believe this. I'm in pieces, this is terrible terrible news. I feel my Children's future has been gambled on a vanity project for *****.

If Andy Burnham was at the top of the Labour Party he would have moved heaven and earth to mobilise their supporters instead of mumbling in a hat like the current stand in.

Well, folk in emerging markets (our new friends) are going to be a little pissed (at least in the short term) - Rand down 7%, Peso down 4% - and commodity prices looking weak.

JK Rowling spot on 🙁 a brace of broken unions 🙁

Extraordinary split between global politics and the people they serve is being laid very, very bare. Very "interesting"....

What now? We will be an independent country again but the future?

Considering leaving. Scotland or Scandinavia...

we really have had some bloody terrible prime ministers over the last 20 years. 🙄

Well it shoudl make my next trip back to the UK nice and cheap so long as I avoid anything imported.

If only I'd shifted my remaining money 12 hours ago. Oh well, I'm back for four months in a little while, I'll spend it then. Might single-handedly rescue the UK's economy with some Aussie dollars 🙂

The people have spoken; they have cried 'we're not particularly bright, but we are angry!'

We will be an independent country again but the future?

Wow, rejoice Hora, the UK will be free to invade who they want, change their taxes, piss about with disability benifits, screw with all those things...

Once the dust settles come back to us on how being independant feels

If only it was a hat he'd mumbled into

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We appear to have taken back control by cutting our own brake cables.

Remain felt fantastic, I won't argue about the creation of PFI, the attacks on public services under the past governments. 20% VAT, hasn't gone down to its old levels has it? Whilst in EU Dave planned wholesale academys.

But hey let's forget how bloody rosy it's all been.

On the bright side, weaker sterling represents a loosening of policy (albeit it in a disorderly fashion in the short term) which could (ultimately) be a positive?!?!?

and on that note it's time for a Beer. Perhaps I will feel as overjoyec and incoherent as Hora's last rejoicing with a hangover in the morning

Whilst in EU Dave planned wholesale academys.

And this has precisely what to do with the EU? ****'s sake...

@Hora I honestly think that unless Bojo can pull us back from the brink with a "new deal with the EU" as per his early promises we're looking at deep recession at the worse possible time, an independent Scotland, a return to 'the troubles' or a indepence vote in NI which will be bloody and 4-10 years of tough economy whilst it's all worked out.

Plus sides house market crash, but sadly fueled by lack of demand not increase in supply.

General Election in Sept, and UKIP becoming 3rd largest party by number of MPs

Leave voters

What's about to improve? Genuine question. Don't give me any nonsense about making our own decisions. What will a UK government do to improve life? Actual actions please, not just the ability to do them.

Short term pain economic gain!

The people have spoken and it's no surprise. The EU has shown zero appetite for reform and Junker's latest threat was most likely the nail in the coffin.

Believe and we will achieve!

Doesn't matter about the pound being in the shit as all the leavers only go to blackpool anyway 🙁
****

will we be going back to imperial measurements ? 😕

Well Ben, you have legitimate reasons for another crack at independence now. Look on the bright side.

Leave voters

What's about to improve? Genuine question. Don't give me any nonsense about making our own decisions. What will a UK government do to improve life? Actual actions please, not just the ability to do them.

The arguments for and against are over.

*dusts off birth certificates, emails french consulate*
Is it too late to register/apply for my 10 and 12 year olds?

Believe and we will achieve!

Jingoistic nonsense

Achieve what exactly? Actual examples. Not "it'll be better". Actual tangible examples. What exactly were you voting for?

Believe and we will achieve!

How the **** do you plan to make things better

The arguments for and against are over.

Not when I genuinely don't understand what this achieves

Well, **** my old boots - remain supporters continuing to predict doom, gloom and financial meltdown? Who would have guessed?

Keep going chaps, it's clearly worked so far! 😆

@flanagal

No seriously, short term pain, long term pain, followed by more pain.

In 20 years, when we're all making plastic dog shit for the Chinese market for £5 a day whilst choking on fumes we might see full (forced) employment - but this idea that Britain is somehow some economic powerhouse just waiting to be freed is nonsense.

What's about to improve? Genuine question. Don't give me any nonsense about making our own decisions. What will a UK government do to improve life? Actual actions please, not just the ability to do them.

We can get rid of all that bloody foreign owned manufacturing and replace them with proud British empty buildings.

The arguments for and against are over.

I would have thought that it will be fairly easy for Corbyn and Mcdonnell to embrace the will of the British people. After all it coincides with their own personal views until less than a year ago.

True enough, but the Labour rank and file didn't vote Brexit to reject neoliberal imperialism (or whatever). They just don't like darkies.

Yep. Feels like time to leave a doomed country.

I will find it difficult to forgive the idiots who brought us to this.

The key thing is that there needs to be a swift plan on taking Britain forward. Start negotiating the trade deals and let's move forward.

You can sit with your head in your hands OR you can believe that Britain as the 5th largest economy can prevail.

If you move back to France they can choose for themselves at 18, Julian.

Well, **** my old boots - remain supporters continuing to predict doom, gloom and financial meltdown

Aye, you're right

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR

Well Ben, you have legitimate reasons for another crack at independence now. Look on the bright side.

Yes, we'll get our independence - but I'm truly sad for the rest of you.