Those stupid little yellow faces again. I think I'm feeding you.
Of course not. There has been no precident and the treaty was not written with someone leaving in mind
There are four basic options plus a combination of each. The only unknown is what permutation we will end up with. We know the weaknesses of each off the shelf option hence we are attempting - not very well - to negotiate a new arrangement. Some might call it bespoke 😉
No-one that I know who voted out has a scooby do what it means.
More like, they didn't even care. It was all about "sovereignty" and sticking two fingers up to the corrupt meddling europeans.
Possibly THM mixes with a better class of brexiter.
I'm sure there were some who thought about it, but I haven't met any myself. To be fair, most of the remainers didn't look into it too deeply either, but at least they didn't vote to **** up the social, political, economic, legal and economic structure of the country on a whim.
Put [b]the final deal vs continued membership[/b] to the voters then, in some form.
We’ve done the continued membership
We lost that one
mefty - MemberWould be surprised
Be surprised. It’s a service I offer.
Trust me after 25 years of doing it, I have some idea what I’m talking about.
And yes you are correct on standard practice - however the point is that if there is standard practice there is also non-standard practice. I find it quite funny when I meet folk from a financing background and we explain how it works, they say no it doesn’t and they won’t do a deal with us on that basis, and we say fine but you might want to take some advice.
Trying googling common connections charging methodology for more surprises.
However the thing to note is just because you paid for something doesn’t mean you own it.
More like, they didn't even care. It was all about "sovereignty" and sticking two fingers up to the corrupt meddling europeans.
There’s a lot of truth in that. Like the Scottish GNats there are many who simply said bugger the economic consequences - there’s more to life than economics after all - we simply don’t want to be members of the EU. In one case that argument was praised, in the other it is vilified. How odd.
Brave, worthy Scots or thicko Brexshiteers!!!
Well THM, I don’t really like nationalism even when it is the finest nationalism in the world (unless it’s on the rugby field - we almost had the Kiwis)
Stop it with this[i] "thickos" [/i]nonsense. [b]No one [/b]knows what the exit and trade deals will be. At the last referendum [b]no one[/b] voted with the knowledge of the relationship that would replace membership.
No-one that I know who voted out has a scooby do what it means.
My brexiter bud actually mentioned this weekend what was the point on going on with it as he/they weren’t getting what they wanted.
Importantly, why must they be forced to accept a deal they don't want?
teamhurtmore - Member
More like, they didn't even care. It was all about "sovereignty" and sticking two fingers up to the corrupt meddling europeans.
There’s a lot of truth in that. Like the Scottish GNats there are many who simply said bugger the economic consequences - there’s more to life than economics after all - we simply don’t want to be members of the EU. In one case that argument was praised, in the other it is vilified. How odd.Brave, worthy Scots or thicko Brexshiteers!!
You still peddling that line, 62% of scots voting for the EU tells you what nonsense you speak. An IS would be in the EU.
An outward looking IS is entirely different from inward looking brexit. No matter how many times you try to conflate them.
Given brexit, you could even say how we viewed politics in England in 2014 and where it was going is entirely vindicated.
Joe, I fear that you are mixing up the votes. ( edit noted though 😉 )
Kelvin, it's not me using the thcko argument. Go back a few pages and you see the reall culprits in all their glory.
Yup - THMs bias shines thru - along with his complete ignorance of scots politics
teamhurtmore - Member
Joe, I fear that you are mixing up the votes.
how so?
I see the electoral commision is once again reopening the investigation into Vote Leave, Veterans for Britain, and former fashion student darren grimes who was given £625,000 by vote Leave.
Most of which was spent on Canadian data consultants AggregateIQ, a subsidiary of Cambridge Analytica.
TJ that would be a staggering coincidence
I think THM May be referring to the stats that suggest better educated folk on average are less likely to vote for Brexit.
While this is true, perhaps we (he?) shouldn’t refer to the less well educated as thickos.
And my apologies if I have. I can get a little ranty on occasion.
On the contrary Igm, it's the remoaners on here that play the thicko card - they were too thick to understand, to thick to be allowed to have a say, too thick to realise they were being lied to etc. All rather - what's the word - patronising and sneering don't you think.
In a democracy everyone's say is equal. That's how it works unless you are undemocratic and don't like the result of course, Even those force fed a diet of WoS and who didn't understand the basics of how currencies work were still allowed to have their say after all....
Joe, since you have edited your whole comment, it's not worth pursuing. 😉
point wasn't that different, just expanded on the original! 😆
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That NL News sites pretty cool
In a democracy everyone's say is equal. That's how it works unless you are undemocratic and don't like the result of course,
And there was me thinking this was a representative democracy.
If you say so 😀 but let’s not forget that both the gNtas and the Brexshiteers were both willing to jeopardise their relationships with their most important partners in favour of a vain search for control and new relationships with a wider (imaginery?) world!
(Fun to chat anyway, can't remember but you were getting q agitated with someone on another thread recently ??)
True EB and we have had both a referendum and the opportunity for our representatives to vote. The latter IIRC was more defitnitve than the former. Both major parties in our representative government have pledged to honour the result of the referendum and at least one of them is led by a person of conviction after all.
dudeofdoom - MemberThat NL News sites pretty cool
Thats my big sisters website that is - keep on clicking 🙂
who me?teamhurtmore - Member
If you say so(Fun to chat anyway, can't remember but you were getting q agitated with someone on another thread recently ??)
Paris 8) 🙂 😀 😛
Yes I was giggling reading it. 😉
Could have been animal or Zim - can’t remember. Too close to latter so largely kept out of that one! (But smiled at mefty copping it after posting some relevant facts!!)
In a democracy everyone's say is equal.
Now THM, please don’t take this the wrong way, and I won’t use this type of language often, but that’s really quite cute that sort of statement. I mean total fluffy kittens cute.
Sadly I’ve lost that sort of innocence and I’m entirely more sceptical (I try not to be cynical) these days.
I’d have put you in the same jaded bin as me - but clearly not.
You're talking in riddles again, thm. 😆
PS looks like you've succesfully avoid my point. 😉
they were too thick to understand, to thick to be allowed to have a say, too thick to realise they were being lied to etc. All rather - what's the word - patronising and sneering don't you think.
Not too thick - but not well enough informed. And you yourself admitted this a few days ago.
So what's your point? We should follow the wishes of people who don't understand the topic? How does that make sense?
In a democracy everyone's say is equal. That's how it works
Not here it doesn't.
Just can’t remember the thread that’s all
😀 to you too (sorry kelvin)
That’s how democracy works mol. As I said we didn’t disqualify tWoS readers before so we can hardly do the same to the Wail and express readers can we?
Blimey half our politicians don’t understand the issues either
MOlgrips -not just well enough informed but actively lied to - and 80% of the press is vehemently anti EU because the owners hate the EU.
That’s how democracy works mol.
Right, but is this a good thing or a bad one?
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The leaked letter to the PM, which somehow made it to the pages of the rabidly pro-Brexit Daily Heil and in no way implicates Sarah Vine and her cabinet minister husband, Michael Gove is very clear about the need to impose party discipline on the Chancellor.
Incidentally, does anyone else think that's why the press have been encouraged to take his [i]"There are no unemployed people"[/i] quote completely out of context?
I have no particular love for the man, but it was very clear what he meant in context (i.e. that there wasn't a mass flood of unemployed shorthand typists)
Of course Graham.
It all has to be seen in the light of the rabidly anti EU press. Owned by non UK taxpayers who hate the EU for 2 main resons 1) for trying to shine a light into their murky world and 2) for having the audacity to protect workers rights.
these "newspapers" have waged a 20 year propaganda campaign against the EU, the BBC and ITV news have to report the anti EU stories as they take their " impartiality" from a midpoint of the papers
The "Big lie" technique
Unless you are Aristotle (bad) or a remoaner (bad) it’s neither good nor bad. It is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less mol
There were no/few calls pre the referendum for a minimum level of understanding were there although I was one of the few who argued that it was a bad idea from the start
I resented having to vote in a needless referendum and felt it should never have been called.
Nothing I’ve seen since has changed my view much.
Unless you are Aristotle (bad) or a remoaner (bad) it’s neither good nor bad. It is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less mol
What a bizarre thing to say.
Given that in the same post you re-state your opinion that it is bad (of which I was aware) I would like to know what you mean.
Things that 'are' can be bad things. We need to discuss what's happened and determine if and why it's bad, and either learn from it or do what we can to make it better. I'm sure you agree with this too. So I wonder where you're going with that thought.
Of course you need to plan for it, it's your job, but the discussion can continue at the same time as planning for the future.
If you are suggesting that it is futile to continue discussing it, well I disagree. There is still a lot to play for, and that will happen through discussions and arguments like this one.
but let’s not forget that both the gNtas and the Brexshiteers were both willing to jeopardise their relationships with their most important partners in favour of a vain search for control and new relationships with a wider (imaginery?) world!
I missed that addition. You forget the Scottish aspiration is to be in the EU, there's some debate there, I believe it's a forgone conclusion, you refuse to accept the obvious that we'd be accepted eventually at worst.
Difference is, since Scotland would be in the EU, either automatically, or in pretty short order, then England couldn't lock Scotland out of the English market.
Evidence? see Irelands veto on the brexit negotiations.
not well enough informed.
No one is. No one yet knows what arrangements will replace our membership of the EU.
If you are suggesting that it is futile to continue discussing it, well I disagree
The narrative that most of the country currently accepts is that everything is settled.. Thiose of us that think that mistakes can and should be pointed out, need to keep doing so. At some point, all that'll be left is the feeling that so much is invested in Brexit that is must happen, no matter what form it takes, no matter how many people think the form is worse than what was rejected in the referendum. When that happens, it'll be even more necessary for people to not be afraid of speaking up, and either pushing for a closer relationship with, or membership off, the EU.
There is still a lot to play for, and that will happen through discussions and arguments like this one.
Everything to play for. May's redlines are not the country's redlines, she will not be PM forever, and she has no mandate for the way she is attempting to form a new relationship with the EU. A delayed exit, negotiated by a different government, is still very likely.
Not leaving at all is very unlikely, and keeping that option open on our side a near impossible task. Shutting up about it only makes it even less possible though.
seosamh77
I think they could have done if iS was in the EU and rUK out - but it would have been economic suicide for rUK as well as without the oil the economics look much much worse for rUK and iS would have been partially insulated by being in the EU
@Edukator; surprised that it came down to drawing lots between Paris & Dublin.
More surprised that Frankfurt were eliminated early on.
Had it been Dublin I think there would have been more than a little gloating by Varadkhar.
