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Corbyn's body language says it all in that picture. He wants to be our leader? He's going to have to learn to talk to people who don't share his view...
Not that I like Nancy Pelosi that much, her world view has more logical inconsistencies than May. She strikes me as a fairly nasty American exceptionalist....whilst I agree with Israel's right to exist, she has been putting pressure on Ireland for some of their pro-palestinian legislation and at the same time lecturing us about the GFA. She's a careerist and not a nice one to boot, who is trying to please both the democratic Irish and Israeli lobby. Hopefully the Irish and the British realise that the yanks are no friends of either of us, despite their incessant harking on about being of Irish/Scottish/English/Italian stock etc.
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Corbyn’s body language says it all in that picture.
Is there any chance we could stop trying to read body language from a single picture? It's Ed Miliband's sandwich all over again. Except in this case, he just seems to be... sitting?
Here's another picture in which Pelosi looks like she's being told off in the headteacher's office.
Is there any chance we could stop trying to read body language from a single picture? It’s Ed Miliband’s sandwich all over again. Except in this case, he just seems to be… listening.
Very good point actually...
There's the also the case of the Muslim woman who was photographed 'notulantly' walking past the wounded on the Westminster bridge van attack on her phone.
Turned out she was actively helping the emergency services, but it's surprising how the right wing press can take and publish a picture that looks bad when you have a digital camera taking hundreds of burst shots and you can chose one that suits your narrative.
A picture no longer says a hundred words it just says one.
Agreed about that. The whole "look at what this carefully chosen photo says" is always a bum steer.
Interesting how a discussion about "anti-semitism and Islamophobia" alway gets turned into a more vague agreement about "racism" more generally. Even when that discussion is with a Jewish politician being quite specific.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1117535823346524162?s=21
Interesting how a direct challenge about “anti-semitism” alway gets turned into Agreement about “racism” more generally. Even when that challenge is from a Jewish politician.
Yeah, it's one of those blah blah blah DONT YOU KNOW WHAT CORBYN STANDS FOR! moments
Hey some of us are pro peace in the middle east which involves not being a complete dick to other people.
I edited my post to replace "challenge" with "discussion" … but then you quoted my pre-edit words … so I'm now fully expecting to be "challenged" by true believers on my original choice of words, and that's too much effort right now.
Sorry Kelvin just getting in too early, it is like some people are just keeping it ready to bring in at any moment...
Just listening in a ’I'm listening to the words but could not give 2 ****s sort of way?
At least Pelosi meet with the erg and gave that **** Francois a good shoeing over the gfa anyway, according to reports.
Has everyone just given up on this now and we're pretending it never happened?
Hollibobs for em innit, and the cans been kicked further up the road.
We left. On the 12th. Remember? It was on the news. Keep telling the brexiteers that. They'll believe it and we can get on with our lives.
Seriously though, hopefully having a bit of a break from it dominating the news will mean there is less of a push to just get on with it whatever the consequence
A good idea of what a UK - US trade deal would look;
Anyone thinking of voting for Mike Gapes and co should probably have a read of this first 😀
Tinge will be forgotten this time next year.
I was wondering whether they are centre centre right or right centre left.
What is the point of that McDuff beer article? It takes a logo being rejected for using a hashtag (small bit of boring news even to political anoraks) and then goes off on an empty headed tirad against the new party. I'm not planing on voting for them, and they may not be around for long… but that journalist is an utter waste of column inches.
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I was wondering whether they are centre centre right or right centre left.
So are they.
It is just an opinion piece. Although quite why daz thinks this would alter anyone's attitude to voting for them is a question only he can answer.
This may have already been posted, and I am sure it just confirms what many already know. But strange that this is still being ignored by both main parties leadership, even when it is clearly known about.
Looks like the less Brexity members of the labour party are getting pretty exasperated with Jezza's nonchalant Brexit-enabling.
Tom Watson - Labour can’t defeat Nigel Farage by sitting on the fence
My feelings have been that a lot of people voted to leave, they didn't know how they were leaving but their vote should be respected.
That video above shows that no respect whatsoever is due to the referendum result. Respecting the result is an assault on democracy.
Tear up article 50 and tell the leave puppet masters to **** off.
My Remain resolve is strengthened even more.
Tom Watson looks like the man for the job. I don't care about his dodgy past. We can worry about that at our leisure once we are back in the E.U.
Waht Toxic Grandaa was actually saying in that photo was
" Look , if you want to have a meeting with 14 people round a table, can we please be provided with a table that seats 14 , not 10."
Although quite why daz thinks this would alter anyone’s attitude to voting for them
Because deapite it’s ranty style it speaks a simple truth that despite their name, they plan to change very little, have no original ideas and lack the competence which they claim is absent from the two main parties they seek to defeat. It beggars belief that people might be taken in by this vacuous rubbish.
Well, the replacement logo is even worse. I know we're not looking to elect designers… but they must have someone who understands messaging. It doesn't fill you with confidence, does it… but then, look at past logo fun… a red rose that turned off non-English voters… a green tree that morphed into a Union Jack when green issues were dumped with great haste… a child on board window hanger… a vague bird… can anyone point us to a good (UK) one?
Boris Johnson's sister is standing for the Tiggers. With Rees Moggs sister standing for Farages Brexit lot, all it really does is stress even more - like we needed reminding - that politics in this country is pretty much a closed shop, which is the exclusive domain of the 'born to rule' entitled elite
Did Johnson's dad get on the list for the Tories? He said he was putting himself forward.
I have to agree on the remain vote splitting that is going on with the EU elections. It's seems real lack of understanding of basic arithmetic.
eu elections are list PR elections. splitting of the vote does not occur in the same way as with FPTP. one party with 40% of the vote will get the same seats as two parties with 20% each.
Yes its a bit more complex than that but with the voting system in place for euyro elections then thisa effect does not happen. IIRC thresholds for representaton in euro elections is under 10% of the vote
So long as you remember to put the tories in last place!
Did Johnson’s dad get on the list for the Tories?
I think he failed. One Johnson was enough. Maybe he should have gone for Labour or the Lib Dems instead. Let them benefit from this great family.
One Johnson was enough.
And Boris & Jo's sister Rachel is also campaigning: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/23/change-uk-independent-group-launches-european-election-campaign-brexit
all it really does is stress even more – like we needed reminding – that politics in this country is pretty much a closed shop
Don't be silly.
Go and live in Saudi Arabia for a bit, you might learn what a closed shop really is all about.
There us a massive amount of nepotism in UK politics, whether the oxbridge eating clubs on one side, or having worked for the same law firms on the other. But if you want to pretend otherwise and shout "look a Saudi squirrel" go ahead and ignore the problem.
COMPARE THE NUMBER OF ETON AND OXBRIDGE mpS TO THE GENERAL POPULATION. GOING TO THE RIGHT SCHOOLS AND BEING IN THE RIGHT UNI SOCIETIES PLAYS A HUGE PART IN BECOMING AND mp - ESPECIALLY FOR THE TORIES AND LIB DEMS
effing capslock -sorry
Go and live in Saudi Arabia for a bit, you might learn what a closed shop really is all about.
Rarely post here but just feel the need to say this post is particularly stupid.
Beautifully formatted text and a lump hammer name in one ill-conceived logo.
Think they've got an identity crisis too.
At least UKIP had a pound sign even if it was two of the most awful colours ever put together.
Terrible logo, black and white.
Also looks like a non functioning bar code.
Polarising with no substance, much like thier members I suppose, so not entirely inaccurate.
I wonder how much they payed some trendy design company to come up with that.
Graphics might be rubbish but at least they're pro-EU rather than the labour party.
I guess they're Black Flag fans.
They may be pro EU, along with the greens and LD's
But by failing to join forces, for a unified position in the EU elections, they are basically guaranteeing the EDL/UKIP/brexit will gain more MEPS and they'll only get a scatter of votes each.
Same old crap. Same old 'party before best interest'.
Anyone heard how the Tories and Labour "joining forces" has progressed today? Talks were supposed to resume, but I've heard nothing.
Farage's Brexit Party is strategically miles ahead of any of the remain groups, candidates a major break from his UKIP past.
Anyone heard how the Tories and Labour “joining forces” has progressed today? Talks were supposed to resume, but I’ve heard nothing.
I read an article that was basically ground hog day.
Tories saying Labour being difficult whilst not budging.. Same shit different day.
Credit where it's due, UKIP always had the best colour branding. Vote purple.
Black is a shit choice for Change but really, what else was left? The Austin Allegro's Russet Brown?
Maybe Change should have just called themselves EUkip , stole the logo and hoovered up all the ****wits who can’t read.
Farage’s Brexit Party is strategically miles ahead
Given the criminal behaviour of Leave.EU last time around, lets hope it's being carefully watched.
To be fair to them, they know their target demographic
https://twitter.com/mrmarksteel/status/1120937785790226432?s=21
They may be pro EU, along with the greens and LD’s
But by failing to join forces, for a unified position in the EU elections, they are basically guaranteeing the EDL/UKIP/brexit will gain more MEPS and they’ll only get a scatter of votes each.
This is not true unless they get below the representation threshold which I very much doubt. all that will happen is you get the same number of MPS pro and anti but they are split between different parties.
Euro elections are PR. You get representation according to the number of votes. Its not FPTP take all
Euro elections are PR. You get representation according to the number of votes.
It's not that simple in the D'Hondt system. If the minority party voting is split, and comes in under a certain percentage, they get nothing.
https://infacts.org/eu-elections-offer-real-opportunity-if-played-well/
I see Trump will be in town to sign the Trump Treaty. Mike Ashley has been secretly funded by the CIA to buy up all the businesses that are going bust so that they can be turned into gun shops. Have you seen how knife crime has suddenly spiralled out of control? All perpetrated by the CIA so that us proud patriots will want to buy US guns to protect ourselves.Farage and Mogg have already bought massive shares in Colt.
Buckingham Palace is going to be renamed Trumpington Palace ,the queen kicked out and it turned into a casino.
South of the M25 will become the 51st state, above that to Scotland is Islamshire where all the U.S undesireables will be housed and tortured . Scotland will become trump's personal estate .
UK soccer will have the offside rule removed as none of god's patriots can understand it.
The BBC will have to have 30 minutes of adverts every hour.
Unemployed people will be shipped to the US to be butler's for republican voters.
Please share these facts on Facebook.
yes Torso - there is a theshold but its fairly low. IIRC about 6%
One important consequence of the d’Hondt system is that any party with too few votes goes away empty handed, winning no MEPs in that region. The minimum number of votes to get an MEP in a region depends largely on how many are up for election. In the last elections in 2014, 8% secured an MEP in the South East where 10 MEPs were chosen, but 18% was needed to get one in the North East where only three were elected.
Higher theshold than I remember
Of course this splitting of the vote is also on the leave side with 3 leave parties ( ukip. brexit, tory)
Of course this splitting of the vote is also on the leave side with 3 leave parties ( ukip. brexit, tory)
And Labour.
And Labour.
I still think we're hearing nowt out of the Tory's or Labour on Brexit as they're presently engineering getting a barely altered 'Mays Deal' through so that the EU elections never happen. Which is the one thing that unites them both, for pretty obvious reasons
The leaders of both parties want Brexit and when push comes to shove they'll deliver it. Maybe there will be a nod to some kind of customs union, but I think Magic Grandad will ultimately go along with anything that will enable Brexit and whip his MPs to do the same. Or attempt to, at least. He's done so at every critical stage so far
If you're in any doubt about labours commitment to Brexit, the labour housing spokesman is presently on Five Live re-stating, in no uncertain terms, labours determination to end freedom of movement. Apparently, all the present EU construction workers are immediately going to be replaced by young locally-recruited apprentices
Give it a rest chaps. Labour is NOT a brexit party. Its a badly split party but the weight is on remain as you well know.
Mays Deal - again as you well know is only the withdrawal agreement not the final shape of our relationship with the EU - and Labour have very cleverly positioned themselves so that the talks with the tories will collapse and the tories can be blamed.
Labour is NOT a brexit party. Its a badly split party but the weight is on remain as you well know.
A vote for Labour was/is/will be a vote for "respecting the result of the referendum" - Brexit.
The leadership, such as they are, are all life-long committed Brexiteers. We've been over this countless times, but at every single critical vote Corbyn has whipped his MPs to facilitate Brexit
"We are NOT a remain party"
Barry Gardiner
It's very different for your region TJ, but sadly, for most of us, we'll probably get Brexit Party, Tory & Labour MEPs… and no ChangeUK or Green MEPs, because of the thresholds. The parties most likely to join the "top" three and sneak seats are the LibDems & UKIP… but if ChangeUK & Greens do better than currently expected, then it could just result in no LibDem MEPs. Messy.
Edit (useful analysis) : https://ig.ft.com/european-parliament-election-polls/
England FT seat projection (17/04/19):
Lab 26
Cons 16
Brexit 12
LibDems 5
UKIP 1
ChangeUK 0
Greens 0
No it is not.
French press are reporting Farage doing well in polls.
Labour need to choose quickly or will be decimated.
Yes it WAS- but it is not as Binners characterises it nor is that immutable or cast in stone - there is a very large majority in the party for remain / second ref.
Labour had to go into the last election with "respect the vote" however unlike the tories there is a jhuge majority in the party for remain and as policy develops its moving further and further away from this
As for not wanting the eu elections - just sheer drivel.
but at every single critical vote Corbyn has whipped his MPs to facilitate Brexit
Bullshit - sheer nonsense.
Labour is NOT a brexit party.
Agreed. But while "the party" allows Corbyn, Milne & Murray to keep control, then it will get the Brexit that those life long anti-EU campaigners want. A vote for Labour is a vote of support for that leadership, no matter how strong the current (and possible new) Labour MEPs are on this.
sheer nonsense
You are correct. Some key whipping decisions were to abstain, rather than actively support. Much the same result though.
there is a very large majority in the party for remain / second ref.
And Corbyn obviously cares what they all think, right? He whipped them to vote to trigger article 50, against remaining in the customs union, then against remaining in the single market.
Less a cunning plan, more just nodding through the Brexit he's always wanted
So Binners - Starmer is a hard brexiteer is he? Watson? or are they not apart of the leadership?
Both regularly ignored. He didn't even take them into his cross-party talks with May. He took Seamus Milne instead. A rabid Brexiteer
And his cabal have spent the last 12 months trying to get Watson deselected
Corbyn talks about democracy, but all his actions ignore everyone else's opinions other than those in his inner sanctum. And they're all Brexiteers
+1 Binners.
Judge a man by his actions - or in Corbyn’s case his inactions too.
but at every single critical vote Corbyn has whipped his MPs to facilitate Brexit
Sorry you are going to have to help me out here since I am sure its me getting it wrong and you not making up bollocks but how on earth was the whipping for the indicative votes (for example) aiming to facilitate brexit.
Barry Gardiner
and yet others disagree. I am not sure why you are deifying Barry?
He didn’t even take them into his cross-party talks with May
The current members of the cross party talks Labour team are Starmer, McDonnell, Long-Bailey and Hayman.
Why are you so adverse to the truth?
Indeed disonance
And his cabal have spent the last 12 months trying to get Watson deselected
also bullshine.
Both regularly ignored. He didn’t even take them into his cross-party talks with May.
Pretty sure Starmer has been in the talks.
dge a man by his actions – or in Corbyn’s case his inactions too.
Don't judge a man by what you read about him in the media...
I judge a man by the way he’s led his party..
Holding together a badly split party? Increasing membership enormously?
Badly split by his leadership....
If you vote Labour then you're voting for a party whose leadership is fully committed to Brexit
If you can't see that, then you're delusional
Plenty of us (former labour voters) can see that and will be switching our vote accordingly. Hence I can see an 11th-hour stitch up to get a Brexit deal through before the deadline for EU elections is reached
Wait, Corbyn caused the split over Brexit? Don't be silly.
Rightly or wrongly, those in favour of Brexit have a couple of clear choices of party to vote for, with UKIP and Farage. Those in favour of Remain have a couple of choices, not likely to be as successful. Why would any Remain-inclined voter vote for Labour when their policy is so muddied and unclear? This is the danger of trying to walk a middle ground. Labour can only hope there is no need for these EU elections at all.
In other news, relating to the splitting of the remain vote...
https://www.renewparty.org.uk/press_releases