I'm delighted to hear (2nd hand) that Johnson has finally worked out what the RoI position is, and why. At least, he has admitted that he didn't understand it previously.
Bodes well for the success of our "negotiations", doesn't it...maybe the cabinet will now start to think about the problems seriously? No, I didn't think so....
ZOMG I've just realised.THM is on the government negotiating team !!!!
It would make sense. Well, more sense than his postings...
deadlydarcy - Member
kimbers, if you’re reading this...am I wrong or do you work in gene-related stuff
Yes I do, genetics of leave vs remain?
Is there a Brexit gene?
I was just wondering when you guys had engineered the removal of the self-awareness gene...I’d surely have read about it wouldn’t I?
It explains the sneering,superciliousness,refusal to explain anything,constant assurances all is well,he is David Davies using a nom de plume.Sorry,that's a false name (for Brexiters).
We are not worthy,we are not worthy.
Captain, sorry for my ignorance, what is the Rol position? And where/ when did Boris admit he didn't know what it was? ( sorry if it was explained earlier in the thread, but I'm not trawling back through a couple of thousand posts to find it)!
ROI position is that the good friday agreement must be honoured and there must be no hard border at the NI / ROI border
Problem is that the EU requires a hard border at all its external borders.
Its impossible to solve ( well apart from having the hard border in the irish sea which would give the DUP apoplexy
Aaah, Republic of Ireland, sorry, I'll just sit at the back!
At what point are the Zimbabwean army are going to roll down Whitehall to restore order here. I wonder whether the UK army is leave or remain (having just re-watched A Very British Coup on All4).
Augustus, twitter tells me boris embarrassed himself on sky though I haven't seen it myself.
https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/931495871476391938
The guy (boris) is beyond stupidity and incompetence.
Now I'm no expert on the political and violent issues that have occurred between Ireland and the UK, but I've a fairly broad understanding growing up in the 80's....
It's. His. Job. To. Know. These. Things. In. Intimate. Detail.
And he's paid very handsomely for it.
I've just realised.THM is on the government negotiating team !!!!
I know who [s]s[/s]he is [b]Th[/b]eresa [b]M[/b]ay. Just saying
Yes I do, genetics of leave vs remain?Is there a Brexit gene?
Nature v Nuture, looking at the correlation between outlook and voting patterns, golliwog isn't racist, no climate change etc...
Anyway, more positive news, if Faisal Islam is to be believed(some?) Pharma have now decided to go with the hard brexit scenario and do what is needed to comply with EU regs.
Do have to wonder what the news will be like by March, it takes time to move, to set up orgs. How is the development of the new UK-"EMA" going? or how about the new UK-"EUROTOM", the negotiations for a new open skies agreement etc.
Pharma have now decided to go with the hard brexit scenario and do what is needed to comply with EU regs.
Pharma have been warning for a while that they needed clarity soon, drug development is a long game
Well it's going to be a very rough road before we get anywhere, the pm of Ireland has issued an ultimatum over the border conundrum, the EU have said the same with the additional demands of financial settlement agreements by mid December before trade negotiations can begin.
Oh and I almost forgot the government has been ordered to release the the industry impact studies during that time too. Just how how censored they will be, I'm not sure, but if they are it will be very obvious and that will kick up another stink to join all the other stinks that are hanging in the air.
There really are not words in the English language that correctly convey this level of absurdity.
If this is Dantes inferno, the historians got it wrong, there's a tenth circle, brexit.
Oh and I almost forgot the government has been ordered to release the the industry impact studies during that time too.
Actually they were ordered to release them a couple of weeks ago, after a legally binding vote, but they suddenly discovered it was a misunderstanding and they didn't actually exist, so they were conveniently unable to publish them before the Brexit debates in parliament. Handy that.
I've yet to experience a Gov who quite such a shower of shite as the current incumbents.....
mrlebowski - Member
I've yet to experience a Gov who quite such a shower of shite as the current incumbents.....
Just wait for the next lot
Pharma is about to pull the trigger on 100's of millions of pounds to ensure continuity of drug supply in the uk and eu due to the uk becoming a third country and not able to release drugs into the bloc without in bloc testing, the brexies have no idea just him much this will affect uk access to new drugs simply as the eu will be priority for new drug filings as it is a bigger market.
I'm working on setting up a new lab somewhere in the eu as it's gotta be better than here
sitting here just noticed on the back of my iPhone a CE mark....
There used to be BS standards and in construction many have long gone replaced by Eurocodes.
So in the brave new world what happens, will all products have to carry kite marks, would producers bother? Or maybe we will just carry on with the CE marks and have no say in their development?
Remember Johnson when being briefed by the permanent civil service on hearing things he didn't like stuck his fingers in his ears and sang the national anthem. this is how we have got to where we are. I have been a political geek for 40+ years. Ihave never seen anything like it. Worse than the last day so Major, Worse than Callaghan. The combination of ignorance and hubris spiced with delusion is breathtaking
I [i]think[/i] it's the same answer as all the other stuff mrmo.
The UK will spend a bunch of money setting up its own parallel organisation that will mirror what the EU does.
Imported products will have to meet our standards and exported products to the EU will have to meet CE standards. In practise this probably means the UK organisation will accept CE certification as equivalent, so UK manufacturers (who go beyond the domestic market) will still manufacture to CE standards - except we won't have any say in those standards.
That world suck for scientific/ medical aid as UK was/is a major driver in shaping those regs
Remember Johnson when being briefed by the permanent civil service on hearing things he didn't like stuck his fingers in his ears and sang the national anthem. this is how we have got to where we are. I have been a political geek for 40+ years. Ihave never seen anything like it. Worse than the last day so Major, Worse than Callaghan. The combination of ignorance and hubris spiced with delusion is breathtaking
We are about to crash out and negotiate WTO agreements which are hideously crap, take decades if we are lucky.. with a massively tarnished reputation of broken promises and contracts so we'll be subjected to expensive deals.
What could possibly be worse than this for the UK?
This taking back control thing...
Really seems to be going well....
We could have a military coup?
Although with the funding cuts it wouldn't last long.
The UK has, over a few decades', been hollowed-out and the effects are now all too visible.
No clear manufacturing and industrial strategy; over-reliance on 'services' which, by their very nature, can be moved relatively easily; underfunded education system; NHS poorly led; armed forces which have been subjected to death by a thousand (budgetary) cuts.
A government of intellectual midgets - and the labour party is little, if any, better.
All of this would have been deeply concerning in isolation but we now have the shambles that is Brexit dumped on top.
Any fool can trot out optimistic statements and repeat ad nauseam in the hope that listeners will believe - see May, Davies, Johnson etc for example.
I have said since last June that the EU would hand out something of a lesson to the UK in the negotiations - that was clear - but it is painful and embarassing to see the UK team's incompetence.
In a sense it's good to see May and co being slapped down by the EU team as it might help some of brexiteers to understand that the vision of future benefits which they were seduced by was nothing but a mirage; a hard lesson in economic reality is on the way. Possibly a growing anti-brexit movement? Who knows.
As an aside, Norway now has the most valuable sovereign wealth fund in the world - built on it's north sea oil revenues; UK doesn't have a sovereign wealth fund despite having had substantial revenues from the same source.
Another aside - when will a UK gov initiate an open, non-partisan discussion about tax; identify and agree on what needs to be funded and then structure the personal and corporate tax system to deliver the necessary revenues.
Utopian? Probably because there are too many individuals and businesses with no interest in the greater good or the national interest - and too many politicians would fail to engage in a grown-up discussion.
We are about to crash out and negotiate WTO agreements which are hideously crap,
Here is a list of countries that trade exclusively on WTO.
North Korea
I'm not sure how to spell the possibile other one that might be but chances are you have never heard about.
That's right pure WTO puts the UK behind the likes of Syria etc.
Mike its Somalia, not that hard to spell. I for one welcome UK plc's future as a nation of pirates living in shanty's hijacking passing ships.
5 year old me would love being a pirate to be a valid career choice.
We did that in the past.
Sir Francis Drake et al
Mauritius is the other country that comes up, but someone worked out that they actually do have trade deals with their neighbours.
Go us!
Good to see UBS abandoning their doomsday forecasts for U.K. growth yesterday Albeit that are still too low. Still less of the exaggerated nonsense is welcome especially as it folllws their admission that job movements would be less than first suggested.
Underlying tends are really rather dull hence the need for the wild hyperbole from remoaners
Still lower than they would have been though THM - no?
And not exactly high on anyone’s measure.
Still, politics before prosperity eh?
It's a bit rich honking about the wild hyperbole of remainers, given the nature of Leave's campaigning. And of course it's only hyperbole if it IS an exageration.
Well that's good news even tho we a) still haven't left b) the sum total of SFA relating to the terms of our exit has been agreed.
🙄 (I know you love a smiley)
I love the way remainers are going see it wont be as bad as we feared [ but it will still be bad] and we are meant to celebrate this as good news
Its a bit like your doctor giving you the good news that the whole leg does not have to go just the leg before the knee
I love the way remainers are going see it wont be as bad as we feared [ but it will still be bad] and we are meant to celebrate this as good news
Thing is though public services are already on thier knees, and will stay that way for decades probably, if they ever recover, due to this.
The long term cost to society as a whole will be truly tragic.
Still lower than they would have been though THM - no?
True.
And not exactly high on anyone’s measure.
True. But we are already in a period of weaker cycles due to the debt overhang.
The real story is dull as dishwater, hence the need....you know the rest 😉
Well that's good news even tho we a) still haven't left b) the sum total of SFA relating to the terms of our exit has been agreed
Also true (if you ignore the behind the scenes stuff)
We could have a military coup?Although with the funding cuts it wouldn't last long.
Aah - maybe you've hit on something!!
The cynic in me would suggest positive pressers from financial management companies have more to do with the bank balances of their (rich) clients than reality of the situation faced by most of the population.
Are you also suggesting that the CEO of G Sach’s (the new friend of the left, no really 😉 ) comments so widely used this week should not be taken a face value - is there are hidden agenda there perhaps?
