No skin off my nose DD. The posse merely travel from victim to victim and all sanctioned from above. The normal targets have been a quieter recently although amazed that ninfan has survived so far today without too much abuse.
Too late to try your suggestion, but thanks. A bit boring with some lovely veal and a beer instead. Prost und schlafe gut (if I can still remember O level German)
The posse merely travel from victim to victim and all sanctioned from above.
You really are quite delusional
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My goodness - does he really think there is a posse sanctioned from above? If it were so surely the mods would just ban the supposed victims of this posse? Have yOu been warned off from arguing with THM Zokes? I have been hence the policy I adopt of not seeing most of his posts and refusing to get into debate. I bet others have been
I have noticed that many leavers have progressed from crowing about their 'victory' to whining that they are being victimised, both by the 'intransigent' EU and by the 'Remoaners' they despise so much. I think I almost preferred the crowing.
I did have a little browse thru the early parts of this thread looking for leavers statements that have subsequently been proven to be rubbish. It was noticeable how few of them remain to defend the indefensible
Well, it was made clear to me that suggesting he pulls facts out of his posterior wasn't permitted by Ze overlords above™
I guess that's all by-the-by really. He's made it clear he has no interest in constructive discussion, preferring to sneer and pour scorn on anyone who dare question his often evidence free and self-appointed expert analysis. It really can't be that surprising that such an attitude tends to bring out the worst in everyone it's thrown at. There seems to be very little point in trying to conduct constructive debate under such circumstances as he will always try to derail it.
Reading on my phone today I saw THMs contributionsWhat a fantasy world - behind tbe scenes negotiations going well? What nonsense. there are none. Economic damage / flight of bankers no issue - can he not read?
I have to say TJ, I reckon THM knows more about the details of this than you do. You only read the papers.
to be honest guys the constant arguing between members is really annoying .
YOu really think there are behind the scenes deals going on? Its utter fantasy that there is and you really think THM actually has any access to anything?
You really think that if there were "behind the scenes" negotiations that were going well that Davies and co would not be trumpeting them? That no details would have been leaked?
Its ludicrous fantasy. Don't be so gullible
I had better step away - I can feel the banhammer heading my way
tj there's always behind the scenes stuff, to think there isn't is a bit mental tbh.
Whether they result in anything is another story mind, but still, they will be happening. The masters don't tell the plebs everything.
to be honest guys the constant arguing between members is really annoying .
+1 it's impossible to actually talk about anything amongst the snide remarks and bickering.
I've stepped away from this thread a few times because I just couldn't be bothered with it. And yes, both sides are as bad.
Challenge opinions and facts by all means. Just don't be an arse about it.
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Nope - not buying it. Yes we don't hear everything and junior officials will be running around trying to do things but the idea that there is a whole secret parallel set of negotiations going on that are going well for the tories is absurd. It would have been leaked.
~Similarly THMs assertions that there is not a flight of bankers is simply incorrect given the facts we have that shows it to be so
with that - I am out
There weren't ment to be back channels to the IRA in the 70/80s either TJ.
I doubt animosity is that bad that they aren't talking.
NI land border committee briefing session is repeated on BBC parliament now, although it has side stepped to Gibraltar for now, not entirely unsurprisingly.
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Coalition talks fail in Germany. No realistic coalition government until someone changes mind. Possibilities of new election, leadership challenge to Merkel or a first minority government. The original Trump is on the march. European politics are by no means stable.
A minority government?! Oh no, imagine the chaos and weakness that will create!
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I agree twice a week I at least try+1 it's impossible to actually talk about anything amongst the snide remarks and bickering.
Also stepping away from this for a while as it is not even the pretence of a debate
A minority government?! Oh no, imagine the chaos and weakness that will create!
Minority coalition government though, which would be a first for Germany, no single party is even close to governing.
Briefing session amounted to "we don't make or grow anything in Gibraltar, our land border is tiny, we have no free travel area with the country we share a land border with, we wish you the best of luck…"
Minority coalition government though
The Conservative party is pretty much a coalition … and a messy one at that, currently.
Germany will find a way. If their export and GDP growth aren't still better than ours this time next year, I'll eat my chocolate hat, "weak" government or not. Looks more stable than.... well… us.
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https://www.ft.com/content/165deb14-cd12-11e7-b781-794ce08b24dc
(if you sign up to the FT you can read some articles for free)
So if we settle for 40bn Euro's then it's about 4 years of membership money
60bn and it's closer to 6 years. That is before the cost of any of the new agencies and border arrangements and any payment for ongoing access to the markets.
Is anyone keeping a record of all these bills? Would like to see the running total of Brexit Costs to date and into the future as we were promised a lot of inward investment with all the savings - which we won't realise for a minimum of 4 years and probably closer to 10.
Anyone changed their minds yet?
I have to say TJ, I reckon THM knows more about the details of this than you do. You only read the papers.
To be fair, we have very little evidence that THM does any more than that. Given his unwillingness or inability to answer even slightly searching questions which seek to understand where he's getting his "facts" from, I'm not so sure.
Is anyone keeping a record of all these bills? Would like to see the running total of Brexit Costs to date and into the future as we were promised a lot of inward investment with all the savings - which we won't realise for a minimum of 4 years and probably closer to 10.
And the money is the easiest bit. Let's see what they do with FoM and the NI border...
to be honest guys the constant arguing between members is really annoying
Nail on the head! This used to be the thread I visited the most. Probably my second favourite after the Ling's Cars one! Very rarely bother these days.
Mefty, papers here this morning expressing concern about AfD winning more seats in a snap election. Looks pretty messy at the moment and we could do with Merkel's pragmatism. Europe is far from stable - Catalonia's next vote is off thefront pages for the moment too, but only a few weeks away.
seosamh77 - MemberThere weren't ment to be back channels to the IRA in the 70/80s either TJ.
I doubt animosity is that bad that they aren't talking.
We knew about those back channels at the time.
As I said - I am sure junior folk are talking but the idea that behind the scenes its all going well in some secret parallel set of negotiations is nonsense.
As I said - I am sure junior folk are talking but the idea that behind the scenes its all going well in some secret parallel set of negotiations is nonsense.
I think the key point here is the definition of "well". To my eye that would be constructively progressing in a smooth and timely manner towards resolving the outstanding issues. I suspect however that on this occasion it means that the talks haven't completely broken down.
"Posse"? I see thm as more Mr Godfrey than Jesse James 🙂
THM goes up to town on the 8.21
But he comes home each evening
and he's ready with his gun!
With Merkel looking weak & wobbly does that mean Macron is now the boss?..
Or will it stall Brexit talks further?
Either way instability in Germany's another win for Putin!
Yeah I was thinking the same thing kimbers. I wonder if Mother Russia's fingerprints will be found on AfD funding or social media too.
The posse merely travel from victim to victim and all sanctioned from above
What bollox.
To be fair, we have very little evidence that THM does any more than that.
This simply is not true. He has often referenced plenty of material directly, not sourced via newspapers/media,
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This simply is not true. He has often referenced plenty of material directly, not sourced via newspapers/media,
Conveniently making it very difficult to fact check.
Anyway, back to the news... https://pharmaphorum.com/news/european-medicines-agency-relocation/
mindbogglingly expensive, and hugely harmful
#brexitinanutshell
And the good news just keeps on coming.....
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-passporting-rights-banks-financial-services-michel-barnier-speech-talks-david-davis-a8064836.html ]UK Banks will lose passporting rights says Barnier[/url]
It's all ok though Theresa is having a meeting today with Boris and Gove to see what fresh insanity they're cooking up this week
Non of this is happening / will happen according to our right wing zealots on here.
I think the issue is the tories and their supporters live ( like many of us) in an echo chamber but for these guys its more extreme. Anything that does not fit the party line is ignored / flatly denied. anything that can be twisted to fit their assertions is lauded, any outlier that fits their ideology is taken as correct and the other 99% of things that don't are seen as outliers.
See Boris with his fingers in his ears literally refusing to listen to things that don't agree with him
See what happened with the statements from the EU last month - clearly designed to support May in her fight with the extremist leavers, Taken as absolute proof there would be trade talks this month, now its obvious there will be no trade talks
Or the idea now being floated that May will not be allowed to offer more money by her own ministers unless we know what trade deal we will get first. simply not going to happen
Binners - not only will passporting rights be lost - as is obvious but Barnier and the rest have already spotted that the banks want to put empty shell operations in the EU but still run everything from the UK - thus the EU have said this is not acceptable - IT systems and governance must be in the EU so it comes under EU regulation
Nice bluff from Barnier
As anyone who understands banking knows, the U.K. banks are very well prepared for this. It's still to be determined of course but even if we move to third country equivalence, they already have subsidiaries in Europe which give them passporting rights regardless and the two that don't are setting then up now. So total non story (other than movements of some staff, which again has been exagerated for effect).. Still gets folk frothy in their ignorance of the facts.
Of course, what Barnier conveniently misses is that the real losers in the fragmentation of European wholesale markets are the European corporates and households who will have access to less liquid markets at higher costs. Plus it affects European banks too!! Who would have thought it....
Let the exagerated headlines continue though - sells papers and keep the moaners happy.
Speaking in Brussels on Monday Michel Barnier said that "Brexit means Brexit, everywhere"
He's just trolling TM now. I'm beginning to think that his underlying strategy is to assist the implosion of the UK government by outraging either the remainers (see above) or the Brexit eye-swivellers (divorce bill etc) and setting them fighting like rats in a sack.
I guess he thinks that whatever emerges from the burning wreckage will either be in full retreat from Brexit or more compliant in negotiations. He's nearly seen off Davis now.
Let the exagerated headlines continue though - sells papers and keep the moaners happy.
Have you totted up the cost of brexit yet? The financial settlement along is going to cause problems to the UK in the short term, the cost of duplication is going to be high. What you reckon 10 years or more to break even on this one?
What you reckon 10 years or more to break even on this one?
an extra 10 years of brexit enforced austerity will be absolutely bearable for those in food bank queues........ knowing that theyve got blue passports
Have you totted up the cost of brexit yet? The financial settlement along is going to cause problems to the UK in the short term, the cost of duplication is going to be high. What you reckon 10 years or more to break even on this one?
Talking to a mate who's contracting for one of the larger government dept's, all staff have now been told that there's basically nothing else on the agenda for the foreseeable future, except duplicating existing EU systems, and it's going to cost truly eye-watering sums of money. And thats if it all goes to plan. Which I'm sure it will, as the government's record of delivering IT projects on time and on budget is exemplary
Yay for taking back control!
"Lets take £350 million a week from the NHS and spend it on Brexit"
Just doesn't have the same ring to it when it's true...
Reckon anyone on the negotiating side has the balls to stand up in parliament and say the true cost?
