It might even have been imagined as a compromise…
- we won't storm out early with no deal
- we won't indefinitely delay our exit
…the reality is it looks to remove much needed flexibility we might all need in 2019
If we need to roll back to old customs systems, for example, because of an, unsurprising, problem occurring with the implementation of the new IT system that is going live just before our exit, then May, or later, might be more wise for all than the end of March.
teamhurtmore - Member
It was
Phew glad that was sorted out....
So in summary the government is doing everything in it's power (which is a funny thing to type at the moment) to make doubly sure that the whole thing ends up with a leave/flounce. If I was cynical I would have to guess that some are quite worried that some people might play the call if off card.
Ed, you really are a charmer aren’t you. 😉
Mike. Yes you are correct the gov is attempting to negotiate how we leave the EU. That WAS on the ballot paper !
…the reality is it looks to remove much needed flexibility we might all need in 2019
I agree, it would be possible to deal in the legislation with known unknowns, but it is always the unknown unknowns that bite you on the arse.
Not what I said though was it, I'll try and write it simpler...
They are putting obstacles in the way of anyone who tries to get in their way.
They do not need to do all of this to negotiate an exit - if somebody does something that they do not need to do it raises suspicions as to the motives.
Have they released those docs yet?
Edit -
@mefty given how well they are dealing with the known known's that are the 3 first items the UK agreed to sort before moving on to anything else how does that look for some of the unexpected items.
The Known Unknows are scary enough
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He understood, but as you write in riddles with no source, link or anything tangible what you oringinally intended to say may have got lost in your attempts to belittle, sneer, condescend, mock, Micky take, troll, provoke, insult, mislead, talk down to...
This most imaginative line in invective would be rather more effective if the comment you quote was discussing one of THM's posts, unfortunately it was one of mine.
Check the previous page, Mefty. Unless you've said exactly the same it's a quote from THM.
So in summary the government is doing everything in it's power....to make doubly sure that the whole thing ends up with a leave...
You decide
Comedians are reduced to reading out headlines and waiting for the laugh. They genuinely couldn't make this stuff up.
An we are still no nearer any plausible credible plan for how to deal with this mess than we were in 2016. Tick tock.
The corporate raiders are already lining up, the only way to get inward investment post Brexit is low tax rates, low regulation of labour (see James Dyson and Tim "Wetherspoon") but don't worry poor people Wetherspoons will be able to knock 15p off a happy meal.
It must be so nice in a black and white world...
Has the UK presented a realistic plan yet? Given any decent accurate assessments of what will follow their potential outcomes?
Nope nothing at all. The public is being kept in the dark as the more that comes to light the more people turn on the project.
Three excellent posts.
I reckon we should call the whole thing off, work out what it has already cost us to date and bill this back to the people who voted 'leave'. Then it's either "pay your bill for wasting our time" or a full day in the stocks in their local community so they can be pelted with rancid fruit and veg by the grown-ups.
I'm going to try to have that image in my head when I go to sleep tonight so I can live this brilliant world in my head for a few hours.
Before waking up to another day of national humiliation and refusal to face the facts that less and less people every day actually want this to happen.....
Call it off and I reckon you can forget the rebate. No quote, this is pure gratuitous speculation on my part, but if I'm thinking it you can bet it's also crossed the minds of people in high places in Europe.
The war cry of the remoaners - do everything we can (including making lots of things up) to ensure that the result is ignored. The people, sorry the thickos, must not be respected. They don’t understand, far too complex for their feeble little minds.
Well I'm beginning to understand what this red white and blue Brexit is going to look like.
How can you - we haven’t started negotiating the details yet? At least not in public
Another question mark at the end of a statement which your English teacher would hav eunderlined in red back in school but I'll answer al the same, THM. Davies has started negotiating the details:
He's offered too little cash, too few rights to EU citizens in the UK and an unacceptable fudge for N.I.. Negotiations are therefore not advancing.
The war cry of the remoaners - do everything we can (including making lots of things up) to ensure that the result is ignored. The people, sorry the thickos, must not be respected. They don’t understand, far too complex for their feeble little minds.
We're not the ones that think the people are too feeble to have a say on the final deal.
Why do you want to deny them that say?
If the 52 percent is as solid a democratic mandate as you say. Prove it.
The war cry of the remoaners
Sigh - obvious troll line - boring us all away - yawn.
Any chance you could contribute, and pass on some of the details of the special travel deal for those in your sector suggested by DD and outlined in the FT today?
That said it is not impossible to imagine a scenario where its gets stuck in the EU, or indeed a member state's where applicable, parliament. In that case, a deadline extension may be sought at short notice and we will have created a rather unfortunate rod for our own back.
Which, on past form (e.g. Greece), is not impossible or unlikely - can-kicking to the next meeting is the EU's forte!
The people, sorry the thickos, must not be respected. They don’t understand, far too complex for their feeble little minds.
But you've already admitted that the decision wasn't made on sound reasoning, haven't you?
...can-kicking to the next meeting is the EU's forte!
butbutbut, i thought the EU would be begging us for a deal?
The people, sorry the thickos, must not be respected. They don’t understand, far too complex for their feeble little minds.
Indeed - but let them suffer, while our wonderful financial wizards retain their FOM. Pliable thing, democracy!!
THM a few sensible questions -
1. Will people on less than the national average salary be financially better off post Brexit
2. Will unskilled/semi skilled people be more secure in respect to having a home and an income post Brexit
3. Will social mobility increase post Brexit
4. Will the cost of living increase post Brexit
I think you work in the financial sector so you may have a better view than most.
The people, sorry the thickos, must not be respected. They don’t understand, far too complex for their feeble little minds.
I respect thickish as I respect every human being. Its just I don't want them making decisions.
Whomis the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool that follows the fool?
I love the idea of bankers getting ~FOM while no one else does. The EU will not allow that - it would be illegal under EU law. A deal to give them visas easily would work but that is not FOM
Easy visa for those working in :
Healthcare, construction, engineering, education, research, biotechnology, agriculture, care, IT. Oh, and coffee shops.
How can you - we haven’t started negotiating the details yet? At least not in public
It's the "no deal" option. A deal won't be reached in the timescale set and don't forget "No deal is better than a bad deal".
Sigh - obvious troll line - boring us all away - yawn.
But neither is repeating the same arguments again and again, it is only productive to the extent it is cathartic. The debate needs to move on to be interesting, however moving the debate forwards is difficult for remainers as the pitch was queered by the Government in the campaign. Brexit was voted for inspite of dire Treasury forecasts of what would happen as a result of the vote - not leaving - whatever lumps in the road we face, it difficult to see those forecasts being better than reality.
Oh, and coffee shops.
Plus pubs. Wetherspoon for example wants to keep the supply of staff. Just wants to get rid of the things he doesnt fancy.
If the brexit elite get their way there are going to be lots of brexit voters regretting their choice when the things they voted for dont happen and the things they didnt expect do.
Which is why DD hasn’t said FOM unsurprisingly 😯
Oldmanmtb. The outcome obviously depends on what deal we have!! Just spent 90mins talking to a German on different scenarios!!
Will respond on train later. But generally no^4 but many voters do not have - what’s the term here - a narrow economic focus or focus on money. Other things are more important to them - remember what the Scots said about taking control and being in charge of their own destiny 😉
(including making lots of things up)
Another irony meter bites the dust.
They don’t understand, far too complex for their feeble little minds.
See the making stuff up bit. Aside from the geniuses like yourself any of us mere mortals will generally admit to the fact the decision we made, either way, is imperfect due to not having the time to gather truly impartial information and then understand it.
Saying someone is feeble minded would be unfair (in most cases) but saying that they didnt have the information to make a rational decision isnt.
Remember we arent Homo economicus but instead mere mortals.
Its just I don't want them making decisions.
How very dare they have a say. Let’s introduce IQ apartheid instead!
How very dare they have a say. Let’s introduce IQ apartheid instead!
I hope you can tell I was being somewhat facetious. In all seriousness it's not 100% effective by a long shot but in general people that are good at X tend to move up the field of X. I don't get structural engineering advice from my dentist so the idea of asking everyone on a complex economic political union is silly. Then take the result that is won by a margin that is so small it could swing either way that much over a few days,( I.e. you could consider it within as noise.) As a strong mandate is even sillier. All you can conclude from the result is division.
It's face palm after face palm.
teamhurtmore - MemberThe war cry of the remoaners - do everything we can (including making lots of things up) to ensure that the result is ignored. The people, sorry the thickos, must not be respected. They don’t understand, far too complex for their feeble little minds.
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Pretty much, yes. That's a neat summary of my view. I'm not apologising for it, though.
slowoldman - MemberWell I'm beginning to understand what this red white and blue Brexit is going to look like.
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Yes - it's going to be brown, in massive quantities.
How very dare they have a say. Let’s introduce IQ apartheid instead!
It's got nothing to do with IQ. It's not a question of intellectual snobbery. You think it is, but it really isn't.
It's just that most people, as you acknowledged, don't have all the facts. So how the hell can you make a balanced decision without facts?
You think it is, but it really isn't.
I am not sure they do. Its just a convenient straw man to throw out to try and confuse things.
Looks like I missed a fun day
I'd like to propose that those calling "intellectual snobbery" should get their health problems treated by their garage mechanics and their cars fixed by their GPs.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/anna-soubry-threats-brexit-mutineer-police-report-tory-mp-rebel-daily-telegraph-a8056441.html ]On a positive note, it’s nice to see the return of the death threats, to accompany the Orwellian Nationalistic newspaper headlines. I’m sure we’ve all missed those[/url]
Just spent 90mins talking to a German on different scenarios!!
Do share, I suspect you do have things you could contribute to the forum, THM, but are only here to take the Micky.
Says a man who posts untrue stuff on a constant and consistent basis 😯 and without smileys
FWIW. Very scared about hard Brexit.
I'd like to propose that those calling "intellectual snobbery" should get their health problems treated by their garage mechanics and their cars fixed by their GPs.
Ah, but doctors and mechanics generally have a track record of success, governments less so.
Looks like I missed a fun day
Yep! Mr Logic on fine form 🙂
Read back, THM, you've been called out yourself within the last week for claiming progress and that trade talks would be under way shortly with absolutely nothing to substantiate that claim.
Feel free to link or quote any mistruths I've posted on this thread with page numbers if you just quote.
Do we want 2000 pages that quickly?
I don’t have 24 hours to post you funnies. It would be quicker to post things that were true
