Good to see you've calmed down after your sleep. I was beginning to get a bit worried about your blood pressure yesterday.
The grass is still growing in that patch just to the side. It's nice and long now.
Just drop the Brexit ball subtly and side foot it where it belongs and we can all get on with our lives.....
Nail on head from Parris today:
So we are on Saturday where we were before Friday: leaderless and drifting towards an act of grave national self-harm. This feeling of drift, this sense of an unholy mess, is deepened by a lack of leadership not just at the top, but among the two great movements engaged in a tug-of-war for Britain’s destiny: movements I shall call the Brexiteers and the Resistance.
From the Newsthump piss-take:
Racist tantrum
S****. 😆
If I were still a subject in The United Serfdom of Ruritania and I'd just read this, I might well be inclined to softly murmur "Oh bugger..."
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Is it me or are the Express starting to question Brexit?
Interesting.
Time for Boris the hero who reluctantly put his own beliefs to one side for the good of the country?
It's crap, but nice to see the Irish getting blamed for HMG's incompetence. Going to invade Ireland i guess to solve the border issue.
well them and the EU it certainly wont be the fault of the **** wits who voted for it or the fools trying to deliver it
Peculiar slant from the sun. Its been the case right from the beginning that the Irish position has been that it has to be an open border and the EU say you can only have an open border if you are in the single market. Desparate stuff from the bexshiteers
mrmo - MemberIt's crap, but nice to see the Irish getting blamed for HMG's incompetence. Going to invade Ireland i guess to solve the border issue.
tjagain - MemberPeculiar slant from the sun. Its been the case right from the beginning that the Irish position has been that it has to be an open border
Jesus Christ what did I just read.
Was there ever any doubt that the north and if needs be peace would be sold down the river in the face of brexit? As for blaming Sinn Fein, the Irish government has been quite open about their stance on this for some time.
Jimjam - the irish governments position has not changed at all. The GFA states there must be an open border. The irish government supports the GFA. The EU will not accept an open border between the EU and non eu .
this is why the UK government suggested a border made of pixie dust.
the NI issue has no solution acceptable to all parties. Hard border, breach of the GFA, unacceptable to the irish government. Open border. Illegal from an EU standpoint. Unacceptable to the EU. Border in the Irish sea. Unacceptable to the NI unionists
There simply is no solution to this issue
tjagain - MemberJimjam
My post wasn't questioning you TJ, just the Sun article. It's literally fake news.
Ah fairy snuff. the perils of text based communication again.
Johnson now caught in an outright lie
Boris Johnson is facing questions about the government’s links to key individuals named by the FBI in its Trump-Russia investigation, following the emergence of a photo of him with Joseph Mifsud, the “London professor” with high-level Kremlin contacts.This development comes less [b]than a week after Johnson denied meeting the professor[/b], and at a time when concern is growing about possible Russian interference in the Brexit campaign, in which the foreign secretary played a crucial role.
Boris lying is not news
Boris being caught lying is not news
the tories doing nothing about either of these is not news
And on the back of that Sun article, people wonder how we got into this situation!
A media that lies and politicians who fail to condemn and in fact actively colude screws any democracy.
Sinn Fein are down 5% in today's polls, so not sure how the sun reaches its conclusions - oh yes they just make shite up.
We don't really have a government at the moment.
It's more like 'Yes Minister' mixed with Eastenders mixed with Allo Allo.
I haven't got enough bile to cope with this any more.
I'm slowly creeping towards this point of view at much the same pace as this ****ed-up brexit approachs.
Senior EU officials have accused Theresa May’s government of putting its own survival ahead of the interests of the people of Northern Ireland, as they said they had lost all confidence in Downing Street’s capacity to navigate the Brexit negotiations successfully.
the NI issue has no solution acceptable to all parties. Hard border, breach of the GFA, unacceptable to the irish government. Open border. Illegal from an EU standpoint. Unacceptable to the EU. Border in the Irish sea. Unacceptable to the NI unionists
Yep this Ones a right little gem ...... This should have been nailed in principle before we started rushing to the exit.
Excluding fairy borders an unicorn crossings Sweden and Norway managed to get an acceptable solution in place so there is precedent.
Still if we crash out it’s someone else’s border problem maybe?
(BTW Wondering not hoping)
Brexit is Kobayashi Maru
So we need a Kirk , but we got a May.
Dude of doom - there is also a hong kong / isle of man type solution. Trouble is both of them rely on NI remaining in the single market with a border in the irish sea. Unacceptable to the brexshitters and to the DUP
tjagain - MemberDude of doom - there is also a hong kong / isle of man type solution. Trouble is both of them rely on NI remaining in the single market with a border in the irish sea. Unacceptable to the brexshitters and to the DUP
It's really the only viable solution. A hard border can't be implemented unless it's policed - that will be a massive red flag to dissidents who'll try to kill security forces doing the policing, and so you'd end up going back to military bases, which will mean more harassment, more unrest, more dissidents........
An Island Ireland with one border would be fitting justice for the bunch of creationist bigots who sold out "their wee country" and spun lies for 40000000 Rubles.
Its the only viable solution. However it won't fly 'cos the DUP won't accept it nor the little englanders
tjagain - MemberIts the only viable solution. However it won't fly 'cos the DUP won't accept it nor the little englanders
I can tell you right now (as I look across the border) that it'll have to. They'll have to dress it up, paint it a different colour, call it a different name but that's the only workable solution that won't cost lives and waste billions.
Varadkar and the EU are basically on the same page with this. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and hopefully this'll shine a light on what a bunch of crooks are in power at Stormont.
Well there is a viable solution perhaps. Re-align the border along the line of the leave/remain vote. Then stick up concrete and barbed wire.
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slowoldman - MemberWell there is a viable solution perhaps. Re-align the border along the line of the leave/remain vote. Then stick up concrete and barbed wire.
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That map view sums it up perfectly. Britain's attempts to ethnically and culturally cleanse Ireland, still bearing bitter, poisonous fruit 460 years later.
Annoyingly those Ulster Scots couldn’t even vote the same way as the real Scots.
It's really the only viable solution. A hard border can't be implemented unless it's policed
Leaving aside the massive cost of establishing border infrastructure along a difficult frontier, the complete lack of HMRC / Border Agency staff to man the border and the risk considerable risk to life to anyone representing the Crown at the border and the general deterioration in peace, the EU will not want a porous hard border which will open them and probably the UK to various tax and duty frauds, which those in the area have ripped the arse out of in years gone by, and the RoI isn't going to waste millions policing a border which is a UK cock up if it can avoid it.
Brexit is a big nail in the coffin of a divided Ireland
Or the other way round Kilo - NI is a big nail in the coffin of Brexit
UK politicians dgas about selling the north out if it gets in the way of brexit, as seen by bribing the dup despite the adverse effects of that on GF agreement and their woeful record of squandering millions ( one billion wasted on RHI)
the conservative and unionist party propped up by the DUP is not going to lose NI to the irish/break up the UK under any set of circumstances
to argue otherwise is to ignore 400 years of history - whatever side of the divide you sit
True. But "no surrender" still seems to be the mantra which doesn't allow the any solution to the NI border issue. NO isle of man deal ( sticks to all EU stuff without being a member thus tariff free trade) or HOng Kong solution which would be similar.
Excluding fairy borders an unicorn crossings Sweden and Norway managed to get an acceptable solution in place so there is precedent.
Yes, they're both in Schengen.
I think the most ridiculous way this whole thing could end is if the UK crashes out of the EU with no deal but was forced to join Schengen.
Junkyard - lazarus
the conservative and unionist party propped up by the DUP is not going to lose NI to the irish/break up the UK under any set of circumstancesto argue otherwise is to ignore 400 years of history - whatever side of the divide you sit
Sell out as in they've been happy with an "acceptable level of violence" in the past no reason they will sacrifice brexit to keep peace on course.
Johnson and Gove basically threatening may and making it clear she has no control over them
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/12/michael-gove-and-boris-johnson-send-secret-brexit-letter-to-may
Barnier drawing up plans for talks collapse
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/12/eu-planning-for-collapse-of-brexit-talks-says-michel-barnier
I thought this was quite poignant
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At least it beats treacherous farridges effort..
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A man who recently addressed a neonatal rally in Germany.
A man who recently addressed a neonatal rally in Germany.
Getting them young?
Barnier drawing up plans for talks collapse
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/12/eu-planning-for-collapse-of-brexit-talks-says-michel-barnier
If you imagine it will take at least a year for businesses and governments to determine policies and put in place legislation or procedures then having no agreement or sign or agreement means that it is only sensible to plan for all eventualities including no deal.
Getting them young?
Auto correct, sorry that should be Neo Nazi.
Although it's an ironic mistake, that is indeed how they get them.
Good to see that Barnier is also preparing for all scenarios - despite those ^ who argue that is a waste a time. Plus he confirms the Brexit date which also falsifies the idea that Brexshit is dead. It isn’t. It’s happening.
The EU needs to believe that the UK will leave in order for them to abandon their stupid posturing
