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No Germany had no sway in things European do they?
YES definetlyIs THM pretending
Strangely he is pretending to be both rude and stupid to get a rise.
Neither is actually what he is like but we should all have a hobby and this is his.
Not sure being a tedious **** can really be classed as a hobby.
But internet bullying can - see above
Getting back to the point, I think Germany has significant influence within the EU, their foreign ministry substantially less, and the UK govt is certainly not involved in negotiating a FTA with them, so I don't see how you can think that their vague wish-list for motherhood and apple-pie is in any way supportive of your claim, which as far as I can tell is plainly false.
Germany to the rescue. Or not, according to today's Grauniad.
Germany is leading EU27 states in pressuring their negotiating team to take a stricter line in Brexit talks, offering the British government no hope of discussions on a future relationship with the bloc unless a definitive concession on the financial settlement is made in the next few weeks.
Good idea Captain, thank you
Well IMHO the history of Europe and particularly its relations with third parties tells us that all important matters are ultimately determined by Germany. The one exception now is the ECB is standing up to the Bundesbank on momentary policy
But Barnier is simply a front man. The only people who matter are Merkel, Macron and May (if the latter is still in place). They determine what happens most importantly Merkel. So the views of her ministry are far more important and relevant than most of the Brussels tittle tattle
The 3Ms are the true power brokers here. The test mere bit part players
Yes Dr, Merkel wants here pound of flesh too in return
[quote=teamhurtmore ]But internet bullying can - see above
how many people have left the thread because of you ?
You seem to think two wrongs [ assuming we accept your mate with no facts was bullied] make a right and I assure you Jesus is not looking down pleased with you. HE said turn the other cheek and do unto others as you would have done unto you.
Still it ups to you how you wish to act and up to us how much we wish to engage with your obvious trolling.
But Barnier is simply a front man. The only people who matter are Merkel, Macron and May
That just shows a clear lack of understanding of how the negotiations are organised.
The EU have official brexit negotiators as do the UK..
That's why it was all a bit odd when May went to Florence to make that speech that none of the influential European counterparts turned up to.
She doesn't officially negotiate on the part of the UK on brexit, although it would be daft to assume she doesn't have an influence on the UK brexit 'team' she's not steering the boat on that officially.
I assume you are aware that all EU members have veto rights on any final deal too..?
Complaining about being bullied is just as ridiculous as Trump playing the same card, if you keep saying stupid stuff, you can't really cite victimisation when you inevitably get pulled up on it.
So you can put your accusations in the appropriate shady place.
Your backside? Might shut you up for a bit, I suppose.
True colours
zokes - Still not a customer
So you can put your accusations in the appropriate shady place.Your backside? Might shut you up for a bit, I suppose.
I thought thats where he spoke from at the best of times 😉
Yes it is all up to Merkel....
In the same way the crap about Turkey and no veto was spread by certain brexiteers, to say the only country that matters is Germany is also crap. Spain can veto the deal in exchange for Gibraltar. Poland can veto if its citizens don't get fair treatment etc etc etc.
I hate the term 'brexiteer' it makes them sound they have some kind of status.
But internet bullying can - see above
As I said, you'd know.
Perhaps if you didn't play the tedious contrarian for a hobby you'd find you were in conflict with fewer people.
I am always a contrarian in the face of BS. And there is a constant flow since the vote that makes the Brexshiteers look almost truthful
No wonder project fear lost
Snapshot of what the rest of Europe's press think of us - Kabinett of Horrors is my fave
https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/928573459805982721
They believe that Davis will not produce the €, defeat the end of level bad guy and progress to the next level.
How many lives do we have left?
I thought leave was project fear, THM. You know fear of immigrants, fear of Brussels etc
Remain was about how much wealthier you’d be if you stayed in, how much better everyone would get on.
There was a lot of BS, starting with the project fear tag.
Unfortunately BS often wins. You can’t counter it with facts.
Perhaps the remainers, if you’re right, are just learning and evolving.
The bullies are the ones who belittle and demean people and who attempt to wind them up for sport. Not the ones who poke fun and correct the utter nonsense spouted.
Crying bully all the time cos people disagree with you and poke fun at the arrant nonsense you post just makes you look even more ludicrous.
Basically if you can't take it dsdon't dish it out
PS this is the finest BS in years
The 3Ms are the true power brokers here. The test mere bit part players
I mean, come on, I might give you two, but May? May?
Power broker? Theresa May the failure of a PM, who has little power around the cabinet table never mind the negotiating table?
The mind boggles.
Don’t let yourself get into these conversations at that level.
Unfortunately BS often wins. You can’t counter it with facts.-
You are correct there IGM. Very correct. 😉
The next thing sex pests will join in, let’s see....
IGM - read the previous para !
Fact remains as we saw last month. It comes down to the Germans, French and Uk
The only shift in sentiment seen so far followed their intervention not the facade of the pretend negotiations
Don’t let yourself get into these conversations at that level.
Good poInt. Will leave it be. Speak tomorrow. Thanks for the sanity
I am always a contrarian in the face of BS.
You must spend a lot of time arguing with yourself.
poke fun at the arrant nonsense you post just makes you look even more ludicrous.
Just a few of Edukator's pearls of wisdom poking fun
Media propoganda has diverted that anger away from the real culprits, the financiers (yes you), to: terrorists, the EU, Sadam, the EU, peadophiles, the EU, immigrants, the EU, Merkel, the EU, people on benefit, the EU... but you know who's really screwing over Britian, you.
You're a pawn in the paracitic money-grabbing game that not only led to this, THM, but also means the EU has to be really careful when dealing with the UK because you City banking types want Britain as a cheating, dirty-dealing tax haven.
"Brexshiteers" are thick, xenophobic, gullible or have vested interests. I thought we'd worked that out around page 150.
Compared to the bullying I have had from THM? Offensive but not as offensive IMO
THM sneers, deliberately attempts to get folk to lose their temper, has called me a series of unpleasant names and has been banned for his bullying.
has had people leave this thread due to his behaviours are still he likes to lecture others on how to behave.
The beam in thine eye
THM sneers, deliberately attempts to get folk to lose their temper, has called me a series of unpleasant names and has been banned for his bullying.
In your own words
Basically if you can't take it dsdon't dish it out
Any yet you are required to post until a different login.
its true none of the three of us is able to deliver a massive lecture on behaviour or decorum on here. However I think one would need to be feeling very charitable indeed to not consider THM putting in effort here to provoke a reaction or basically trolling its Ninfan lite basically and just as deliberate.
Mefty - while disagreeing with you on many things I also respect that you keep it civil usually and know your stuff.
I am not going to debate THM with you because its dangerous ground. Loosing my patience with him after continual goading and bullying from him post after post for months on end and telling him what I thought of him is what I was banned for in the end although my behaviour before that lead to me being on a shoogly peg.
However I accept where I did wrong and attempt to correct this. this is the key difference.
What gets my goat is this blind insistence that "the people have spoken" so we're going to facepalm our way out of Europe no matter what, even though the majority is tiny for such a massive decision, even though it's freely recognised that truths were rare to find during the campaign - ****in sort yourselves out, politician folks, you have no problem going against the will of the people when it suits you so why has the line been drawn in the sand on this particular issue?
What odds from Ladbrokes that Brexit will not go ahead?
Looks to me that we're heading in that direction.
Fingers crossed.
I really hope you're right.
I'm still hoping that Brexit is such a shambles that it just gets buried... along with the current government.
I'm afraid you're being delusional, Frank. THM, self-appointed spokesman of "teh grownupz" says so 🙄
Junkyard - lazarushow many people have left the thread because of you?
Point of order: far fewer than have left the thread because of the collective bullying of the pro-Euro forumites.
Pretty much all of the pro-Brexit crowd have been hounded out, to the point that the pro-Euro crowd have had to turn on one of their own.
Unless I'm wrong, in which case hats off to THM for lying so consistently about his position for in excess of a year now. Most liars trip up eventually, but not THM. His lies have been consistent from the off!
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Considered not posting that due to the inevitable backlash, but sod it; I'm thick skinned and generally the baaaaark is worse than the bite. 😉
tjagain - MemberLoosing my patience
Instaban!!! 😀
Point of order: far fewer than have left the thread because of the collective bullying of the pro-Euro forumites.
Was the bullying when we kept asking for proof and facts etc?
The whole history of mankind has been about joining together to resist tyranny and danger from, the first small family groups to villages to tribes to kingdoms to nations and alliances together we are better off history proves it, time and time again by coming together we have achieved great things and changed the world divided we fall, at the end of the Roman empire came the dark ages a step back to petty wars and the all powerful king kicking our asses with his gang of thugs,we came together in unions to resist the all powerful mill owner to fight the Nazis the list goes on and on Brexit to me feels like a step back to the dark ages history proves we are better off together changing the EU from within to what it should be.
Sorry if this reads poorly I am not the most literate guy on here.
And yes bullying on here is one reason I rarely post.
Pretty much all of the pro-Brexit crowd have been hounded out,
No, they repeatedly posted bullshit dressed as facts and were consistently called out on it. Rather than dealing with the facts, they decided that they'd rather stay in their little fantasy red white and blue Brexit bubbles
...and wicki: nailed it. Brexit is a huge societal step backwards.
Still not sure about the bullying thing though. I genuinely think a few throwing that term around here (a) need a long hard line ok in the mirror, and (b) wouldn't last five minutes in my four year old daughter's playground.
Well said sbob and thank you mefty!
FWIW
1. Pro membership of EU, anti €
2. Pro ALL four freedoms
3. Pro democracy and respecting its process and outcomes
Then deal with what is in front of you not what you wish was in front of you. I would rather not have Brexshit. But that’s bye the bye. It’s happening. Tant pis.
The accusations of bullying are ridiculous from some of the folk. For what its worth I felt some of the language used at jambalaya was over the top but as others said posting nonsense and being called out on it is not bullying nor is calling out the unpleasant sneering from THM.
THM is the bully not those who call him out
Its a classic diversion tactic to complain about being bullied when actually you are being called out for spouting nonsense
https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-keeping-our-eu-citizenship-post-brexit/w
petition to keep EU citizenship
Time to move on ?
(In all respects 😉 )
As I keep on saying there simply is not a solution to NI that will satisfy the EU, the Irish government, that respects the GFA and satisfies the brexiteers
An internal EU document seen by the Guardian suggests the talks over the border on Ireland remain in limbo with the bloc’s negotiators insisting a hard border can only be avoided by Northern Ireland effectively staying in the single market and customs union.The document says it is “essential for the UK to commit to ensuring that a hard border on the island of Ireland is avoided, including by ensuring no emergence of regulatory divergence from those rules of the same internal market and the customs union ... necessary for meaningful north-south cooperation, the all-island economy, and the protection of the Good Friday agreement”.
The Northern Ireland secretary, James Brokenshire, ruled out such a move last week insisting that the integrity of the UK’s internal market would not be put in jeopardy.