I dunno, I almost feel sorry for her.
I wouldn’t want her job that’s for sure. She’s probably deluded if she doesn’t know she was put in place to take all the blows for this shitstorm for a couple of years and then be sacrificed for a more electable leader.
Can you imagine the state she’d be in with an opposition to deal with too?!
I'm starting a petition against this petition. I'm now hopelessly hooked on looking at it and hitting refresh - it's worse than a fixed odds gambling machine!
I wonder if Maybot will simply ignore the petition, the rules mean I has to run till August before the commons have to debate it.
Signed about 10 mins ago but I haven't received the confirmation email. Does that mean I count in the stats or not?
Check your spam, that's where my email went.
I wonder if Maybot will simply ignore the petition
Well she's spent the last 3 years ignoring everything other than what the DUP and the ERG have been telling her, so I doubt she's about to start listening to anyone else at this point
Signed about 10 mins ago but I haven’t received the confirmation email. Does that mean I count in the stats or not?
No, you need to click the link in the email.
Has this been psoted yet:
No deal is not the legal default
Not sure how valid it is, but it's interesting.
Can't get on that bloody petition to see how many have signed
Signed about 10 mins ago but I haven’t received the confirmation email. Does that mean I count in the stats or not?
Mines took about 15 mins - can't confirm as down again - about 780k when I last looked
I wouldn'tget too excited about the petition.There's already been one about a "2nd Ref with 4 million+ signatures and one with half a milion+ for banning former ISIS members from returning to the UK and don'tforget the Donald Trump visit one.Also large numbers of signatures are found to be fake.
The Guardian are reporting that MP's are being advised not to travel by foot to and from Parliament in case they are attacked
So thats where this nonsense has got us. I never thought I'd see the day where a British Prime Minister called a press conference to directly incite some kind of mob rule, stir up a toxic form of nationalism and basically undermine democracy
If there is another Jo Cox situation then it will be entirely on her!
Email finally received
Yeah got mine email too. I'm sure its a waste of time, but if nothing else at least I feel I've done some small thing to reassert my feelings.
If there is another Jo Cox situation then it will be entirely on her!
I thought exactly the same last night. It may sound sensationalist but the atmosphere in the country is more toxic now than during the ref campaign. How dare that woman behave as she does. I'm now beginning to think a much loved member of the royal family has been kidnapped...
Revoke A50 petition now at 779k
“Down for maintenance”
Somebody has had a word
Why all the excitement about this petition? Have you forgotten that 3 million people marched against the Iraq war and were ignored?
Just indicative, innit.
Why all the excitement about this petition?
Any glimmer of hope I think. Especially when the maybot is trying to incite violence.
Looking at it in the context of a reaction to May's speech, it's important. She claimed last night to understand the mood of the public. There were 10's of thousands of signatures before she spoke. There'll be a million within 24 hours. The Maybot fails to understand anything 'human'
The petition crashing is now the most read story on the BBC website. Cue lots of angry brexiters claiming the BBC is an EU stooge...
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Why all the excitement about this petition? Have you forgotten that 3 million people marched against the Iraq war and were ignored?
its nice to feel like you can do something, anything, when your country is being run off a cliff to appease some hard-right idiots who happen to be MPs off the back of a 3 year old referendum thats bitterly divided the nation
And up to 813k in the time it took for the confirmation email to arrive.
ferrals
Has this been psoted yet:
No deal is not the legal default
Not sure how valid it is, but it’s interesting.
Fascinating piece of legal analysis, good find.
Quite remarkable that 4% of some constituencies have signed that petition already
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Wonder if the 'MPs must carry out the will of the people' mob will pay any attention to Bercows 'MPs sole duty is to do what they think is right'?
Why all the excitement about this petition?
Well I'm sure Maybot will be "reminded" of it by some European or other today.
Can't the queen step in ? Seriously !
Can’t the queen step in ? Seriously !
Great idea. We've already got a war of words between the executive and the legislature, I'm sure the crown getting involved will make it much simpler. What they hell would she do anyway? Send in the horseguards?
ferrals
Has this been psoted yet:
I posted it yesterday.
It's an interesting opinion.
Mate at work just pointed out that TM looks like Cyril Sneer from The Raccoons!
SNP lady on Daily Politics suggested that Parliament can revoke A50 not the PM - it was her that took the case to ECJ last year.
According to the Times reporter on Politics Live "if ... next week ... "Revoke or No Deal" ... things will become tasty"
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signed, it's climbing at about 100k/hr at the moment!
Surely now is the time for Labour to hand in a no confidence motion ?? last night to use the words 'against the public' to describe sitting MPs...
Can’t the queen step in ? Seriously !
It would be fascinating if she did, because I'd bet that most gammon leavers are also royalists.
SNP lady on Daily Politics suggested that Parliament can revoke A50 not the PM
This would be a massive bombshell.
Theresa May’s Downing Street speech last night may have seemed baffling to those watching at home but there may be a clue as to its purpose in how the government social media machine has used the footage.
Soon after she finished talking in Downing Street, the official UK government Facebook page began paying to promote a clip of her speaking under the banner “Brexit: Let’s Get On With It”.
The adverts, funded using public money, began running on Facebook last night and have already been seen at least two million times, according to the social network’s new advertising disclosure rules.
These views do not necessarily mean than a Facebook user bothered to watch any of the video - but they do mean that they saw a video in their newsfeed of Theresa May talking alongside the quote “You want this stage of the Brexit process to be over and done with. I agree. I am on your side.”
Although the sums involved are not enormous – up to £10,000 has been spent promoting the video since last night – it is another example of how Facebook ads are being used to put pressure on MPs to back Brexit by directly targeting voters. One mysterious group campaigning for a hard Brexit, which has never revealed its financial backers, has spent almost £500,000 on targeted Facebook ads since last October.
Pariament can revoke - its obvious. All they need to do is pass a binding motion saying the will of the parliament is to revoke. Same as Parliament forced may into asking for an extension.
This would be a massive bombshell.
All.of this just strengthens the case for voting down her deal. I expect the last ammendment on the list to be the killer one in that respect.
Same as Parliament forced may into asking for an extension.
Did they? Or did May ask for a delay, which they tried to put some controls on, which she has chosen to use in a way that might force MPs into backing her deal or leave with no deal? The delay became essential when she moved votes on the Withdrawal Agreement into 2019… it needed passing before Christmas to be ratified and implemented by the end of next week.
The .Gov Petitions page crashed earlier today as >800,000 people dived in to the “Revoke Article 50” petition ...
https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584
This would be a massive bombshell
Not if she knew and I doubt she doesn't
Maybe
She thought no one else would twig
will of who exactly?
...real time comparison of the revoke A50 vs leave with no deal petitions. Just a bit of fun:
https://brexit-petitions-count.now.sh/
(not posted yet on this page anyway)
cracked 900k and still rising
Looks like its right what they were saying that Macron will scupper an extension to Article 50. Anyone still believe it'll be anything other than a No Deal crash out next Friday?
https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1108727120681975808
I'll be amazed at any other outcome.
Life is about to get about 10 or 15% more expensive for those of us lucky enough to still be employed after this tragedy, and a whole lot less good for those on the arse end of the job losses.
Remember how, early on in this thread, we kept asking about Ireland… only for the issue to be dismissed as having some kind of simple fix (that no one could quite articulate yet) …?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-brexiteers-forgot-about-the-border-1.3831635
Anyone still believe it’ll be anything other than a No Deal crash out next Friday?
After May's deranged outburst I think it's more likely that she'll be dumped in a vote of no confidence and an emergency extension granted whilst a new govt is elected. The tory remainers have not yet responded to the brexiteer cabinet mutiny so think they could be holding this up their sleeve. The likes of Grieve etc will vote against May in a confidence motion before they'll accept no deal. Next week is going to be mental.
there are IMO 4 things that could happen now:
1) - crash out with no deal
2) accept the WA and have the two year transition ( which needs the short extension)
3) revoke a 50
4) something material changes ie second ref, GE, May steps down - then its a 2 year delay
Very hard to see which way it will go. Commons has voted down the idea of no deal and I am fairly sure the government would fall if it tried to push no deal thru.
I think in order of likelihood its options 2, 4, 3, 1
Well who'd have thunk it? Looks like the EU 27 are all singing from the same hymn sheet. They're as organised as May is chaotic.
From the Guardian site just now
UK will have to revoke article 50 or face no-deal Brexit if MPs vote down deal next week, Latvian PM says
The Latvian prime minister, Krisjanis Karins, said Britain would have to leave without a deal or revoke Article 50 if Mrs May’s deal is rejected again next week. Speaking as he arrived at the summit, he said:
If the UK is leaving we would want that to be an orderly process so there has been a withdrawal agreement agreed over a two-year period - I don’t see any chance of changing that.
So the question is will the UK accept this agreement and then it will be an orderly withdrawal? No-one wants a chaotic withdrawal.
Asked what would happen if the deal were rejected, Karins replied:
There are then two alternatives: either Great Britain withdraws article 50 and stays in the European Union or there is a disorderly withdrawal.
Anyone else enjoying the irony of 'Taking Back Control' now meaning being told how its going to be by the Latvian PM
If that doesn't sum up this 'Global Britain' insanity perfectly, I don't know what does
After reading about the petition I was all set to sign it, but seeing how fast it's being signed I thought I'd wait and see if i could get the ONE MEEELLLEEEION.
If I'm going to get anything from Brexit, this might just be it.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584 coming up to 960,000 signatures!
…real time comparison of the revoke A50 vs leave with no deal petitions. Just a bit of fun:
Keep in mind that the youth tend to hang out on the internet, and sign petitions and make a noise. Gammons stay quiet and shaft you silently and anonymously in the polling booth.
I think the message from the EU is clear - remain and contribute positively or **** off. Negotiations, real negotiations can then start with a clean sheet off paper. You want something? Well in that case you're gonna have to give something in return. Enough grab, grab, grab, you can have as much cake as you want but at a fair price.
Its a lot more than that. I've been waiting for my confirmation e-mail for hours. until I click the link it won't count. I imagine many others are in the same boat.
No more Tories, not more Labour - they've both been shown to be useless in governing the country and in shepherding us to an orderly conclusion to Brexit, which they both claim to honour.
We need a People's Revolt, not a People's Vote.
Its a lot more than that. I’ve been waiting for my confirmation e-mail for hours. until I click the link it won’t count. I imagine many others are in the same boat.
Check your spam folder
Gammons stay quiet and shaft you silently and anonymously in the polling booth
So that’s why they have those screens
The won't want to revoke Article 50 as a temporary measure as that will incur a long delay to leaving which they're all apparently against.
they’ve both been shown to be useless in governing the country and in shepherding us to an orderly conclusion to Brexit, which they both claim to honour.
Why do you hold labour responsible when they are not in government? This is the tories mess and no one else's. Labour have done everything that could be expected of them. I'm really confused as to why people keep repeating this nonsense. Labour are not in power, they didn't instigate this process, and they have no ability to stop it unless they can win support from tory remainers.
If you want to point the finger at those who have allowed this mess to unfold, you should be looking in the direction of the likes of Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke and the rest of the tory remainers who have propped May up whilst proclaiming opposition to her deal and those in the ERG.
I think in order of likelihood its options 2, 4, 3, 1
Agreed, I might argue 4,2,3,1 but that might just be wishful thinking.
I really wouldn't be surprised if the UK ends up revoking A50, Westminster may well descend into more in-fight and blame sharing, but **** it.
I'm pretty sure that Parliament can only pass a binding motion if the Government provides the opportunity. MV3 might be that opportunity, but I think it is less likely than 2nd ref of May's WA or remain.
I guess next week is when MPs have to make a call for something
My confirmation email took about an hour to come through. Over 985k now.
Petition is running at an average of 1,000+ signatures per minute
Just clocked 990,000
EDIT: over the million now
Labour have done everything that could be expected of them.
Thank you, that's the first thing on this forum today to make me laugh. I must admit that I didn't expect better so you are absolutely right.
What's the point of the extension proposed by the EU? Its conditional on the WA getting voted through next week, which if it does then why do we need an extension?
For those getting excited about the petition, at what point do you think it becomes significant? Less than about 18 000 000 signatures from people entitled to vote and it proves nothing to me.
I must admit that I didn’t expect better so you are absolutely right.
Care to illuminate us on how labour could have stopped brexit then? I've yet to hear an answer beyond the meaningless 'show some opposition'. I'm all ears...
Where are people thinking of joining the People's Vote March on Saturday?
Looks like the EU have had enough of the petulant child. It’s Mays Deal, No Deal or revoke article 50
Looks like No Deal then
Care to illuminate us on how labour could have stopped brexit then? I’ve yet to hear an answer beyond the meaningless ‘show some opposition’. I’m all ears…
Could Labour have started with opposing or delaying Art 50? You know, back in March 2017. Instead of Whipping their MPs to vote it through?
1,000,000
Needs more… get on it…
Stop the clock.
Plan the next steps with the UK controlling the process.
gah, beaten to it
What’s the point of the extension proposed by the EU?
Its not proposed by the EU its what they are willing to give the maybot for her short extension. It is pretty meaningless although would allow some of the legislation that is needed to be passed to be done so before brexit happens.