How very mature of magic grandpa.
Some ERG type, who wants now to vote for the WA, was on 5Live trying to put distance between himself and the no deal fundamentalists like Francois and Redwood
But I am slipping into despondency that we will no deal. Grieve said this is now increasingly likely and that it would be nothing more or less that the Government or May deserved. I need to stop quoting Tories or I'll lose my leftist badge
How totally typical of Corbyn. Can we have his usual myopic cheerleaders justify that then. Not remotely People’s Front of Judea at all that, was it?
The man is a ****ing joke! Except that where we are now, there’s not much to laugh about, is there?
Pathetic!
How very mature of magic grandpa. Really
Huge hypocrisy.
Tingers were formed based on several MPs walking away and throwing their teddies out.
Did anyone call it then?
Won’t sit down with the TIGgers, but the IRA. Or Hamas...?
Maybe they should bomb a pub to get him on board?
Not hypocrisy, corbyn is proving to be just as autocratic as may as time goes on.
The only way progress can be made is with cross party consensus, and that includes independents.
There's no other way to get a majority in the commons on this.
How's that for sovereignty lol!
And the DUP have been awfully quiet the last few days...
There is nothing that will create consensus across the Commons as it stands
This why I think that a mash up of WA + 2nd ref is probably the only thing that would save us from no deal or straight May WA
And the DUP have been awfully quiet the last few days…
Counting the surprise extra crop of cash that the Magic Money Tree just gave them.
Without the ERG her deal can't pass so surely that means a short extension is pointless. Only option is long extension, her resignation and a general election.
DUP can be bought, just a question of how much, ERG just seem to have doubled down this, Johnson, baker, Francois, jenkyns, Paterson have all said they still won't back May's deal.
She's got to rely on labour or MV3 dies on Monday...
...May is late - maybe she still doesn't know where to go...
Do you think she will offer to resign as soon as Brexit is delivered if Commons vote for the WA?
May tried to bounce Corbyn into a meeting he had not agreed to. Party leaders was the agreement. deputy from the lib dems and Umma the tory leader of no party was there. Nothing would or could come from that meeting anyway but once again corbytn allows others to control the narrative and once again loads fall for it.,
She's late...
Peter Grant MP (@PeterGrantMP)
Corbyn was within his rights here but all he’s done is created the suspicion that he was always looking for an excuse to walk out.
SNP mp and they have no love for labour
As I was getting tired of Lamo on 6 in the afternoons I've been going to Today, they are now just about managing to mention that not leaving is a possible outcome, it's as if the BBC don't want to be called out as upstart remainers,
I do hope she pledges to go if nobody votes for her deal though the leader of the opposition is busy outdoing himself if this is correct
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1108459147530518528
I did get some stuff through the door from Peoples Vote and a nice chap called Mr Cable asking for some help with his new party....
I'm being too hard on corbyn, I do understand his position, I'd just like to see a more decisive stance from the leader of the opposition. But these are unique circumstances.
Is she putting May's Deal/No Deal/No Brexit to the house? ****ing put it to us, you lunatic!
Sounds like it's more sound bytes so far..
That was ****ing bizarre.
She has set herself up as the sole defender of the people's will - attacking MPs and Parliamentary process.
How to win friends.
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I must be a little behind the BBC text makes it look like she was getting ready to go
pondo
Member
Is she putting May’s Deal/No Deal/No Brexit to the house?
Sounds like it. Which is fair do's, surely parliament has to cancel it now, casue there's no majority for no deal/mays deal. Is there a majority to remain?
No deal on the 30th June then
Well that was pish, nothing new there. When she appeared emotional I thought she was about to resign.
Quite clear she’d happily go for no deal.
No deal looks almost inevitable.
That iceberg better get out of the way of SS Brexitannia was what I heard.
I don't think she is going to offer no brexit.
Theresa May says she does not believe the public want another referendum on the issue, and that she does not want one either.
"You want us to get on with it - and that is what I am determined to do," she concludes.
FFS really Mystic ****ing Meg has moved into number 10, at no point has she actually asked the public or even met one of them long enough to get an idea
`Sounded like the only thing she will be bring to Parly is her deal.
As I said the important bit is that she is putting herself aside from and above Parliament. This sort of posturing is so damaging given his divided the country is
It’ll be to say that there will be a black and white her deal /no deal at all vote next week.
A last throw of the dice that’ll doom us all.
Totally called it.
It’s a strange day indeed when you get incisive political predictions from a buffoon like me.
If she only brings her deal I think the GE is next, there is not enough support for it and very little for no deal. Enough of the tories know they are finished regardless of how this goes and know she is the problem (including the ERG)
Ewan
Member
I don’t think she is going to offer no brexit.
I think she's going to bring her deal back to parliament and say to her party and the DUP, vote for my deal or I'm going to cancel this.
that was a bit of a non event
I think she’s going to bring her deal back to parliament and say to her party and the DUP, vote for my deal or I’m going to cancel this.
Nah, she will never offer cancel option - I think more like my deal versus risk of second ref amendment
She's going to try and force her deal through again. Until it fails a 3rd time, we are still in stasis.
That's assuming Bercrow will allow it, may be he will for the shitsandgigs.
At least she got her hair done
Poor attempt to bully parliament.
I think she will lose MV3 by 250 votes now.
She's an idiot.
She’s going to try and force her deal through again. Until it fails a 3rd time, we are still in stasis.
But the MP's have spoken, we must respect that vote.
Did I miss something or is there still an issue with Bercow not allowing the same vote again? Is she just hoping that will go away?
Tweet of the night from John Curtice
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1108468805716578305?s=19
How totally typical of Corbyn. Can we have his usual myopic cheerleaders justify that then.
So perhaps Corbyn left because he knew he was wasting his time? Ah.
And you fell for the smokescreen...
Do you think perhaps you're a tad reactionary?
She's on my side!
So why won't she cancel Brexit if she's on my side?
Finally, a cogent explanation for Corbyn's walk-out:
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1108460589398016000
Put that on a bus!
Put Corbyn on the bus or that statement 😉
Honestly, you just act like a grown up then come out and slag her off properly
Nailed
She is only speaking for/to the brexiteers
Us in the 48% can go and fornicate ourselves as far as she's concerned
She is one of the worst people I think I've ever encountered
She is one of the worst people I think I’ve ever encountered
The country and the electorate have well and truly got what they deserved.
Looks to me like she might be just trying set up people to blame for when she inevitably fails for the final time.
Yeah, I reckon so.
They deserve it though.
The festering shit and exceptionalism at the heart of this country is being brilliantly exposed.
May in saying nothing new shocka!
Her total dearth of imagination or pragmatism is staggering. And the leader of HM opposition goes out of his way tonight to prove that he’s easily her equal on that score
So, does anyone think that there’s any other realistic option than crashing our next Friday?
Best start stockpiling. 8 days to economic Armageddon
Already ordering 3 months of lenses, 100 quid of canned and dried goods, useful over the counter medicines, bandages etc. Sterling changed to dollars.
Does a crossbow seem like a good shout Binners? 😀
So, does anyone think that there’s any other realistic option than crashing our next Friday?
Cancel or GE, I can see a NC vote going through at this stage
I don't think it will be quite Game of Thrones but...
Et Tu Borris or will it be from somewhere closer
Talking of grown-ups, I'm getting ready for them to intervene as promised earlier in the thread!
Corbyn walking out of the meeting made no difference, we all know that May would say nothing new, but it just makes him look like hes not cooperating at a time when the country wants leadership & cooperation.
Both parties are being eaten up by this
Good, I hope Corbyn doesn't survive the fallout.
**** him as much as May. He's ****ing complicit as well.
well i called this, shes alienated even more tories now
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1108476773979832320
Hahahah ****ing brilliant.
Had a great night ride tonight, shouldn’t have checked the news, but somehow May and Corbyn have really up their game in the Tosspot stakes.
If there is an upside to a no-deal departure next week, it’ll be that their couldn’t be many left you actually think that either Labour or the Tories or their current leaders have actually done anything but **** us all over in the last 1000 days to try to further their own twisted causes.
It feels to me like the entire establishment has lost any semblance of legitimacy, no matter which side of the Brexit debate you were on. By trying to pander to both sides they have ****ed off the entire country.
Interesting times ahead.
There are going to be brownshirts, socialists and anarchists battling it out in the street in the not too distant future.
Read a great thing today but cant remember where so to paraphrase -
Just write 'we left the EU' on the side of a red bus and drive it about for a bit then all the leavers will think we left.
I hope Corbyn doesn’t survive the fallout.
I have a feeling that the fallout from this is going to be sesimic enough to shake up the whole political system. So you might get your wish.
Is there anything to stop her revoking article 50 then re-invoking it the same day, giving us a 2 year extension? It'll obviously annoy a few folks, but seems like a reasonable 'kick the can' option (note, it'd probably be the end of any political career, but that doesn't seem like much of a loss..)
Is there anything to stop her revoking article 50 then re-invoking it the same day, giving us a 2 year extension? It’ll obviously annoy a few folks, but seems like a reasonable ‘kick the can’ option (note, it’d probably be the end of any political career..)
Bin Dun a few times but it's basically taking the piss and the rules say we can't - came out in the review that said we could revoke
This an excellent piece: https://news.sky.com/story/the-pms-conduct-puts-parliaments-long-term-vitality-in-peril-11671146
From a Telegraph journalist
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1108481513069445121?s=0 9"> https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1108481513069445121?s=09
I am beginning to believe she knows she's lost any chance of passing WA and so is choosing to go down in a blazing fireball of acrimony and blame shifting
5lab IIRC when ther decision was given that the UK could revoke a50 unilaterally it came with a proviso that this could not be for gaming the system so I think she would be in trouble doing it that way.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584/blockquote >
https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584
but somehow May and Corbyn have really up their game in the Tosspot stakes.
rather an excellent summary really
AD, that article rationalizes what I have been feeling over the past couple of days.
UK politics just went from twilight to pitch black with thick fog and wolves howling in the distance.
This whole thing started as an internal barney in the Tory party, and it’s still just that.
What’s staggering is what they’re prepared to sacrifice for their little spat. The entire countries economy, apparently
All us mere minions are incidental in their parlour game. Isn’t it all a frightfully jolly wheeze?
It's gone well beyond threatening just the Tory party Binners, I think some of them have just realised the true scale and horror of what is now happening to representative democracy in the UK. Whilst they have been running around trying to fix the bilge pumps, they've failed to notice iceberg right in front of them and the U-boat to port.
I do wish THM would return to assure us all that the grown-ups have it all under control...
Yes the article AD published is excellent. This is why I keep banging on about May setting herself outside and against Parliament and it being so dangerous and delusional
It's never really reported this way but Parliament generally works collaboratively - PMQs is the exception. Legislation requires compromise if the Executive wants to get it's full programme through in a session. Committees work cross party everyday. Parliament works on consent but because of this the checks are balances rely on adherence to a set of values and conventions rather than hard rules
May has trampled roughshod on this and now has the audacity to blame Parliament. She is truly anti-democratic and she deserves to get the harshest of criticism from across the House - but mostly from her own MPs if they have any respect for our political process
True, but the background to this shitshow is Boris saying ‘David got to be PM so I want to be PM too!” And all manner of that shit!
Paired with the Labour Party determined to become the People’s front of Judea, it’s the perfect storm
And not one of them gives a shit about the people. Both parties are totally self-serving and us lot are frankly incidental
When we crash out next week I hope they get to reap what they’ve sown. Be held accountable for their lies. If Boris ends up swinging from a lamppost, there would be a certain poetic justice to that
Calm down and delete the calls to violence, please.
The number of signature on that petition is rising fast, a few hundred every time you refresh the screen!
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1108485516058681344
so thats why she was so pissy, she actually thinks its all their fault
well it's massively backfired, labour & Tory MPs , Journailists from all sides of the brexit cahsm saying tonights speech was a mistake
I think finally we may see a new PM very soon, maybe
May has trampled roughshod on this and now has the audacity to blame Parliament.
In most years, A PM labelling most of her Parliamentary colleagues as 'enemies of the people' would be considered extraordinary, almost a resigning matter of itself. These are not normal times...