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THM - possibly worth a download. I was driving to Glasgow again so I had the time. There’s probably only ten minutes of it worthwhile - some of the rest was entertaining though.
Any answers in some ways was better.
No it's very different CPN but I am well aware of why remoaners are happy to confuse the issue.
But again, you first sentence does not appear to make sense. Unless....
Cheers IGM. might check out AA!!
Matty - given how far apart the sides (that matter here!!) are I would suggest that there are acres of room to negotiate. We just need to get to the starting point...and not the false one
Or simply accept that you were wrong and move on
My second post on this page was:
ECHR indeed, THM.
If you were following second by second I originally posted "EU" on the previous page in realtion to the IRA, then edited it to ECJ because I knew the IRA thing was a human rights issue rather than EU but typed ECJ rather than ECHR. When you correctd me I instantly acknowledged You were right (second post on this page), and "moved on". What followed was a gratuitious attempt at a putdown on you part, THM. You can't be content with being right you have to spend the rest of a page being a **** about it.
UNFAIR
THM is clearly here to help us all understand things better hence he speaks with such clarity on issues and never obfuscates or patronises or alludes to things he never quite says
Bless 😉
Ed - I can't help it if you have an established track record of making claims on here that do not stand up to scrutiny. Normally that's obvious. In this case it wasn't.
Don't blame others if your errors are poInted, especially if you are happy to claim that others have a weak understanding of the issue involved and are/were happy to give Jambas such a hard time when he made things up. Otherwise that would be....
And subsequent posts show clearly that you didn't move on as you now claim. "Reformed" ?????
If you were following second by second I originally posted "EU" on the previous page in realtion to the IRA, then edited it to ECJ
Well I commend you for having the honesty and balls to add that you got it wrong twice. Chapeau
[quote=mattjg ]Gotta have a free press
I'm not sure we have that at the moment in any real sense.
I'm not blaming anyone, I recognised my error in print the instant you pointed it out.
ECHR indeed, THM.
You've now spent nearly a page patronising, putting down, accusing me of making things up and defending the indeffensable: Jamba's grossly misleading posts. Why.
Well not all obviously as some are now excluded or have excluded themselves
There's that claim again.
Who has actually been banned? To be honest, you have to be going some to get banned on here, so it must have been personal or very nasty for an official ban.
If people have excluded themselves because they can't hold their position any more, or they have flounced....well....tough shit.
As it is THM I think you're the only one holding the red white and blue line right now. FWIW, I genuinely think that the Brexit we are going to get is going to be so watered down that it is a deserved two fingers to the people who voted for it. The Trump-ites are also beginning to realise what an utter moron they've elected.
The alt-right have had their day, the grown ups will be back soon.
Cos it's a distraction from the actual issue of the brexit disaster that he's so keen to support.
No I pointed out Jambas mistakes too - and we engage off line now too. We still disagree on most things. You are not making another thing up too are you?
Anyway, enough before this gets out of hand.
In that case Danny we will both be happy
I expect much the same and keen for the uncertainty to end. Brexshit is a lose:lose. Both sides merely need to limit the damage. And the EU have other much bigger issues to address - € and why it's terminally fu@@ed
Oh and macron has some rioters to pacify too!
I find it very interesting that the term remoaners is still being used. Given the likelihood of difficulty the government will face when they try to force their 'vision' through the parliamentary process with their very shaky majority (not to mention the House of Lords) and the back tracking that will probably ensue, perhaps we need to change the terminology from remoaners to regainers. And maybe from leavers to grievers.
Oh and macron has some rioters to pacify too!
Somewhat [s]less[/s] fewer than expected.
For what it is worth, and read the thread and you’ll see my views and exchanges, I have also exchanged communication off thread, if not off line, with Jamba and he has been a gentleman in those discussions.
We disagree violently on Brexit, and I do understand why some on here get riled by him, but I think for the main our conversations have been respectful.
And he has been a thoroughly decent human being over one particular matter too.
And if you’re listening Jamba, you’re still a daft Brexy whom I will fight (figuratively) until my last breath. I also uphold your right to be a daft Brexy.
By the way, l could still see this coming out as technically leaving the EU while signing on for the 4 Freedoms and paying some club subs.
Which I could live with.
Clearly the loss of control over standards, regulations etc wouldn’t be great, but other than actually remaining, we loose that control anyway.
(Strange to think that the Brexies actually believe we'll have more control at the end of this, when one way or another it will be less.)
#brexitbetrayal still the funniest thing on Twitter right now
Jamba is polite and intelligent. I've conversed with many Brexies, he's a rare example.
I still haven't figured out what he's on though. He's bright, but nuts.
#brexitbetrayal still the funniest thing on Twitter right now
you made my day.
If uber can get 500,000 signatures in 48 hours so can we. #Brexitbetrayal
I can best describe #TheresaMay as a Rottweiler with no teeth. #Useless #Brexit #BrexitBetrayal #BrexitShambles
(my redaction)At a time when UK needs a churchillian Leader, we have two utterly ******* useless traitors. @theresa_may & @jeremycorbyn #BrexitBetrayal
This Brexit shambles is all double Dutch to me! #BrexitShambles #Brexitbetrayal #brexit #brexitspeech #lies #EU #StopBrexit #florencespeech
I voted to leave the EU, not cling onto it with my fingertips. #florencespeech
Disgusted with our politicians. Not worth cup of cold piss.
https://twitter.com/2010LeeHurst
Well he is funny.
Oops ze Germans agree with Macron, infact go further, Tories trashing their reputation abroad & at home
Tho obvs the Germans saying things they think important for own elections right now
Lee Hurst really doesn’t come across that well on his twitter feed now does he?
The comments were making "some" sense until we got this:
“Thank God, the EU is more unified than ever before.”
But the idea that the speech was going to give details is a laughable as the quote
Do you think he meant united not unified?
Grammatically and definition-wise I’d tend to agree.
Is it? No idea. How would you measure that? A referendum?
Not everything I post should be taken seriously.
It made me smile while half watching strictly on record !
Wild night eh?!?
Probably beats my night.
Though there is a second bottle of Fraoch in the fridge.
they're right, she didn't.
May hit the net, ball still firmly in UK's court.
To stretch the analogy, by asking for a transition without offering anything, she gave the EU an automatic serving machine.
I suspect it's all a build up to a toys out of pram walk-out.
I had to google Fraoch!!
Better than picture of mini THM this week with a can of McEwans Export. I had warned him how awful it was but he needed to try for himself
I am drinking Eden Mill gin which is rather nice
Worth googling, THM.
Jamba is polite and intelligent. I've conversed with many Brexies, he's a rare example.
I still haven't figured out what he's on though. He's bright, but nuts
You are right, he has always remained polite and he is undoubtedly intelligent. Nuts, no don't think so. It appears to me he finds something of advantage in Brexit to him, personally.
It appears to me he finds something of advantage in Brexit to him, personally.
As opposed to....?
As opposed to the country or the people in it, as a whole.
What does that mean? Nebulous comment.
And look ^ for how much self - interest is behind remoaning and the attempts to deny the wishes of the majority of voters.
Awesome 😉
I am very surprised THM needed this explaining to him
Were you really not aware not everyone was voting out of selfishness/self interest?
Cue - we should cancel brexshit despite more people feeling they wanted it because a minority view it not to be in their interests - blimey we have even had the price of Belgian chocolate as a reason to ignore a vote
But only one [s]side[/s] person is acting out of self interest. Remoaning gets better
[b]everyone[/b] was voting out of selfishness/self interest?
Both sides?
😉
I dont think people do that
I can even accept that some RW folk vote that way as they think it will be the best way to make everyone richer* as wealth trickles down or some such so not even all of those voters are doing it out of self interest
* you are probably an example of this
Said no one at all on this thread so you attack those straw men.But only one [s]side [/s]person is acting out of self interest. Remoaning gets better
People can act for selfless reasons - surely a religious person knows this ?
It's late.
This is silly.
Whole thread, really.
And shame if ooor old ed again (sorry) but look st this pearl
'mm suggesting British people boycott anything even vaguely connected to Brexit. And more generally draw in spending and save for hard times which asa bonus may result in an economic downturn that will sabotage Brexit.
But let's focus on Jambas instead 😉
You have to love this forum for the things it throws up!!!
Why the edit CPN?
This is a giggle thread now. The serious stuff ended a long time ago. It raises lots of smiles though!!! 😀
CaptainFlashheart - Member
It's late.This is silly.
Whole [s]thread[/s] referendum, really.
Ftfy 😉
Can I just say, I didn’t vote out of self interest. Brexit thus far (opening skirmishes as it were) has been very good for me financially and in terms of job interest.
If you want to stretch a point, you could I suppose say I’m interested in a society and economy that works for all. And I do think remaining in Europe will benefit our, and my, children.
But personally? It’s been fun and lucrative so far and that shows no sign of abating.
Still don’t want it thanks.
Note: I accept as THM has noted previously I’m not average. In what ways I’m not average can be left for another thread.
If you look to the American examples people vote to be worse off for a shot at the American dream that everyone can do anything when in fact the majority are stuck with what they were born into.
A lot of the Brexit lines were about that - I know people will suffer but it's for the greater good (undefined waffle about what that meant) all this without the shackles* BS and EU dragging us down etc. was there to make people feel like they could get more by simply abandoning the EU and doing what they had already been doing.
* Shackles like Employee Rights, Health, Safety and Environment, rational trade deals that protect members etc. (EU and US will struggle to do a deal as equals - doing a deal with a minor player is easy)
also for the benefit of THM's dogged defense and comparison as one of the people who called out Jamba on his constant stream of BS and clearly biased sources he never once admitted being incorrect, the best was to claim the facts were actually just opinions and should be treated as that. 99% of other posters when presented with a correction accepted that and moved along. The frankly pathetic fishing/patronising teacher act which appears to be done to make yourself look better and belittle others is just dull. It dilutes what you say the rest of the time.
The term remoaner is great though it's like a little Stop Reading Here Label...