[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Oh LOLz at Juncker trolling Brexiteers.

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And spot the slight difference in the French (and German) version.

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Notice him parroting the new Brexit line - Germany will save us after their election.

Speaking of which, here's Nige addressing AfD the other day. Whinging about EU flags at the proms while addressing a far right political party. You couldn't make him up.

It is hilarious that the Brexiters are now dependant on Germany from saving them from their own stupidity!

I thought it was us remoaners who couldnt let go, but the Brexies/ Tories are obsessed with contunially pumping out the same BS to the public, rather than being honest and admitting that compromises will have to be made all round

deadlydarcy - Member

Heard that too binbins - what a massive knobclanger.

that's a very affectionate saluation, are you two in a 'relationship', as well as double-teaming on this thread ?

We're very much in love

Is that relevant?

Anyway... have a listen to IDS's interview. I'd challenge anyone with anything between their ears to listen to it and feel anything other than a sense of impending doom that him, Redwood and the rest of the moon-units on the far right/loony tunes fringe of the Tory party are presently setting the Brexit agenda

The lunatics have truly taken over the asylum.

Remember when what now seems like a very very long time ago when Dave referred to UKIP as "fruitcakes", "loonies" and "closet racists"?

Have a look at those presently setting the Tory party/Government policy?

Ironic, isn't it?

Cheers Dave!

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Unemployment falls again, now 4.3%

[quote=binners ]Anyway... have a listen to IDS's interview. I'd challenge anyone with anything between their ears to listen to it [s]and feel anything other than a sense of impending doom that him, Redwood and the rest of the moon-units on the far right/loony tunes fringe of the Tory party are presently setting the Brexit agenda[/s]

One difficult task at a time.

Wheels off the DUP/ Tory alliance already 😆

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/dup-plans-to-vote-with-labour-on-nhs-pay-and-tuition-fees

Who will bet me that UK signs a free trade deal with Australia and NZ before he EU, £10 any takers ?

As many comemtators have pointed out the EU's €50bn-€100bn "Brexit Bill" shows the real cost of staying IN the EU

As for Turkey I don't recall anyone saying they would join "next year or even soon". Leave just pointed out they where in negotiations to join. As above Junker has NOT ruled out them joining. It was a legitimate issue as Leavers well knew we'd never be asked about them joining via a Referendum and we'd never get another Remain/Leave vote before they did either.

Junker will be remembered only as the man who lost the UK, probably whilst in a drunken stupor. At least the PM of Malta was honest enough to say it was a disaster the EU should have seen coming. Junker bet on Remain with his non-negotiation with Cameron and lost.

@Boarding it's a non-binding nothing vote. In any case May will lift the pay cap on the NHS before the next GE. Obvious that's going to happen, electoral politics

@slowoldman zero hours contracts need to be dealt with (my Son in Law is on one and is very happy with it so its bot all doom and gloom). Anyay 4.% UK unemployment of 9.75% in France with 20% youth unemployment. Also zero hours contracts MUCH easier to enforce when you have unlimited cheap and willing labour from the EU

lso zero hours contracts MUCH easier to enforce when you have unlimited cheap and willing labour from the EU

cite?

Woods and trees.....

ZHC < 3% of UK employment
Suits some of those on ZHCs
Why all the fuss?

Don't sweat(shop) the small stuff
We will be complaining about foreign workers next?

Like Comrade Jammers, Citizen (Iain Duncan) Smith was extolling his new found regard for the wage rates and working conditions of the poor indiginous UK working Classes this morning.

It was really, really convincing. Not once did he mention forced labour or workhouses

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As pointless as it is pointing out to you when you're lying...

As for Turkey I don't recall anyone saying they would join "next year or even soon". Leave just pointed out they where in negotiations to join.

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Jamba do you have any idea what a free trade deal with NZ and Oz will do to British agriculture?

"Dem NZ sheep's is proper cheap"

Oh and beef and cereals...

But not to worry the Tories will pay them £1000 @ yard (metre) for planting hedges

Even more convincing as IDS's hand-wringing over the poor working classes is Goves new-found eco-warrior credentials. It's nice to see him seeing farmers as stewards of our green and pleasant land. I suspect he's presently working hard to put a stop to fracking and reinstate onshore wind farms.

While growing his dreads and buying tie-dye clothing

[quote=jambalaya ]@Boarding it's a non-binding nothing vote.

Nothing more than a polling of opinion you might say, which wiser heads should be free to ignore?

As for Turkey I don't recall anyone saying they would join "next year or even soon". Leave just pointed out they where in negotiations to join.

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The EU and Australia already have an agreement, Jamba, the 2008 EU-Australian Partnership Framework. So that's £10 to Amnesty International please.

Did you stop to think before posting that Ed?

Be careful when you google...she can be a fickle friend

zero hours contracts need to be dealt with

Understood properly?

binners - Member

Like Comrade Jammers, Citizen (Iain Duncan) Smith was extolling his new found regard for the wage rates and working conditions of the poor indiginous UK working Classes this morning.

Are you against raising the minimum wage to £9 binners?
That is what Smith is celebrating in the picture isn't it?
How much do you earn binners?

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Are you against raising the minimum wage to £9 binners?
That is what Smith is celebrating in the picture isn't it?

That same budget he's celebrating cut £12bn from the welfare budget, mostly via tax credits

Example at the time was that single mum with 2 kids would lose twice as much as she'd get from the minimum wage rise.

Not long later he resigned with a legacy of benefit sanctions piling misery on the poorest, the bedroom tax and his crowning achievement Universal Credit- I know someone called in to troubleshoot the IT, project, he quit as the targets set by IDS office combined with the contacts negotiated with the IT suppliers made it impossible to make it work.

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4500248772/Universal-Credit-costs-leap-by-more-than-20-to-158bn

It's already late, currently the government reckon it will be another 5 years before it's rolled out, but every year that estimate gets put out further.

Those working on it have admitted it could be decades before it's set up properly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38905930

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41226942
Memorials to those killed by benefit reforms

http://calumslist.org

It's already cost over a billion and who knows what the final bill will be.

IDS has to be ranked as one of the most incompetent ministers in a generation.
That he then had the front to campaign for Brexit is amazing, considering that the backlash against the Government that helped the leave vote was fueled by his own disastrous tenure, that he didn't even have the courage to try and see through.

I don't like IDS, he's a clueless dick

European Commission site, THM. As you're a Google fan, copy into the search box.

I don't like IDS

Neither do I, but that wasn't what my post was about.
binners has a habit of using pictures out of context, to suit his agenda.
[i]Quite a lot like[/i] Farage with the very Nazi propaganda inspired poster binners then went on to post.

Has anyone seen binners and Farage in the same room...? 🙂

I am well aware of the source of your mis-information and false claim for £10 Ed

My question still stands.........did you?

https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/09/12/london-sewer-found-clogged-dreams-young/amp/

The Indy is even funnier kimbers. Under headlines about thousands backing a secondary ref vote they forget to some basic maths

7000 as a %age of 17,400,000ish is..... quality journalism

jambalaya - Member

Who will bet me that UK signs a free trade deal with Australia and NZ before he EU, £10 any takers ?

I'll take you up on that but not for money - for a nice forfeit. I'll post a pic of me in a union jack hat and IDS teeshirt or similar right wing apparal

YOu have to post one in a suitable leftie outfit - perhaps a nice lenin t shirt hugging a picture of castro 🙂

🙂 that's a quality idea

@kimbers my point is is much easier to enforce zero hours contracts on your workers if there is an effectively unlimited supply of cheap (and desperate) labour on your doorstep. Sports Direct is a perfect example.

Turkey is joining the EU, well certainly was prior to Erdogan's latest crackdown, they had ongoing negotiations a "check list" to meet, fast track visa / freedom to travel and they where getting EU financial aid to help them on their way. The only real question was when. Junker hasn't said never, he's just thrown out some cheap words which will be water off a ducks back to Erdogan. Meanwhile Europe pays €9bn for Turkey to police it's border with the Europe

Junker's speech was a peach, the responce to Brexit and widespread critism of the EU is of course [b]much more union[/b]. Giving up your currency traps you inside the EU, opponents of Le Pen had good reason to point out that leaving the euro would (certainly could IMO if not handled properly) bankrupt French banks. Hence Junker is very keen everyone should join - get people locked in with no route to escape. One super powerful President, the whole EU Army project accelerated and banking union (ie no control over your own banks - obviously a good idea with some nations but paves the way for collective responsibility for sovereign debt accross fhe EU.

The thought of people working together for a better world doesn't appeal?

Considering how insanely expensive a military is to run ( just look at our empty aircraft carriers, underequipped army, I've stood on the empty cruise missile bay in A T45 destroyer, it was a gym as we can't afford the launchers or the missiles) euro army would be great, share the cost of trident etc

A Europe wide FBI is long overdue, remarkably, we are threatening to use security cooperation as a Brexit bargaining chip !?!

Junker's speech was a peach

It's certainly trolled the shit out of you 😆

Nige is spot on here. IF the EU tries what Junker is proposing the anti EU "populist" wave will only have just begun

That's the populist anti-eu wave that Wilders and LePen promised us? 😆

Oh and AfD are going to sweep Germany too yes?

Comedy gold jamba 😆 Keep going - you're on a roll today. When is Turkey joining again?

The thought of people working together for a better world doesn't appeal?

I am most definitely good with that. A reformed UN would be a good place to start. Also no EU involvement just the sovereign member states. IMO the EU has F-ed up pretty much everything it has got it's hands on making "it's world" a worse place.

The thought of people working together for a better world doesn't appeal?

as part of that EU superstate you keep denying is on the cards??

An EU army is a big mistake - conflicts with Nato and Russia is not going to be happy that a major new army will be on its doorstep - one that the actions of cannot be vetoed by any EU member state.

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Yes, I'm sure Russia would rather not have a major army of any kind "on its doorstep."
In fact, European states cooperating in anything is hardly welcomed by Russia.

Nige is spot on here. IF the EU tries what Junker is proposing the anti EU "populist" wave will only have just begun

The EU HAS to do what Junker is suggesting otherwise it will fail. Monetary Union and a common currency require fiscal and political union otherwise it doesn't work. So he is spot on. The deceit of Europe has been to pretend this in not required with the obvious and well-documented negative results.

Don't forget we were/are not members of the EZone - we were observers of the above and had NO financial responsibilities towards EZ financial liabilities. That was a Brexshit lie

THM - honestly, honesty and reason! You do know telling the truth is never going to work.
On the other hand +1

Don't worry the remoaner tag team will be back to batlle it out with Jambas soon

Just a temporary pause