Corbyn will Corbyn until the Labour Party sees the chance for power by stopping/limiting/stringing out Brexit.
hmm. corbyn's party don't have the stomach from brexit. corbyn might but that may well be irrelevant.
may's problem is that the majority of tory members want brexit, and even if may went, another post turtle would go up in her place to see through what the swivel-eyed loons want.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-government-eu-migration-impact-september-2018-amber-rudd-home-secretary-a7862201.html ]Still getting the piano up the stairs ok?[/url]
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Ms Rudd this week said that the flow of EU workers will continue for an “implementation period” after Brexit
Are Amber Rudd and Brandon Lewis disagreeing with each other then?
I heard BL say there would be no transition period.
As with everything else, just remember Michel Barnier's description of where the UK negotiating team are
"no coherent position'
As summarised by [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/27/hardliners-soft-brexit-tough-negotiate-properly ]Simon Jenkins[/url] in todays Guardian
[i]At last the fog is starting to clear around Britain’s Brexit negotiating position. The cloud is lifting, and we can see what lies beyond. It is nothing. There is no negotiating position. There is just an unbridgeable gap between idea and practicality. [/i]
shock horror, is this a surprise to anyone? Racists have been given free reign.
And more evidence for the way the UK is split, forward and backward, remainers and brexiteers.
I guess if you do the same for hanging you will get a similar split.
Sat in a US B&B the other day chatting with this American guy and his wife, he was telling me he thought leaving the E.U would be good for us etc. Okay.
He left the room saying you only you only need two things in life - "Guns n' Jesus."
From Waco, Texas.
So the government are commissioning a study into migration.
Given it will be largely based on previous studies, there's a good chance it will say migration from the EEA is generally positive, while other immigration is less so. Based on tonight's PM.
Also it will say the effect on wages is three times smaller than the inflationary erosion of wages caused by Brexit.
Don't argue with those statements - they're possible not definite.
But if that is what it says, what then? All hell breaks loose whatever the government do I think.
All going swimmingly then. What's the plan ? are we deporting all illegal immigrants? How are we dealing with all the ex-pats when they get sent home by the EU?
Typical gov response - let's [s]delay this as long as poss[/s] call for a new study
Errr, we know the answers already - and yes they are the opposite to what the Brexshiteers claim
1. Immigrants make a positive net contribution to UK economy
2. Immigrants from the EU make a higher net contribution than non-EU immigrants
What else do we need to know? The colour of their underpants??
Typical gov response - let's delay this as long as poss call for a new study
Why not waste some more A50 time, by doing things that should have been done before.
It has been done before. Many times. We know the answer and hence why rejecting FoM is bonkers
The 4 freedoms are the best, probably the only, bits of the EU that are important
THM - agreed.
But now they are going to have their own study tell them (with 6 months to run) not to stop FoM.
Is this an advanced form of masochism? Are they intending to follow the report's recommendations in the national interest? Or are they as you say bonkers?
(You may not actually have said that, but I liked the flow)
Of course if they can get the [s]public[/s] Mail to accept FoM of Labour, then the other 3 FoMs probably get kept anyway don't they. That can't be the intention can it?
Are we observing brinksmanship or incompetence?
Watching channel 4 news, Michel Barnier hasn't actually used the word omnishambles yet, but I think it's safe to say it's implied.
Binners - new word. 😉
[b]brexishambles[/b] - a situation which makes an omnishambles look preferable
I am being careful with my words in case the under-bridge dwellers are lurking. It must be about feeding time and I'm on the train!
Kept my head down today trying to work out how bad the UK slowdown is actually going to be. About to upset a few with the conclusions 😉
My views on the opposition to FoM and immigration are well known.
Don't worry Hurty. These three have assured us once again that everythings going just fine...
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And who would doubt in their abilities?
THM, careful now, you're sounding like you actually do think brexit is a bad idea.
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IT is, but I hold a minority view.
IT is, but I hold a minority view
Held.
Now you're not necessarily in the minority. 😉
So now they don't even know how many students are in the country.
The Westminster omnishambles rumbles on.
Remind me who was the Home Secretary that gutted the passport office and border security....
what was your last ban for? over politeness or trolling someone with constant personal attacks?I am being careful with my words in case the under-bridge dwellers are lurking. It must be about feeding time and I'm on the train!
Your ability to see in others that which you fail to see in your self is rather endearing.
Hoping to press the button on two hires tomorrow - an Italian and a ****stani on a visa - hope they can make it and are equally productive.
Better get it all done quickly ...
Just in time for the next election, assuming the EU agree. Obviously to have a transition deal implies transitioning from one environment to another.
transitioning from one transition to another most likely.
It's increasingly sounding like one option is the special-non-member-with-all-obligations-and-privileges-of-member deal that I proposed right at the start. AKA let's pretend we've left and the brexiteers probably won't notice.
transitioning from one transition to another most likely.
The Hotel California Brexit.... hmm
I think the summary, you created this mess, now clean it up.
Love it. "The Irish Sea looks like a natural border. Shall we use that?*"
"Boom" said the DUP
*note - this may not actually have been said - though the DUP do seem to have reacted to it.
[url= https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-long-term-economic-impact-of-eu-membership-and-the-alternatives ]HM Treasury report[/url] from April 2016. Has it been mentioned here before? I don't recall it.
"The Treasury’s analysis shows that the UK would be permanently poorer if it left the EU and adopted any of these models".
Many, many times and misquoted nearly even time - especially by the more vocal remoaners.
There has NOT been a full detailed study into migration as past Governments are well aware that results won't be what they want.
Migration is positive is a VERY broadbrush statement. It's positive in the US, Australia and the UK. Even when you look into EU migration you can make a broad positive statement thats it's "positive" but that hides a significant disparity between that from the relatively wealthy western EU states (generally qualified people taking well paid jobs) and those from the A10/8 more recent joiner states who are much more likely to claim in work benefits.
It's a very simple and incontrovertible fact that if uncontrolled immigration is "good" then controlled immigration will be better. My view is uncontrolled immigration is very cleary not good in particular when the countries concerned have vastly differing levels of prosperity. Jeremy Corbyn gets this and made a direct comment about it on Andrew Marr last week.
I see from the pages before we still have the classic Remainer holy than thou, we are more intelligent etc nonsense.
Untrue. I have linked to several earlier in this thread. Ths studies have been done and we know that the benefits are positive.
Corbyn is a protectionist
It's a very simple and incontrovertible fact that if uncontrolled immigration is "good" then controlled immigration will be better.
I love assertions presented as "facts".
That statement is, as made, simply nonsense.
I reckon you would throw someone out of your office who made that kind of ridiculous statement in a business pitch. I would.
It may be that controlled migration is better (for a start you would probably want a skills demographic in line with the local population rather than one biased to high or low skills) - but it is not "a very simple and incontrovertible fact". That's a "let's ignore the evidence, I know better" type statement.
Agreed Jamba?
As for this statement...
I see from the pages before we still have the classic Remainer holy than thou, we are more intelligent etc nonsense.
I won't respond in kind. I will rise above that sort of stuff. 😉
It's a very simple and incontrovertible fact that if uncontrolled immigration is "good" then controlled immigration will be better
Still having trouble with facts I see. Controlled immigration could easily be worse;
- Increased bureaucracy/levels of staffing
- Holding up the immigrants required for jobs meaning many business with too few workers
- Putting people off due to above and working elsewhere
Easier to just leave as is and take the small negatives as they are.
igm - MemberLove it. "The Irish Sea looks like a natural border. Shall we use that?*"
"Boom" said the DUP*note - this may not actually have been said - though the DUP do seem to have reacted to it.
Well not quite, but of course the DUP have to be seen to react angrily to the idea of [i](gasp!!)[/i] an island Ireland. After all, they campaigned to leave, for no apparent reason whatsoever other than that mystery £500,000 donation. They're now locked in some kind of circular straw man argument - an "Irish Sea Border" would harm northern Irish businesses.
But 61% of NI trade is with the EU (not to mention 87% of NI farm income dependant on EU subsidies) and over half of that is directly with the Republic.
Can't have a hard border because that's a surefire way to reignite the troubles, and a digital border won't work.
A sea border is the only option that makes sense, but then it would mean the DUP took a giant step towards a united Ireland, and further dissolution of the UK for the princely sum of £500,000.
mrmo - MemberI think the summary, you created this mess, now clean it up.
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Pretty much.
A sea border is the only option that makes sense, but then it would mean the DUP took a giant step towards a united Ireland, and further dissolution of the UK for the princely sum of £500,000.
I don't think anyone ever suggested the DUP weren't interested in being bought.
Love it from Bertie Ahern describing the possibility of Ireland following the UK in leaving the EU.
"We're mad but we're not [i]that[/i] mad!"
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It's a very simple and incontrovertible fact that if uncontrolled immigration is "good" then controlled immigration will be better.
I'm quite surprised that jambalaya thinks that the big bad govt will do a good job of ensuring that the right people come to this country, versus letting the free market work its magic. I, in contrast, think that if a govt of any colour attempts to set quotas for particular types of immigrant, it is likely to bollocks it up hugely.
igmI don't think anyone ever suggested the DUP weren't interested in being bought.
No of course not. There's no doubt they were bought. I believe they took that money under the assumption (like many) that the Brexit vote would fail, so it was just a handy wee earner. When the dust cleared, you have to ask how or why anyone could conceivably make a pro-brexit argument for Northern Ireland, it's a lose lose situation.
What I'm saying is they took an illogical stance (pro brexit) and now they have to take another illogical stance (anti Irish Sea border) in order to avoid a potential reality where that £500,000 brings us closer to a united Ireland.
jimjam - I'm not disagreeing with you. It's my whimsically cynical side showing.
Or is it cynically whimsical?
Did anyone see newsnight yesterday?, the ranty Tory MEP - she seemed to be based in an alternate world, they just talked over her in the end.
Was regarding the damage that Brexit looks set to do to aerospace industry and aviation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40743826
The focus always seems to be on economics. But how about real people's lives. This is one of the most truly depressing things I've ever read
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/28/brexit-the-eu-nationals-exiting-britain-a-bit-of-me-is-dying-but-i-cant-stay ]The EU nationals already leaving in droves[/url]
What it says about our country, and what it has become over the last 12 months shames us all. Forget the figures and statistics, this documents a retreat into insular, swivel-eyed, backward gazing nationalism. It's an embarrassment!
Yes work with m any European scientists who are incredibly anxious about the future here, most already making their exit plans
Eurotunnel implied FX rate £1 = 1.40€ 😯
UK paid crossing £102, Euro paid crossing 143€ Same crossing checked on UK and French website, to be neutral it should be around 114€