Oh, the ZM are back…
In my view life will go back to normality minus the insufferable EU bureaucratic ZM nosing around.
If I was ever unsure that I'd backed the right horse...
igm - Member
Chewkw - nice one. I like a bit of humour.For the avoidance of doubt, Brexit has already failed it's just some of you are in denial. Keep smiling Brexies.
EU bureaucratic system is in slow motion clash. Deny it as much as you want by putting whatever spins you want. It's a Major problem in itself. If Italy is asking for help you know the entire system is in deep shite. A sovereign nation like Italy cannot decide and needs the help of EU ... they know they are in deep shite. Very deep. Italy has completely loss the control to deal with issues without the fear of not consulting EU bureaucrats.
Greetings comrade. Comdrade. 😆kelvin - Member
Oh, the ZM are back…
If you are betting on EU ZM bureaucratic system, then that's the worst horse you can bet on. 😛Cougar - Moderator
In my view life will go back to normality minus the insufferable EU bureaucratic ZM nosing around.
If I was ever unsure that I'd backed the right horse...
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Is chewie back?
dannyh - Member
Yeah, sorry - I couldn't resist a cheap-shot.
No probs - it made me smile.
IBM's WebSphere 6.1 going out of service in 2018) that are driving recruitment
Lots of other things driving recruitment as well, but whilst it always appears that these things will come to an end, there is always something that comes along to take their place.
Shortage of compliance staff has been a recurring theme ever since Big Bang which caused the first significant recruitment drive in this area. This was a result of all the new regulations introduced as a result of the Thatcher deregulation (which has always been a misnomer as it involved a completely new regulatory environment)
😛dannyh - Member
Is chewie back?
Indeed lets focus on 3% of total employment
Are you new here!?
Both Fox and Corbyn spouting sh1te about Brexshit on Marr this morning - amazingly Corbyn making Fox seem more sensible.
Jezza really needs to get his mind sorted on what FoM means, otherwise the fake stance becomes even more obvious, At lead the old boy is clear about his dislike for the basic idea of deregulated, freer markets across the zone. He really doesn't like Europe does he!?!
Budget defict up hugely. that austerity plan is wortking nicely isn't it. More bad news 'cos of wanting to leave the EU
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/21/uk-budget-deficit-inflation-government-borrowing
Financial services firms moving out of the UK
http://uk.businessinsider.com/ey-rise-in-firms-moving-jobs-out-of-uk-over-brexit-2017-5
http://uk.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-brexit-jobs-relocation-2017-4
Then we have the utter disaster of the negotiations where the UK is making no headway at all - because of the idiocy of the tories and their stupid red lines that put the EU in an impossible situation as the tories wish list is incompatible with EU law
UK pensioners are going to lose their reciprocal health rights
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/18/retired-britons-eu-return-campaigners-pensioners-spain-healthcare
Its much worse than a fiasco - its an unmitigated omnishambles verging of clusterfart
"clusterfart" ?
Sadly it'll leave a much greater order of ordure than that 😆
didn't want to get done for swear filter avoidence
I think clusterfart should be a word anyway. I have certainly done it.
(If you must know I was trying to sidle out of a crowded room without anyone noticing)
A bit like Davies at the brexit negotiations (edit)
Its much worse than a fiasco - its an unmitigated omnishambles verging of clusterfart
Well it certainly seems that way when you overstate your sources, which are predominantly opinion pieces. 😉
didn't want to get done for swear filter avoidence
It's in the swear filter, gets replaced:
bit of a mess
sbob - its all bad news and undeniable. There is no doubt at all the adverse effects are already showing and its only just started. financial services is most troublesome as thats where we earn money to reduce the balance of payments deficit.
All these adverse effects are real and increasing each week
got any good news to counter the bad? After all according to the leavers its an opportunity - so lets hear some good news thats happening because of leaving the EU
tjagain - Membersbob - its all bad news and undeniable.
No it isn't undeniable. It's bordering on hysterical (and reminds me of my ageing mother).
TJ says: "Financial services firms moving out of the UK"
TJ's source says: "Notably though, the majority of firms are maintaining their commitment to the UK, and still talking about moving only the resources necessary to maintain a smooth service for their clients"
And I could go on.
If things are as bad as STW's protagonists make out, then they would be mad and/or stupid to remain in the country.
Put your money where your mouth is, I'm looking forward to some very quiet trails... 🙂
then they would be mad and/or stupid to remain in the country.
If only we had freedom of movement and guaranteed rights...
Good news - Brexshit hasn't happened yet
Bad news - Blame Brexshit
Logical conclusion - what a load of BS 😉
molgrips - MemberIf only we had freedom of movement and guaranteed rights...
Still worth it molgrips, the grass is greener, everywhere!
Remember that emigration did exist before the formation of the EU, it's made me the mongrel that I am today! 🙂
sbob - so actually you have no good news about leaving the EU despite it being a clear obvious and undeniable stream of bad news but all you can do is nitpick to try to downplay the bad news.
As for the financial services we know from reports that firms are moving jobs out of the country to either frankfurt of Dublin.
Frankfurt’s attempt to become the EU’s pre-eminent post-Brexit financial centre received another boost on Thursday as more details emerged of plans by Deutsche Bank and Citigroup to beef up their operations in the German financial capital.In a video published on Thursday, Deutsche Bank chief executive John Cryan has told staff that Germany’s biggest bank will begin to book the “vast majority” of the assets in its UK global markets business to Frankfurt.
Jim Cowles, Citigroup’s Europe, Middle East and Africa chief, told his staff the bank had decided to base its EU broker dealer — its main trading operation — in Frankfurt, but would scatter some other businesses across Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin, Luxembourg and Madrid.
https://www.ft.com/content/1b38eb1a-6d55-11e7-b9c7-15af748b60d0
Ooh, let's play newspaper cuttings - choose you rag to suit your position
Torygraph/Brexshit bugle - remoaners beware, it's all going swimmingly
FT/EU 4 Ever - its all a disaster, blame it on Brexshit (even though it hasn't happened yet apparently)
Evenign Standard/Gideon's gobshite - Theresa sacked me, so she is going to get it in the neck every day. Just you watch ...
The first lesson for historians - remember the source - when, who, why, what for etc.. Then assess its value.
this is six month old - the situation will only get worse
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-14/brexit-costs-u-k-82-billion-in-lost-company-spending-studyU.K. businesses have delayed or canceled investments worth 65.5 billion pounds ($82 billion) since the vote to leave the European Union, with more than 40 percent of large companies scaling back, according to a new survey.Executives have been reluctant to follow through on spending plans because of a plunge in the pound and a lack of clarity over the U.K.’s future relationship with the EU, according to the study published Monday by the Centre for Economics and Business Research and Hitachi Capital U.K.
We're doooomed, were doooooooomed I tell ye.
Here in the soon to be Independent Yorkshire it's all lovely.
tjagain - Membersbob - so actually you have no good news about leaving the EU despite it being a clear obvious and undeniable stream of bad news but all you can do is nitpick to try to downplay the bad news.
Hallelujah!
I do find it amazing that you lack the basic comprehension skills to read my position, which I have stated clearly, yet still retain the intelligence to work it out from the rest of my posts.
Quite bizarre.
And I'm not nitpicking to downplay the bad news, I'm merely calling out your sensationalism. Repeating the word "undeniably" does not make things so.
As for the financial services we know from reports that firms are moving jobs out of the country
Which is quite different to stating that firms are moving out of the country. 💡
sbob - so you agree with me then? Its an unmitigated disaster?
Or do you have some positives to show?
and yes - you are nitpicking because you know I am right and you have nothing to counter this with
Now according to the leavers its a huge opportunity - so lets see some good news from this huge opportunity?
If things are as bad as STW's protagonists make out, then they would be mad and/or stupid to remain in the country
Most people have no choice.
TJ's source says: "Notably though, the majority of firms are maintaining their commitment to the UK, and still talking about moving only the resources necessary to maintain a smooth service for their clients"
So that's a good thing, is it?
Gotta love it, the response to "we're completely screwed" is "don't exaggerate, we're only partially screwed."
Gotta love it, the response to "we're completely screwed" is "don't exaggerate, we're only partially screwed."
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Yay, the pool is much more fun when everyone jumps in!
If the shoe was on the other foot there would be immediate cries of #jambafact and #fakenews. 💡
Remember that emigration did exist before the formation of the EU
Yes but on what terms? There are for example Brits in America, but that does not mean that any Brit can simply go there and work.
If the shoe was on the other foot there would be immediate cries of #jambafact
No, lots of people are wrong and get challenged on here. Only Jambalaya has his own hashtag though due to the scale of his denial. Like that guy in the Iraq war who claimed the Iraqis were winning as US tanks rolled past in the background. What was his name again?
Only if it was a jsambafact - whereas I put my sources that show that despite this just being the beginning its an utter disaster in the making - and worse than it could of been due to the incompetence of the tories.
~for example - the fall in EU nurses coming to the UK to work is real, its really damaging and its happening.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/12/96-drop-in-eu-nurses-registering-to-work-in-britain-since-brexit-vote
So obvious innit ...
EU bureaucratic negotiation tactic is very simple, they just want UK to agree to all their demands (thrown in the kitchen sink, bathtub etc count every penny and make it as difficult as possible). 😆
The entire process is a bit like haggling at street stores in some countries. They escalate the price to 200% hopefully to settle at 150%.
I see them coming ... 😆
worse than it could of been due to the incompetence of the tories.
Could [b]have[/b] been.
Sorry Danny * hangs head in shame*
I don't normally do that - I know its "have"
So obvious innit ...EU bureaucratic negotiation tactic is very simple, they just want UK to agree to all their demands (thrown in the kitchen sink, bathtub etc count every penny and make it as difficult as possible).
Sure. It's plain as the nose on your face that it's in the EU's best interest not to give us a great exit deal. If they did give us one, then all the other member countries would have the same idea and the EU would implode. It simply can't happen for that reason alone, the notion that can we have all of the benefits we currently enjoy with none of the drawbacks is an impossible fantasy.
To use your analogy, it's more like haggling with the cashier at Tesco. You want 40p off a price of milk, the cashier tells you that's the price, take it or leave it. So you go "fine, I'll shop at the petrol station then" only to find that the petrol station is five miles away, their milk is 30p dearer and it tastes funny.
Tesco - er, I mean, the EU holds all the cards in this "negotiation." May and Davis's claims about how they're going to secure a great deal is deluded at best and potentially wilfully misleading, and that's before you've taken into account either of them's negotiating skills.
Hang on, if membership of the EU is a no brainer and Brexshit (already apparently) can only be an unmitigated disaster, why would all the other members have the same idea (self harm) and the (excellent) EU implode? That defies logic.
No wonder we lost the argument if this is what we come up with...
You're being disingenuous. The point made was that if everyone could enjoy the benefits of the EU without (for example) having to contribute financially or accept freedom of movement, they'd all quit, and the EU would implode, as you put it.
Cougar - Moderator
Sure. It's plain as the nose on your face that it's in the EU's best interest not to give us a great exit deal. If they did give us one, then all the other member countries would have the same idea and the EU would implode. It simply can't happen for that reason alone, the notion that can we have all of the benefits we currently enjoy with none of the drawbacks is an impossible fantasy.
I really doubt UK is asking for a free ride out coz that's simply not how things work. However, to inflate the cost etc just to prevent others from following the UK footsteps, only means the EU bureaucrats themselves have no confident whatsoever in their own bureaucratic system. Also if they are using UK as example to prevent other EU nations leaving then there is a lot to say about a system (EU bureaucratic) in demise, but trying to hang on to power.
That's one reason why the EU Bureaucratic system is in a process of imploding, which is inevitable, but people are still indecisive until there is no turning back.
Not really, but keep telling yourself that.
The main reason why the.EU might implode is the €
Otherwise it has a lot of merits, or I thought that was our argument
That defies logic.
Only if you don't actually read what I wrote.
I really doubt UK is asking for a free ride out coz that's simply not how things work.
Quite. Though we seem to be expecting it, depending on who you speak to and the phase of the moon.
However, to inflate the cost etc just to prevent others from following the steps,
I wasn't suggesting they would be inflating the price (that was you, remember). "Free" and "inflated prices" aren't the only two possibilities.
Del - MemberNot really, but keep telling yourself that.
Greece is the first example.
Italy will follow slowly.
The evidence is right in front of your face but you just deny it.
