Gove !
Yeah, I'm not gonna do that to myself on a pleasant sunny Sunday morning
Watching Run The Jewels Glasto set on iPlayer with the babies is far more pleasant
Enjoy Kimbers, off for a dark side ride - tough choice between golf, MTB or road!!!
New Survation poll (July 1st, 2017):
Leave: 46% (-3)
Remain: 54% (+3)
60% also want to keep EU citizenship and are willing to pay for it
cloudnine - Member
New Survation poll (July 1st, 2017):
Leave: 46% (-3)
Remain: 54% (+3)
but but but... democwasay... 😆
Yeah, don't get too excited yet. Not that clear to the man in the street what an utter bit of a mess this is going to be. It couldl take another 6-12 mo at least before it's really obvious.
Michel Barnier was on Europe 1 this morning. The man can talk the talk and has clear objectives. He's going to run rings around the Briexit crew.
THM - just think, if the Scots referendum had gone the other way part of the negotiations on independence would have been who got Gove.
Gary Lineker retweeted this which about sums it up - is GL aiming to be the English Macron ....
IGM based on much of the ^, if the S ref had gone the other way, it would have been ignored anyway on ten grounds it was based in the same BS as Brexshit. Isn't that how it's meant to work??
Actually, a trade of Gove v outstanding debt would have left rUK quids in 😉
Hot work out riding today - and there sets if tennis later. Time for an ice bath....
Michael is back 🙂
No access to our inshore waters from 6-12 miles. Warning shot imo to EU about the full 200 miles of territorial waters. Banks will move a few staff or sign a fronting (white labelling) agreement and carry on as normal. What are the Spanish and French going to do about 1000's of fishing boats and associated factories processing factories ?
As for opinion polls 85% of people voted for manifestos ending freedom of movemnet, membership of the single market and an exit of the customs union. Something like 594 MPs out of 650. Corbyn sacked the Shadow Cabinet members who voted for the (heavily defeated) "soft Brexit" amendments.
@Edukator no one, certainly not me, doubts the EU politicians can talk and get fabulously well paid for it. The EU wrote A50 to cut off all payments after 2 years as they assumed a net recipient would leave. They have been hoisted by their own pitard. Barnier is screwed, the EU are desperate for the money and Greece (and Italy) are going to haunt them all through A50. France is going to have plenty of strikes and civil unrest as Macron seeks to implement his austerity / budget cuts and changes to employment law. The EU should be focusing on the migrant crises and eurozone disaster, both are more pressing than Brexit.
Warning shot imo to EU
I'd imagine you found that quite engorging.
Michel Barnier was on Europe 1 this morning. The man can talk the talk and has clear objectives. He's going to run rings around the Briexit crew
The EU have spent the last 12 months patiently setting out their priorities and assessing the various potential outcomes, utilising their army of experienced diplomats & trade negotiators to the full.
The UK has spent the last 12 months watching its politicians stab each other in the back and make huge miscalculations- culminating in May losing her majority and desperately signing a pact with the most bigoted politicians in the UK, Davis, Johnson, May, Fox & Hammond all pulling in different directions, humiliatingly kissing trumps arse, the nation now even more divided, Davis incompetence and lack of a plan exposed regularly in front of the Brexit select committee, all led by a Prime Minister of empty soundbites, hated by the entire country, including her own party!, who's actually managed to make Cameron look competent....
I'm not sure that it could more one sided
l 200 miles of territorial waters.
which would infringe on the coast of France, Ireland, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Denmark and most probably Norway, how is that going to work?
Ooh let's all fire warning shots, frap frap frap hhhnnngggnnnngggggghhhhaaaarrrrggghhhhh
So it turns out we could address fisheries without leaving the EU Jamba. Well I never...
Brexit really is daft.
Wot these guys said
Ooh let's all fire warning shots, frap frap frap hhhnnngggnnnngggggghhhhaaaarrrrggghhhhh
And importantly, remember Iceland won the cod wars, and this was when the UK had a far bigger navy.
Also something to consider, why don't the Netherlands scrap the treaty of Utrecht. It is old and basically irrelevant to the modern world.... Who is going to complain??
A warning shot to the EU really is like ordering your mate out of the tent, farting like a champion and then sitting in it, defiantly.
Can we keep it polite please people. A premier subscription depends on it.
The windows have shattered and the ceiling has fallen in.
The Economist nails it again.
And importantly, remember Iceland won the cod wars, and this was when the UK had a far bigger navy.
They've got a museum exhibition on board one of the retired Icelandic coastguard ships to it in Reykjavik. Essentially the moral of the story is that cold, hard cash beats frap-tastic jingo-tasic Jamabalya-esque Nationalism.
The EU should be focusing on the migrant crises and eurozone disaster, both are more pressing than Brexit.
Quite. Lucky there isn't a rush for us to get a deal sorted and we didn't waste any time since delivering A50...
As for opinion polls 85% of people voted for manifestos ending freedom of movemnet, membership of the single market and an exit of the customs union. Something like 594 MPs out of 650. Corbyn sacked the Shadow Cabinet members who voted for the (heavily defeated) "soft Brexit" amendments.
and yet when asked specifically
cloudnine - Member
New Survation poll (July 1st, 2017):
Leave: 46% (-3)
Remain: 54% (+3)
Does that tell you that the GE was not a single issue election?
Election result was much more a tory out vote than anything else, probbaly because if Brexit is ineveitable the majority do not trust May, Gove, BoJo etc to handle anything without flouncing
Italy now have massive problem with illegal migrants ... 😯
Humanitarian problem? More like force entry into EU.
They are aggressive now that the floor gate has opened.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40470102 ]BBC News: Europe migrant crisis: Italy threatens to close ports as ministers meet[/url]
A combine [b]population of nearly 440 million[/b] ... how many millions do you want? 😯
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More cheery reading...
Nipper99 - Member
More cheery reading...
The article is trying to tell everyone to have a lifestyle change. i.e. not to live beyond own means. 😛
The article is trying to tell everyone to have a lifestyle change. i.e. not to live beyond own means.
Yep you are right, the good times are over.. We are heading to the american model, so bye bye workplace and health protection for any but the wealthiest. Perhaps we will go back to it being wonderful like in the 60s and 70s
[url= http://www.****/news/article-3271583/A-bleak-portrait-Dickensian-poverty-Glasgow-s-slums-1970s-Photos-families-living-one-room-without-running-water-electricity-rats-rubble-50-years-ago.html ]Poverty in Glasgow[/url]
[quote=jambalaya ]As for opinion polls 85% of people voted for manifestos ending freedom of movemnet, membership of the single market and an exit of the customs union.
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cornholio98 - Member
The article is trying to tell everyone to have a lifestyle change. i.e. not to live beyond own means.Yep you are right, the good times are over.. We are heading to the american model, so bye bye workplace and health protection for any but the wealthiest. Perhaps we will go back to it being wonderful like in the 60s and 70s
Poverty in Glasgow
I doubt it happens so suddenly but rather it is an accumulation of years of opulence, by comparison to other countries UK is not poor put it this way.
Workplace H&S for the wealthiest? Are you saying UK will overnight turn into a 3rd world nation?
Poverty in Glasgow? How many Labour govts have they gone through? 🙄
Since the Norwegian fishermen have tariff-free access to the EU I imagine they are wetting themselves laughing at the Little Englanders' "warning shot".
Poverty in Glasgow? How many Labour govts have they gone through?
The point being, that's what it was like pre-EU - check the dates. We've done very nicely out of our EU membership.
I was born in 1971 in Glasgow and I don't really remember the slums. But I knew plenty who did and we don't want to start turning the clock back thank you.
Brexit will do nothing positive for this country that we couldn't have done while in the EU.
The debate smacks of "What did the EU ever do for use"?
"Well yes but apart from.........."
Since the Norwegian fishermen have tariff-free access to the EU I imagine they are wetting themselves laughing at the Little Englanders' "warning shot".
Actually, they don't.
2% on raw fish, 13% if processed (eg smoked).
One of the areas where Norway is worse off than our current status (although I except they might find it easier than us if our new status is worse than their current one).
for opinion polls 85% of people voted for manifestos ending freedom of movemnet, membership of the single market and an exit of the customs union. Something like 594 MPs out of 650. Corbyn sacked the Shadow Cabinet members who voted for the (heavily defeated) "soft Brexit" amendments.
We know all that already. Thanks. Most people in Britain oppose the approach on this matter proposed by the leaders of both main parties. And your point is? That our democracy is flawed? That there is a lack of politcial leadership that makes any sense economically and politically, and listens to the "will of the people?" The public are once gain ahead of the leaders of the parties on this… and there appears no way for their "will" to change our course. Tories will play some interesting power games at the top, and Labour will face rebellions at conference, but nothing that will pass the final say back to the people about accepting an exit deal, or mitigate/improve/soften our exit, er, plan.
Little Britain
Ken Clarke was on the radio earlier scoffing about 'absurd' demands for pay rises in the public sector and saying "it won't just be nurses that come out for a pay rise, they'll all be at it". He's a big fat guffawing twunt who has done very nicely out of his long-term lobbying arrangement with BAT.
But he did make one very acid point that indicates what is likely to happen next. He basically said real-time deflation of wages in the public sector was effectively a punishment for the Brexit vote.
That's what this Brexit nonsense is really going to result in - damage to the incomes of anyone but the mega-rich and a bonfire of employment legislation in the name of 'being competitive in the international arena'.
Idiotic result of an idiotic vote for an idiotic notion voted for by idiots. ****ing brilliant.
Aside; I've never noticed this before but Somalia looks like a prostrate massager
in the name of 'being competitive in the international arena'.
Which Britain won't be as Europe will make sure that Britain can't profit from fiscal and social dumping, the US is on its own protectionist trip, and there aren't many countries that will find trading with even a devalued Britain more attractive than continuing with their current trading partners.
Bonfire of employment legislation ???
Some folk really are finding it tough to get past the denial phase...what's this imaginary new will of the people. Boo...it's all gone away. Unlikely however, nice that might be. Two votes, one detect, the other indirect. Same result. Get over it....
That post does not make a lot of sense, thm, on several possible levels 🙂
Never mind....
Get over it....
Not gonna happen
the youth voted overwhelmingly to remain.
Their opinion hasn't changed, the way older remainers have, (according to the pollsters)
They won't forget how the oldies shafted them, everything bad will now be blamed on Brexit (and we all know that Brexit will be fairly shit for everyone), whether it's to blame or not, a generation will grow old knowing that the hard right of the Tories, the press and screwed them over to feed the egos of idiots like Gove, Johnson, Farage etc.
Brexit has divided the country for the next few decades and it hasn't even happened yet
Get over it....
Farage never did.
This is a fight for the future of the UK for those who are not fortunate to have portfolios of investments and rental properties, who have no meaningful pension provisions and are being faced with the prospect of more cuts, fees and pain because a bunch of older idiots dont want to lose face.
Get over it....
Why? What is to be gained by failing to call for sanity to return? Our current direction is foolhardy in the extreme.
Good grief mike.....and we thought it was Brexshiteers who were prone to exaggeration!
Kimbers, if everything that is bad is now blamed on Brexshit then it merely proves the point about how silly the whole debate has become. QED.
