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Are the majority of people really in a financial position to weather any Brexit turmoil, even if it’s relatively mild there’s a lot of people “just about managing” out there.
The level of personal debt is likely to bring the whole thing crashing down even before Brexit is taken into consideration. Even a minor economic shock is likely to trigger something quite spectacular.
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I take it these Dutch and Belgian ports have managed to prepare in advance
The Netherlands has hired 1000 extra customs officials in preparation for the disruption we look like inflicting on them. I haven't looked into infrastructure but Ireland, Holland and Denmark all look like they've taken the impacts of this shitshow more seriously than the instigators of it.
I'm about to email my mp. Can anyone tell me which was more legally binding ., the chequers deal which was signed by our government or the referendum?
They are both equally legally binding. ie not at all.
One because it is a proposal, not a deal, and the other because it was an advisory referendum.
The only thing which is legally binding at present is no deal, thanks to our enthusiastic invoking of A50.
The company I work for hosted a UKIP representative to give a talk before the referendum, I think on the basis that leaving would shaft our European competitors, gonna be interesting to see how it pans out for us ..
Can you elaborate on why?
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/10/gov-makes-plans-charter-ships-wake-no-deal-brexit/
Wooooooooo, it's time for the Atlantic Convoy again!
I love the fact that the cabinet received this news with "disbelief".
It's going to be like the Berlin blockade. The Yanks will have to fly over and drop supplies of chlorinated chicken.
Mind you, I saw Jacob Rees Mogg on the telly earlier suggesting that there wouldn't be a problem because our borders would be open to all incoming freight.
I've been away for a while. Is it worth taking the time to catch up with this thread?
Mind you, I saw Jacob Rees Mogg on the telly earlier suggesting that there wouldn’t be a problem because our borders would be open to all incoming freight.
I'm sure that will go down well with the WTO he likes to harp on about.
So we won't be tariffing anything coming in from the EU, but they will be tariffing our goods? That's going to do the economy a world of good.
Could someone give me a brief run down of deadlines, wasnt something bad supposed to happen last thursday without an agreement. How long before the hard core brexitiers have to shit or get off the pot?
What time is The Lesser She-Elephant going in to face the knives?
Cabinet has broken for, uh, half term or something hasn't it? So no more talks.
1922 Committee meeting tomorrow. That should be interesting. Reckon May will be deposed by the end of the week.
1922 Committee meeting tomorrow
Thought the dancing queen was going to that one tonight? Reuters reports that (the Sunday Times claims) they've already got 46 letters so only need 2 more to trigger a couple of weeks of political paralysis, ideal when we've got so much time to play with.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they leave her there because there’s no alternative
Reuters reports that (the Sunday Times claims) they’ve already got 46 letters so only need 2 more to trigger a couple of weeks of political paralysis, ideal when we’ve got so much time to play with.
Aye another rag reports she has some shill letters from loyal mp's (****ing loyal used in the same sentence as MP pmsl) in there also that will be retracted in case it gets a wee bit too close to the magic number
just get someone to stand at the next snap election...in fact vote me in to power at the next snap election, ill end Brexit in half an hour Monday morning even if I do piss off half the ****ing country
Oh and bear in mind that when the Nasties trumpet private capital taking on gaps left by austerity, this lot is what they mean. Read any one of these stories and you get the picture.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/rogue-landlords
Funny isn’t it? How there is not a single rogue landlord on the so-called ‘register’ of rogue landlords. And how even the admission that the list was empty was initially refused when requested by a FoI request. This is what the likes of Liam Fox are wetting their pants over. Rich mates of theirs getting lined up to fleece the less well-off.
The fines and prosecutions are derisory and can be written off as ‘business expenses’ incurred in ‘the course of doing business’ for some of these buggers with their £30m property portfolios keeping tenants in squalor. This is the very essence of Toryism.
So if there IS a leadership contest - what will happen? Will anyone run with a promise to revoke A50 or go full Norway?
So if there IS a leadership contest – what will happen? Will anyone run with a promise to revoke A50 or go full Norway?
Errr...this is a Tory leadership contest we're talking about. They're more likely to go full ******, to paraphrase Tropic Thunder.
Will anyone run with a promise to revoke A50 or go full Norway
Norway has a hard border... not an option under good Friday. Was a good starting framework 2 years ago....
Just seen on Sky news (can’t do kinky) there’s gonna be no change, qu’elle surprise
There’s increasing pressure on the PM to respond to the realisation that either Hard Brexit or Chequers will leave the Conservatives’ core middle class supporters worse off financially. Remember what happened to the party’s grassroots support when the pound dropped out of the ERM?
Its a good job that Labour has a clever technocrat at the helm, otherwise we’d be totally screwed.
Don't forget these are the 'easiest negotiations in history'. It probably means they could wrap them up by the middle of next week if they could be arsed.
No Tory is going to take on the "job" its all theatre.
The Brexiteers arguments are looking very shoddy - the formerly disgraced former nonentity Liam Fox hopefully looks like the corrupt clown that he is. Davis can’t work a five day week (or seemingly stay sober for committee meetings), JRM recycles soundbites and patently isn’t up to the intellectual challenge of being leader. Even the DM has turned on Johnson, Gove, IDS and Grayling.
If only my parents had taken up their option of an overseas passport, I’d be watching with amusement. Instead, I’m digesting emails from my MP who took time out from his laptop ****ing sessions to tell me that he’s doing all that he can to ensure that my stepson has insulin in April, but he can’t make promises.
Maybe I should make use of my dual nationality.
India is looking positive compared to UK...
Sodding Siberia is looking preferable to the UK......
No Tory is going to take on the “job” its all theatre.
Precisely . As much as I hate to use phrases like 'poisoned chalice' I don't think even the most rabid of the Conservatives are stupid enough to to intervine before anything has happened ... They look after themselves.
May will bear the cross of brexit unless she resigns. Then one of her potato shaped colleagues will step in after the dirty work is done.
Johnson, Gove, IDS and Grayling
You couldn't construct even one half-decent human out the constituent parts of that lot.
You couldn’t construct even one half-decent human out the constituent parts of that lot.
Although it would be good fun trying - mixing up all the body parts and coming out with some even more freakish people that you started with.
'Although it would be good fun trying – mixing up all the body parts and coming out with some even more freakish people that you started with.'
All sounds a bit Saudi consulate to me......
Meanwhile - Russia blocks UK's post-Brexit tariff proposal at WTO
Damn those unelected foreign bureaucrats at the WTO dictating to us what we can do!
Don't think it was just Russia that blocked the WTO proposal.
Easiest deal in history anyone.
The other stories in the link are not much better either!EDIT. Seems you get different add-on stories each time you follow a link. These are the other 2 good news Brexit stories I was on about:
It just keeps on giving. Really depressing.
Have we discussed You're Fired Sugar suggesting that our lead Brexit politicians should be held more accountable for their lies?
If only we had "perverted the course of democracy"
Don’t think it was just Russia that blocked the WTO proposal.
No one is surprised.
Well, apart from those who believed the "simply revert to WTO rules" bullshit… and those people are really very rare… many just pretended that it meant something… just like all the other deceits… lots of people know it's all bullshit, but ultimately don't care… because… foreigners.
We did the "WTO fallback deal" deceit to death earlier in this thread. Even the backers of such nonsense on here were clearly just using it for cover… no one buys it.
I still cannot belief the level of lies, hubris and deceit from the tories.
Still refusing an backstop to the NI issue - a principle agree a while back that allowed talks to continue. Now they want to renege on this promise. Of course the EU want it all wrapped up legally watertight given the public statements from such weasels as Gove that they will agree it all now and repudiate it later.
Jeepers its a gawdawful mess!
None of the Haulage/Customs stuff is a surprise to anyone either. Except to certain senior politicans, and the handful of blinkered followers they have. But they're still presented in the media as mainstream opinion… partly because the "referendum" is painted as a mandate for their edge of reality nonsense, and partly because they help sell papers and clicks.
One thing becoming clearer to me is that I could personally really suffer from the fallout. An increasingly likely no deal brexit would probably mean my status in Germany would be illegal, and I would not be able to work. I always thought some sort of deal would be done, even if it really suited nobody, but by pandering to the raving loons we are now facing down an extreme brexit where 100s of 000's could suffer with immediate effect, never mind what will happen in the long term.
Who wants to list the "small number" of trading partners who have objected? Let's start with some small players… USA, China, Russia, Japan… How about working out what percentage of our goods traded they make up? How about adding that to the percentage of trade we do with the EU? Now take that away from 100. Is the answer more than 5%?
I doubt it.
Oh, and that's just for goods. Now, how about services… "ability to trade independently" is ignoring all that … isn't it.
I could be badly impacted too. My wife is English but living in France. I registered the wedding and kids with French consulate when living in the UK so hopefully it will be fine.
That's a bit like the project that is 90% done, just not mentioning it's the last 10% that is impossible
Accept it's more like 5% done. 95% difficult to do.
"Lots" of counties haven't objected to our schedules, because they are in the EU (a separate problem) or they are tiny.
All our major trading partners (I've not done the maths, but I'm happy with a 95%+ of goods traded guess) are either blocking our WTO schedules, or staring down our "threats" to revert to WTO schedules we don't even have agreed as we Leave their trading block. Happy days.
"This was expected and does not impact on our ability to trade independently."
Now, services, come March, if we crash out of the Single Market, irrespective of what happens as regards goods at the WTO, where do we stand on services? A "small" issue seemingly being ignored by the department that Liam Fox laughably leads. What a prize ___.
I could move to the US. I wonder which would end up worse?
Tuesday, 6 June 1944 was known as D-Day
The Mash Report just referred to March 29, 2019 as bidet. I think.
I any one aware of this
the deadline is tonight.
Havung just browsed the now poor duty free prices will brexit mean we get that back 😉
Is that a positive? What do I win?
Grief just watched piers morgan on good moaning - ‘stick it up your Juncker we’re going to no deal’
The’re ****ing crazy.
Well, the word has got out that the deal was to include rEU citizens resident in the UK keeping their rights to vote in local elections etc. And UK citizens resident in rEU countries likewise. Eminently sensible. Obviously this hasn't gone down well with the, let's face it, English nationalist anti foreigner small but noisey fringe of the Conservatives… you could call them "undemocrats", if you were of the playground politics persuasion…
Ohh they’ll love that.
I’m still deciding which side of the Channel to be sat on for B-Day TBH.
Oh, and, apparently, the EU negotiators were against this idea (as many rEU countries don't currently allow any 3rd country nationals to vote, unlike our arrangements with Commonwealth countries etc) and it's Tory MPs, MEPs, and ministers that have pushed hard for this to be included (rightly I'd argue) to prevent UK peeps in rEU countries becoming further disenfranchised … only for people in their own party to cry betrayal … yet again.
eu nationals in the UK can only vote in council euro and scottish and welsh parliament elections - not westminster
this is why EU nationals were denied the vote in the brexit referendum as it was done using westminster lists but EU nationals voted in the scottish referendum as that used holyrood lists
That's why I said "local elections etc".
Oh, and the referendum excluding those most effected by any move to leave the EU was as "undemocrat" as you can get, wasn't it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46016359
<sighs>
Should be good for buying 40-45 pence-worth of goods shortly after the emergency budget, though.
Il add those coins to the Brexit positives list, just next to the blue passport. That is a 100 % increase
They should make it a 52p coin.
It'll disappoint the hard liners - they probably want a return to proper british money, none of this new fangled decimal rubbish. They voted for shillings, crowns and florins not a new 50p!
Florins weren't really used at the latest point that the Brexiteers voted for. The date of the non-existent 'golden age' (as defined by the Brexies) ending can be tacked down exactly to 22/06/48.
So, by that logic and the timing, we should all be happy that we are going back to a standard of life that is still impacted heavily by rationing, heavily affected by the fallout from war and where the population stand a large chance of death by malnourishment and preventable disease?
I would suggest 1958 as the year (1948 is too early for reason above). Women knew their place and we were not overrun with dirty foreigners. Matches with the Make America Great Again date, the "Again" being around that time for the same reasons.
So, by that logic and the timing, we should all be happy that we are going back to a standard of life that is still impacted heavily by rationing, heavily affected by the fallout from war and where the population stand a large chance of death by malnourishment and preventable disease?
Yep, because (and get this - this is the real secret) the 'golden age' never really existed - shhhhhh, don't tell anyone.
Thankfully my Dad (born 1942) is resolutely realistic about the late forties and the fifties. As he said just after the referendum "it is a vote for 'the good old days' that a lot of the people who are voting for it didn't live through. There were no 'good old days', they were just different, and there was a lot that wasn't good - teachers allowed to beat kids up in schools, smog so bad just walking down the street was a lottery, rationing, perpetual cold in the winter - the list goes on...."
But, blue passports........
the ‘golden age’ never really existed - shhhhhh, don’t tell anyone.
What about when we ruled the waves? When the darkies welcomed our glorious occupation and doffed their caps accordingly as we pillaged their natural resources? Where the poor could be horsewhipped for impertinence to their betters?
Thats where we're headed back to, right?
So, by that logic and the timing, we should all be happy that we are going back to a standard of life that is still impacted heavily by rationing, heavily affected by the fallout from war and where the population stand a large chance of death by malnourishment and preventable disease?
Not all all of us. It will be a requirement that 52% of the population are happy with this and nothing should ever need to change because leave means leave and you remainers lost. Get over it....
Silly me. Sorry sir, I doff my cap to you and will scurry off back to my workhouse as soon as I finish shining your shoes.
Yep, because (and get this – this is the real secret) the ‘golden age’ never really existed – shhhhhh, don’t tell anyone.
All depends what you consider the pro and cons of any age to be. If you really don't want foreigners in the country (plus like a bit of sexual and racial discrimination) then the 50's were a golden age. Rationing was over and prosperity as starting. Was all going well until that equality and rights stuff started to come along in the along in the 60's and 70's
There were no ‘good old days’, they were just different
There were good old days, for most people - the days when you were young, usually. Almost every older person wishes for the days when they were young. And for most oldies now that's pre EU or at least early days of it.
Ahh, nostalgia for the good old days...in my father's time, it meant kids at school with no shoes, whilst in mine we'd prospered so some of the poor kids wore worn-down, hand-me-down footie boots.
52% of the population are happy
Its not even 52% of the population, only 52% of those were eligible to vote and could be arsed turning up
roughly 26% of the UK population are going to damage the economy for decades to come, damage us culturally, probably irreparably and in all likelihood lead to the permanent break up of the UK if the current course is held
and most of them are not happy with whats going on, as it's too fast, slow, hard, soft, conciliatory, brinkmanship and the right wrong colour.
About 37% actually (of the electorate at that time), but still ignorant jingoistic ****wits for the most part. Some were merely deluded and/or naive of course.
having spoken to a few Brexiteers, you do have to wonder how patriotic they are. I get the feeling that a lot is English nationalism, to hell with the UK. If Scotland, NI leave so what.
There were good old days, for most people – the days when you were young, usually. Almost every older person wishes for the days when they were young. And for most oldies now that’s pre EU or at least early days of it.
All depends what you consider the pro and cons of any age to be. If you really don’t want foreigners in the country (plus like a bit of sexual and racial discrimination) then the 50’s were a golden age. Rationing was over and prosperity as starting. Was all going well until that equality and rights stuff started to come along in the along in the 60’s and 70’s
Yeah but folk would still still have been moaning about this, that and the other then as well as now. And it would have been someone else’s fault then too. Miserable ****ers being fed a diet of ‘gone to the dogs’ tripe by the likes of the Fail. Depressing, really.
In similar news, the patriotic DUP, sorry KKK appear to be hitting the campaign trail early:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46011779
Surely there should be two commemorative coins, one pro, one anti, to represent the 50-50 nature of the vote and the divided nation we are left with.
Better still the two sides could be "**** brexit" vs a unicorn.